smotherb Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I think I am reading that if they do not tax it then it is illegal. If they establish a tax on it, then it will be legal - right? Yes, do you think alcohol and tobacco would be legal if there was not a tax on them? The use of these products causes other problematic issues. Legalizing vices through taxation seems to be the preferred method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triplebank999 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 i don't know why they don't also tax women make up products and hair products...they are so popular right now... these products are like what cigs n alky is to men... whats fair in love n war hehe They are taxed already, do you think they are exempted from VAT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triplebank999 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Shisha is already banned in Thailand!!! So now they plan to tax an illegal activity. I have never heard of anything so stupid! When it's regulated under the law, which is what the proposal is, then the government will be able to be tax it. Not so stupid really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triplebank999 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I think I am reading that if they do not tax it then it is illegal. If they establish a tax on it, then it will be legal - right? No, if it is regulated under the law it will then be legal and taxable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triplebank999 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Neither product is currently registered under any Thai laws, officials said.<snip> Officials said that despite its widespread use, shisha is in fact illegal Anyone else notice a contradiction here? It is illegal by virtue of the fact that it's importation is illegal, so no contradiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Anybody who has not seen the Yes, Prime Minister episode entitled the Smoke Screen should take the time to watch it. Sir Humphrey's argument that tobacco tax revenue exceeds the medical costs so smokers are heroes dying for their country is classic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredNL Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I would say: "Legalise Marihuana too !!!" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I was already missing the 'thainess' aspect on this subject: the only difference between 'legal' and 'illegal' is when we can put a price tag to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPG Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Shisha is already banned in Thailand!!! So now they plan to tax an illegal activity. I have never heard of anything so stupid! You've never heard of an illegal substance called Marijuana that is now legal in many countries for the sole purpose of collecting taxes? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPG Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I think I am reading that if they do not tax it then it is illegal. If they establish a tax on it, then it will be legal - right? That is exactly what the article states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediaWatcher Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 ebean001, on 02 Sept 2014 - 09:48, said:I think I am reading that if they do not tax it then it is illegal. If they establish a tax on it, then it will be legal - right? I'd have thought there was VAT already, so what will they be taxing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediaWatcher Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 jacksam, on 02 Sept 2014 - 11:06, said: misterphil, on 02 Sept 2014 - 09:35, said:Shisha, the fastest way to catch herpes in Thailand. What are u smoking. I assume your rferring to herpes simplex 1. Or are u smoking it with the old fella. and why are you questioning him...I think most of us understood it as herpes simplex..... it is still herpes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediaWatcher Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Triplebank999, on 02 Sept 2014 - 12:15, said: Tywais, on 02 Sept 2014 - 09:51, said: QuoteNeither product is currently registered under any Thai laws, officials said.<snip> Officials said that despite its widespread use, shisha is in fact illegal Anyone else notice a contradiction here? It is illegal by virtue of the fact that it's importation is illegal, so no contradiction. Interesting, so what law prohibits the importation and why are they passed by customs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toooa Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 ban everything I say...I personally won't be happy until everyone's a criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbeam1 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Shisha is already banned in Thailand!!! So now they plan to tax an illegal activity. I have never heard of anything so stupid! Ah but if you read the post again, you will see where catch22 comes in to play. They intend to legalise it first. They need the money. Don't be to suprised to find they legalise prostitution next. jb1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Yim Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I guess the costs of the popularist policies charm offensive and massive pay awards to the public sector have to be met one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Aleman Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 This is discriminatory targeting , singling out just a few so, - get em' all with a tax on toilet tissue ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 What part of e-juices they want to tax ? Propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin or food flavorings ? It doesn't contain any tobacco. If nicotine is added, I suppose that could be