Thai authorities intensify laws on child pornography

[eldragon]

Famous last words of an unwilling sex criminal...

I will concede there are some university aged girls here that look well below their age. But if you take a closer look at these girls in the bar, try to see below the makeup and the sexy outfits, you'll find there's more of em out there than you'd previously thought. And you'll notice em everywhere. It's kinda like MSG: once you know it's in the food, you taste it all the time.

LOL, no... it's about perception.

Some people will just estimate a girl's age much lower than she really is.

Once two older British "ladies" on a baht bus lectured me on how "disgusting" it was for them to see me (40 year old man of 70Kg at the time) together with my Thai GF which was way too young for me as they implied.

They were shocked to learn my GF was 32 at the time and the mother of three children.

That probably had more to do with western women thinking we're all pigs here and- more importantly- seeking out any reason to begin an argument. Also, 8 years is still a big deal for many people in the west. When I go home, the first thing that strikes me is guys dating women that look older than they do (but in fact are probably the same age or slightly younger).

Getting back to the issue at hand though, just consider this: nearly every law in TH is bendable provided you know the right people and/or have enough money. So why would the Thais stop at underage prostitution?

You also gotta consider the fact that these girls drop out after grade 9 and many times want to make what to them is big money by working at the bars.

Edited September 15, 2015 by eldragon

[manarak]

8 years is still a big deal for many people in the west. When I go home, the first thing that strikes me is guys dating women that look older than they do (but in fact are probably the same age or slightly younger).

Well, I am so glad that this is their problem and not mine!

Getting back to the issue at hand though, just consider this: nearly every law in TH is bendable provided you know the right people and/or have enough money. So why would the Thais stop at underage prostitution?

Stop doing what? Of course the Law is bendable. It is nearly everywhere in the world, just depends on the amount of $$$. What is your point?

[eldragon]

8 years is still a big deal for many people in the west. When I go home, the first thing that strikes me is guys dating women that look older than they do (but in fact are probably the same age or slightly younger).

Well, I am so glad that this is their problem and not mine!

Getting back to the issue at hand though, just consider this: nearly every law in TH is bendable provided you know the right people and/or have enough money. So why would the Thais stop at underage prostitution?

Stop doing what? Of course the Law is bendable. It is nearly everywhere in the world, just depends on the amount of $$$. What is your point?

That there are many underage girls working at the bars in TH. I thought we were on the same thread.

[manarak]

8 years is still a big deal for many people in the west. When I go home, the first thing that strikes me is guys dating women that look older than they do (but in fact are probably the same age or slightly younger).

Well, I am so glad that this is their problem and not mine!

Getting back to the issue at hand though, just consider this: nearly every law in TH is bendable provided you know the right people and/or have enough money. So why would the Thais stop at underage prostitution?

Stop doing what? Of course the Law is bendable. It is nearly everywhere in the world, just depends on the amount of $$$. What is your point?

That there are many underage girls working at the bars in TH. I thought we were on the same thread.

LOL, ok, here you go: no, there are not many, I think there are maybe 1 in 100 (as far as the tourist areas are concerned) and I don't consider that to be "many".

Edited September 15, 2015 by manarak

[lostoday]

Are you asking whether you have been watching child porn? I know I haven't but it certainly sounds like you have!

The video was linked on Thai Visa and it is college age students not children. YOU are the sick one.

You are telling me that there is a video of a mathayom aged boy jerking off in the face of a girl linked by Thaivisa and I am sick for questioning that? ALL mathayom aged boys are UNDER AGE!

NO they are not UNDERAGE unless you consider 18 underage. Perhaps you should check your knowledge of Thailand school ages, things Thai and things linked on Thai Visa before commenting.

[BSJ]

A lot of the teenage girl's have been at it in the village on a regular basis so they are well run in when the get to the tourist areas.

With fake ID they can fool a lot of guys into thinking their as old as their fake ID says!

[lostoday]

That there are many underage girls working at the bars in TH. I thought we were on the same thread.