taxed as a pharmaceutical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retell Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 This is discriminatory targeting , singling out just a few so, - get em' all with a tax on toilet tissue !Look at the receipt it has tax allready Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanlic Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Probably they were going to introduce a fresh air tax in Bangkok but then realised there isn't any so they changed it to Shisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeeos Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Years ago, in the US,, when pot was still illegal in all the States,, The Feds issued a Federal, "Marijuana tax stamp" that DIDN'T make pot legal,, but what it DID do?... the penalty for selling pot WITHOUT the tax stamp, was MORE than for selling the pot itself!!! Many avid stamp collectors where of course hit up when they purchased the stamps for their collections,, I mean, WHY would you need the stamp, if you weren't selling pot?.... that was the reasoning anyway,,,, lolol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 e cigs should not be taxed since they can help smokers quit and should be viewed in a similar way to the nicotine patch. e cigs are also a godsend for those non-smokers in close proximity, improving their health and the freshness of their clothes and hair. by all means tax shisha as it is basically a high dose cig delivery system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retell Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 e cigs should not be taxed since they can help smokers quit and should be viewed in a similar way to the nicotine patch. e cigs are also a godsend for those non-smokers in close proximity, improving their health and the freshness of their clothes and hair. by all means tax shisha as it is basically a high dose cig delivery system. You really think those nicotine patches , gum etc are tax free ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomyumchai Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Shisha is already banned in Thailand!!! So now they plan to tax an illegal activity. I have never heard of anything so stupid! yes you have, its called the 'barfine' 1 of the biggest taxes out there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunken Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 e cigs should not be taxed since they can help smokers quit and should be viewed in a similar way to the nicotine patch. e cigs are also a godsend for those non-smokers in close proximity, improving their health and the freshness of their clothes and hair. by all means tax shisha as it is basically a high dose cig delivery system. You really think those nicotine patches , gum etc are tax free ???? No they're not VAT free. Reading the Op and interpreting what is not put very clearly, they are considering an excise tax on shisha & e-cigs. As they are currently in a 'grey area' legally it would be a good idea to allow them and tax the tobacco in shisha & the nicotine in some of the e-cigs' liquids. They would both be subject to VAT as well. I think it is a positive move (being a smoker). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moto77 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) Shisha is already banned in Thailand!!! So now they plan to tax an illegal activity. I have never heard of anything so stupid! Did you actually read it? They said that they plan to change the law to make it legal and then regulate and tax it. Edited September 2, 2014 by moto77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Neither product is currently registered under any Thai laws, officials said.<snip> Officials said that despite its widespread use, shisha is in fact illegal Anyone else notice a contradiction here? Not really. It's the old principle that "anything that is not expressly permitted is forbidden". It used to be the rule in the old Soviet Union and the Communist states of Eastern Europe I believe. I guess it still applies in a great many countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mok199 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 squeeze squeeze..or....beep beep.....sawadee ( ton-O-crap) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksam Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 jacksam, on 02 Sept 2014 - 11:06, said: misterphil, on 02 Sept 2014 - 09:35, said:Shisha, the fastest way to catch herpes in Thailand. What are u smoking. I assume your rferring to herpes simplex 1. Or are u smoking it with the old fella. and why are you questioning him...I think most of us understood it as herpes simplex..... it is still herpes.[/ Maybe because I am a retired doctor. Herpes simplex 1. Otherwise know as cold sores is a far cry from the debilitating virus know as herpes simplex 2 or genital herpes. Some people exposed to it meaning have it, can be lucky and have symptons that may dissapear over time. Some sadly do no. You cannot contract this virus by sharing oral exchange. . quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codesh Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I don't really get all the different approaches to nicotine depending on its delivery system. It's a highly addictive drug. Harder to quit than heroin for many people. So just tax nicotine - then anything you put it in - shisha or e-cigs or gum or whatever helps make money that can be spent on something useful - like clinics for addicts. And I don't want to punish nicotine addicts financially - but I like it if every thing with nicotine is too expensive for young people to develop the addiction while they are impressionable. Trying to find a fair point between these 2 different aims isn't easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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