LOL, ok, here you go: no, there are not many, I think there are maybe 1 in 100 (as far as the tourist areas are concerned) and I don't consider that to be "many".

Don't let them troll you. First they will change the topic from porn to working in a bar/anyplace and then to you being with any woman younger than yourself. They want to raise the age of consent to apply to all women younger than the male so a 60 year old male would be legally bound to be with a woman 60 years of age or over.

[lostoday]

A lot of the teenage girl's have been at it in the village on a regular basis so they are well run in when the get to the tourist areas.

With fake ID they can fool a lot of guys into thinking their as old as their fake ID says!

BS as the ID's are checked by security at the hotels.

[eldragon]

A lot of the teenage girl's have been at it in the village on a regular basis so they are well run in when the get to the tourist areas.

With fake ID they can fool a lot of guys into thinking their as old as their fake ID says!

BS as the ID's are checked by security at the hotels.

Never heard an issue with fake IDs here. But I'd never trust hotel staff anywhere that welcomed these girls would be on top of it or even care what goes on in the rooms.

[lostoday]

A lot of the teenage girl's have been at it in the village on a regular basis so they are well run in when the get to the tourist areas.

With fake ID they can fool a lot of guys into thinking their as old as their fake ID says!

BS as the ID's are checked by security at the hotels.

Never heard an issue with fake IDs here. But I'd never trust hotel staff anywhere that welcomed these girls would be on top of it or even care what goes on in the rooms.

After you have spent some time in Thailand you'll realize that hotel security at most hotels do a decent job of collecting and verifying ID cards of the local women. Older sisters ID's can be a problem as can NGO workers who think they can tell a humans age from analysis of teeth.

Edited September 15, 2015 by lostoday

[eldragon]

8 years is still a big deal for many people in the west. When I go home, the first thing that strikes me is guys dating women that look older than they do (but in fact are probably the same age or slightly younger).

Well, I am so glad that this is their problem and not mine!

Getting back to the issue at hand though, just consider this: nearly every law in TH is bendable provided you know the right people and/or have enough money. So why would the Thais stop at underage prostitution?

Stop doing what? Of course the Law is bendable. It is nearly everywhere in the world, just depends on the amount of $$$. What is your point?

That there are many underage girls working at the bars in TH. I thought we were on the same thread.

LOL, ok, here you go: no, there are not many, I think there are maybe 1 in 100 (as far as the tourist areas are concerned) and I don't consider that to be "many".

I guess we'll have to disagree about that until we run through these places and check IDs. But hopefully we can agree one should employ caution and a bit of skepticism when dealing with young girls that seem close to the legal limit.

[eldragon]

A lot of the teenage girl's have been at it in the village on a regular basis so they are well run in when the get to the tourist areas.

With fake ID they can fool a lot of guys into thinking their as old as their fake ID says!

BS as the ID's are checked by security at the hotels.

Never heard an issue with fake IDs here. But I'd never trust hotel staff anywhere that welcomed these girls would be on top of it or even care what goes on in the rooms.

After you have spent some time in Thailand you'll realize that hotel security at most hotels do a decent job of collecting and verifying ID cards of the local women. Older sisters ID's can be a problem as can NGO workers who think they can tell a humans age from analysis of teeth.

Are you joking? Have you ever been in a short-time hotel? I've never known one to check IDs. I wouldn't put my trust in em, that's for sure. I also wouldn't trust that anyone connected to the sex industry here doesn't take money to look the other way. Often times- if not all the time- underage women are connected to very powerful people, so most people keep their mouth shut when they see em.

[lostoday]

Never heard an issue with fake IDs here. But I'd never trust hotel staff anywhere that welcomed these girls would be on top of it or even care what goes on in the rooms.

After you have spent some time in Thailand you'll realize that hotel security at most hotels do a decent job of collecting and verifying ID cards of the local women. Older sisters ID's can be a problem as can NGO workers who think they can tell a humans age from analysis of teeth.

Are you joking? Have you ever been in a short-time hotel? I've never known one to check IDs. I wouldn't put my trust in em, that's for sure. I also wouldn't trust that anyone connected to the sex industry here doesn't take money to look the other way. Often times- if not all the time- underage women are connected to very powerful people, so most people keep their mouth shut when they see em.

BS. I live in Thailand. The two biggest girl friendly hotels in Thailand are the Nana and Lek and they both do a good job of checking ID's. Thai women are Thai women of any age and not connected to anyone. You spend too much time at the movies.

The topic is porn. How do you check the age on an actor before you buy the video or watch it on the INTERNET?

Edited September 16, 2015 by lostoday

[eldragon]

That there are many underage girls working at the bars in TH. I thought we were on the same thread.

LOL, ok, here you go: no, there are not many, I think there are maybe 1 in 100 (as far as the tourist areas are concerned) and I don't consider that to be "many".

Don't let them troll you. First they will change the topic from porn to working in a bar/anyplace and then to you being with any woman younger than yourself. They want to raise the age of consent to apply to all women younger than the male so a 60 year old male would be legally bound to be with a woman 60 years of age or over.

Ha ha. Nice try. Personally speaking, I could care less what anyone does at these places. Young girls are not my thing, but if a guy wants to shag a girl that's a couple years under the legal limit, then no big deal, provided there is zero coercion. I wanted to sleep with older women when I was 14, so whatever. The part that concerns me is when johns get more (or is it less?) than they bargained for and commit sex crimes without knowing it.

[eldragon]

Never heard an issue with fake IDs here. But I'd never trust hotel staff anywhere that welcomed these girls would be on top of it or even care what goes on in the rooms.

After you have spent some time in Thailand you'll realize that hotel security at most hotels do a decent job of collecting and verifying ID cards of the local women. Older sisters ID's can be a problem as can NGO workers who think they can tell a humans age from analysis of teeth.

Are you joking? Have you ever been in a short-time hotel? I've never known one to check IDs. I wouldn't put my trust in em, that's for sure. I also wouldn't trust that anyone connected to the sex industry here doesn't take money to look the other way. Often times- if not all the time- underage women are connected to very powerful people, so most people keep their mouth shut when they see em.

BS. I live in Thailand. The two biggest girl friendly hotels in Thailand are the Nana and Lek and they both do a good job of checking ID's. Thai women are Thai women of any age and not connected to anyone. You spend too much time at the movies.

Art imitates life.

[JeffreyO]

A lot of the teenage girl's have been at it in the village on a regular basis so they are well run in when the get to the tourist areas.

With fake ID they can fool a lot of guys into thinking their as old as their fake ID says!

BS as the ID's are checked by security at the hotels.

What!? Are you kidding me? I just went on a trip to Kuala Lumpur with my wife and her cousin. Considering she's a general manager of a five star hotel in Pattaya we spent a good amount of time on this topic. They do NOT check the iD's of girls that come in with men if their name isn't on the room. You can't ask for hte ID of every girl that walks into your hotel. That's like checking ID at a bar. It's illegal here in Thailand.

Are you completely ignorant of local law or just choose ignorance?

I could see them doing this at the shadier, short stay hotels but the better question is, if there's no problem with underage girls selling themselves why are they bothering to check ID's? Your argument shoots yourself in the foot regarding the "There aren't any underage working girls" statement.

Edited September 16, 2015 by JeffreyO

[Assurancetourix]

I find it interesting ot find so many people here talking about how sick this is when so many of the people on this forum browse the "Goods" in Pattaya or Soi Cowboy every night, and I'm not talking about DVD's.

Many of those girls are underage too, even if they don't tell you.

Pattaya is a big city and Soi Cowboy has many bars. Have you visited them all to be able to speak with such authority on the presence of children working there?

I've never seen a child working in either of those places but if I did I would inform the authorities. Why didn't you?

You have never seen because you don't want to look at .

Soi Cowboy in Bangkok and Pattaya for farang are a drop of water in the sea if you compare to all the country ...

If you can enter a karaoke in the deep Issan or deep south , or deep north , even deep Bangkok where you will never go , you will see a lot of underage girls who are coming from Cambodia , Lao , sometimes Vietnam and also Thailand .

Open your eyes !!

Visit the dark side of Thailand ;

it's not beautiful

[lostoday]

Don't let them troll you. First they will change the topic from porn to working in a bar/anyplace and then to you being with any woman younger than yourself. They want to raise the age of consent to apply to all women younger than the male so a 60 year old male would be legally bound to be with a woman 60 years of age or over.

Ha ha. Nice try. Personally speaking, I could care less what anyone does at these places. Young girls are not my thing, but if a guy wants to shag a girl that's a couple years under the legal limit, then no big deal, provided there is zero coercion. I wanted to sleep with older women when I was 14, so whatever. The part that concerns me is when johns get more (or is it less?) than they bargained for and commit sex crimes without knowing it.

Since the topic is child porn and you said you like movies how do you check the age of girls in the porn you watch?

[JDGRUEN]

A little off topic - but I think most Western guys will have inaccuracy in guessing the age of many 19 year old women ... some will say 13 - others will say 19 to 21 ... Even with my knowledge of Thailand going way back ... I often misjudge a Thai woman's age by as much as ten years - 28 looks age 18 ... 39 looks 23 .etc. Unless you see a valid National ID card - then don't assume every young looking bar girl is 13 or 15 ...

But of course I suspect some of you are expert at this and can spot an underage Thai girl in a crowed bar from 15 meters away.

By the way ... I don't go to Thai Girly bars ... not a prude -- mostly just do not like the drunk Farangs there..

[lostoday]

I find it interesting ot find so many people here talking about how sick this is when so many of the people on this forum browse the "Goods" in Pattaya or Soi Cowboy every night, and I'm not talking about DVD's.

Many of those girls are underage too, even if they don't tell you.

Pattaya is a big city and Soi Cowboy has many bars. Have you visited them all to be able to speak with such authority on the presence of children working there?

I've never seen a child working in either of those places but if I did I would inform the authorities. Why didn't you?

You have never seen because you don't want to look at .

Soi Cowboy in Bangkok and Pattaya for farang are a drop of water in the sea if you compare to all the country ...

If you can enter a karaoke in the deep Issan or deep south , or deep north , even deep Bangkok where you will never go , you will see a lot of underage girls who are coming from Cambodia , Lao , sometimes Vietnam and also Thailand .

Open your eyes !!

Visit the dark side of Thailand ;

it's not beautiful

I'm not Thai or Asian. I don't go to Karaoke bars because I find them boring and they won't let me in the Japanese ones anyway. I am a Farang and I go to Farang go go's. But you are right they are but a drop in the sea of Asian porn. So why talk to me. The underage stuff must go on at the Asian bars that you know about not the Farang ones I know about no matter how much I open my eyes I don't see the same things you see.

Perhaps you might want to report the dark side of Thailand. If I saw it I would. So give yourself a red card for allowing that stuff to happen when you saw it.

[lostoday]

A lot of the teenage girl's have been at it in the village on a regular basis so they are well run in when the get to the tourist areas.

With fake ID they can fool a lot of guys into thinking their as old as their fake ID says!

BS as the ID's are checked by security at the hotels.

What!? Are you kidding me? I just went on a trip to Kuala Lumpur with my wife and her cousin. Considering she's a general manager of a five star hotel in Pattaya we spent a good amount of time on this topic. They do NOT check the iD's of girls that come in with men if their name isn't on the room. You can't ask for hte ID of every girl that walks into your hotel. That's like checking ID at a bar. It's illegal here in Thailand.

Are you completely ignorant of local law or just choose ignorance?

I could see them doing this at the shadier, short stay hotels but the better question is, if there's no problem with underage girls selling themselves why are they bothering to check ID's? Your argument shoots yourself in the foot regarding the "There aren't any underage working girls" statement.

Nonsense. Nana hotel and Lek hotel two of the largest punter hotels in Thailand ask any woman not registered for ID when joining a male in a room. You are completely ignorant of local law.

To answer your question they not only check the ID they keep it until the girl leaves your room not only to check her age but to insure the guests safety.

Your wife is the manager of a 5 star hotel in Pattaya? There are no female managers of 5 star hotels in Pattaya. And why would Kuala Lumpur have anything to do with Thailand hotel rules?

Edited September 16, 2015 by lostoday

[JeffreyO]

A lot of the teenage girl's have been at it in the village on a regular basis so they are well run in when the get to the tourist areas.

With fake ID they can fool a lot of guys into thinking their as old as their fake ID says!

BS as the ID's are checked by security at the hotels.

What!? Are you kidding me? I just went on a trip to Kuala Lumpur with my wife and her cousin. Considering she's a general manager of a five star hotel in Pattaya we spent a good amount of time on this topic. They do NOT check the iD's of girls that come in with men if their name isn't on the room. You can't ask for hte ID of every girl that walks into your hotel. That's like checking ID at a bar. It's illegal here in Thailand.

Are you completely ignorant of local law or just choose ignorance?

I could see them doing this at the shadier, short stay hotels but the better question is, if there's no problem with underage girls selling themselves why are they bothering to check ID's? Your argument shoots yourself in the foot regarding the "There aren't any underage working girls" statement.

Nonsense. Nana hotel and Lek hotel two of the largest punter hotels in Thailand ask any woman not registered for ID when joining a male in a room. You are completely ignorant of local law.

To answer your question they not only check the ID they keep it until the girl leaves your room not only to check her age but to insure the guests safety.

Your wife is the manager of a 5 star hotel in Pattaya? There are no female managers of 5 star hotels in Pattaya. And why would Kuala Lumpur have anything to do with Thailand hotel rules?

Not my wife, her cousin whom I just spent a significant amount of time with. KL has nothing to do with Thailand, the three of us were visiting together.

Onto the topic, you just stated that these are punter hotels, or rather, places people bring prostitutes. As such I can imagine that since they often allow illegal activity they cover themselves as much as possible with ID checks. They're already committing illegal acts and this is Thailand, the police will probably look the other way for prostitution as it is.

Again, if there is no underage prostitution issue, why are they checking ID? What a complete and utter farce.

[lostoday]

BS as the ID's are checked by security at the hotels.

What!? Are you kidding me? I just went on a trip to Kuala Lumpur with my wife and her cousin. Considering she's a general manager of a five star hotel in Pattaya we spent a good amount of time on this topic. They do NOT check the iD's of girls that come in with men if their name isn't on the room. You can't ask for hte ID of every girl that walks into your hotel. That's like checking ID at a bar. It's illegal here in Thailand.

Are you completely ignorant of local law or just choose ignorance?

I could see them doing this at the shadier, short stay hotels but the better question is, if there's no problem with underage girls selling themselves why are they bothering to check ID's? Your argument shoots yourself in the foot regarding the "There aren't any underage working girls" statement.

Nonsense. Nana hotel and Lek hotel two of the largest punter hotels in Thailand ask any woman not registered for ID when joining a male in a room. You are completely ignorant of local law.

To answer your question they not only check the ID they keep it until the girl leaves your room not only to check her age but to insure the guests safety.

Your wife is the manager of a 5 star hotel in Pattaya? There are no female managers of 5 star hotels in Pattaya. And why would Kuala Lumpur have anything to do with Thailand hotel rules?

Not my wife, her cousin whom I just spent a significant amount of time with. KL has nothing to do with Thailand, the three of us were visiting together.

Onto the topic, you just stated that these are punter hotels, or rather, places people bring prostitutes. As such I can imagine that since they often allow illegal activity they cover themselves as much as possible with ID checks. They're already committing illegal acts and this is Thailand, the police will probably look the other way for prostitution as it is.

Again, if there is no underage prostitution issue, why are they checking ID? What a complete and utter farce.

Nonsense again you don't know anything about Thailand. Nothing illegal about the Nana or Lek Hotels. They are big reputable hotels that cater to single men although families also stay there. Hotels in Thailand all have policies concerning joining parties. Some charge for a guest joining you in your room and some don't. Nothing illegal about that just a hotel policy.

The hotel has an obligation to insure the safety of a guest hence they keep ID cards of anyone staying in the room who is not registered.

But back to the topic how do you check the girls age on the porn you watch in Thailand and do you keep in on your computer?

[JeffreyO]

I know nothing about Thailand because I don't stay at questionable hotels that card the girls that come in? This is a joke, right? What if I'm taking care of my sisters niece or a friends child while they're in the hospital? I am not permitted to have an underage guest? If they're carding you when it's not related to check-in, the place is shady, end of story. I've traveled to about two dozen Thai towns/cities, staying in hotels this year alone as well as Malaysia, Hong Kong (twice), Tokyo, Vientaine, Savannakhet, Ho Chi minh, Yangon, KL & Siem Reap, none of them had to card my wife when her name wasn't registered as a guest and she wasn't present during check in. What a joke.

You seem to know Thailand, or at least one "part" of Thailand, the dregs. At least I know where to find you, in the hotels where most of the working girls end up and the bars where you find them.

But none of this shows anything except proof that these "hotels" you go to have to ID because there is an underage problem. If there was no underage problem they wouldn't be IDing the working girls. (I'm taking your word that they're IDing every girl that comes through the doors though I find that hilarious).

[WinnieTheKhwai]

I find it interesting ot find so many people here talking about how sick this is when so many of the people on this forum browse the "Goods" in Pattaya or Soi Cowboy every night, and I'm not talking about DVD's.

Many of those girls are underage too, even if they don't tell you.

Pattaya is a big city and Soi Cowboy has many bars. Have you visited them all to be able to speak with such authority on the presence of children working there?

I've never seen a child working in either of those places but if I did I would inform the authorities. Why didn't you?

I pretty much have visited them all, yes. Well maybe not Pattaya as that would be a monumental undertaking, but let's say I visited a very good sample.

And I meet plenty underage girls there, typically 16-17. I'm not making a claim if those are children or not (or teenagers, whatever), but there can be no doubt that they're underage. Hint: they're not always the smallest, youngest looking either. I met a 17 year old just last week in a bar (in Chiang Mai). Nice girl too, big, tall and voluptuous as many younger ones seem to be.

And I don't inform authorities (of 16-17 year olds) as it's in nobody's interest except corrupt cops, if you'll excuse the tautology.

(Indeed I don't run into prepubescent children being exploited in bars, and that would indeed get into territory where reporting to the law will potentially do more good than harm.)

In addition to the law, everyone also has their your own individual set of morals. "Why not report to the police" is easy to say, until you realize that all prostitution is illegal in Thailand: is anyone reporting that to the police every day? If not, why not: it's because many people's own morals say that consensual sex between adults is okay, never mind what the law says. Or NGOs: most of them utterly corrupt Christian hate groups. (Though if anyone knows of one that I could be sure would offer selfless opportunity without blaming anyone involved then I'd be interested.)

And, (as people will inevitably ask/challenge): I don't think 16-17 year olds should work in bars and if I'm honest then 18 and 19 not either. Providing alternatives, education and so on would help with some of them, though others are just hell-bent on the relatively larger sums of money to be had, as well as the lifestyle. Personally I wouldn't knowingly get intimate with someone that young and also believe that they're better off with boyfriends their own age, and then only if it doesn't interfere with finishing an education.

Edited September 16, 2015 by WinnieTheKhwai

[lostoday]

I know nothing about Thailand because I don't stay at questionable hotels that card the girls that come in? This is a joke, right? What if I'm taking care of my sisters niece or a friends child while they're in the hospital? I am not permitted to have an underage guest? If they're carding you when it's not related to check-in, the place is shady, end of story. I've traveled to about two dozen Thai towns/cities, staying in hotels this year alone as well as Malaysia, Hong Kong (twice), Tokyo, Vientaine, Savannakhet, Ho Chi minh, Yangon, KL & Siem Reap, none of them had to card my wife when her name wasn't registered as a guest and she wasn't present during check in. What a joke.

You seem to know Thailand, or at least one "part" of Thailand, the dregs. At least I know where to find you, in the hotels where most of the working girls end up and the bars where you find them.

But none of this shows anything except proof that these "hotels" you go to have to ID because there is an underage problem. If there was no underage problem they wouldn't be IDing the working girls. (I'm taking your word that they're IDing every girl that comes through the doors though I find that hilarious).

Oh my, flaming me? You wrote, "You seem to know Thailand, or at least one "part" of Thailand, the dregs. At least I know where to find you, in the hotels where most of the working girls end up and the bars where you find them."

I take it you have never been to Thailand. The Nana and Lek are both good reasonably priced hotels.

Perhaps you should have some local knowledge before posting about Thailand and the rules of Thai Visa before flaming posters.

7) You will respect fellow members and post in a civil manner. No personal attacks, hateful or insulting towards other members, (flaming) Stalking of members on either the forum or via PM will not be allowed.

Hotels have a responsibility to insure the safety of guests and keep the ID cards of unregistered guests who stay in the room until they leave.

But back to the topic. How do you confirm the girls are of age in the porn you watch? Child porn is the topic of this thread you know?

[lostoday]

I find it interesting ot find so many people here talking about how sick this is when so many of the people on this forum browse the "Goods" in Pattaya or Soi Cowboy every night, and I'm not talking about DVD's.

Many of those girls are underage too, even if they don't tell you.

Pattaya is a big city and Soi Cowboy has many bars. Have you visited them all to be able to speak with such authority on the presence of children working there?

I've never seen a child working in either of those places but if I did I would inform the authorities. Why didn't you?

I pretty much have visited them all, yes. Well maybe not Pattaya as that would be a monumental undertaking, but let's say I visited a very good sample.

And I meet plenty underage girls there, typically 16-17. I'm not making a claim if those are children or not (or teenagers, whatever), but there can be no doubt that they're underage. Hint: they're not always the smallest, youngest looking either.

And I don't inform authorities (of 16-17 year olds) as it's in nobody's interest except corrupt cops, if you'll excuse the tautology.

(Indeed I don't run into prepubescent children being exploited in bars, and that would indeed get into territory where reporting to the law will potentially do more good than harm.)

In addition to the law, everyone also has their your own individual set of morals. "Why not report to the police" is easy to say, until you realize that all prostitution is illegal in Thailand: is anyone reporting that to the police every day? If not, why not: it's because many people's own morals say that consensual sex between adults is okay, never mind what the law says.

And, (as people will inevitably ask/challenge): I don't think 16-17 year olds should work in bars and if I'm honest then 18 and 19 not either. Providing alternatives, education and so on would help with some of them, though others are just hell-bent on the relatively larger sums of money to be had, as well as the lifestyle. Personally I wouldn't knowingly get intimate with someone that young and also believe that they're better off with boyfriends their own age, and then only if it doesn't interfere with finishing an education.

I agree with you and think the legal age should be raised to 39 but that's not the topic is it? How do you determine porn girls are over 18? That's the topic. How do you do it?

Edited September 16, 2015 by lostoday

[JeffreyO]

I know nothing about Thailand because I don't stay at questionable hotels that card the girls that come in? This is a joke, right? What if I'm taking care of my sisters niece or a friends child while they're in the hospital? I am not permitted to have an underage guest? If they're carding you when it's not related to check-in, the place is shady, end of story. I've traveled to about two dozen Thai towns/cities, staying in hotels this year alone as well as Malaysia, Hong Kong (twice), Tokyo, Vientaine, Savannakhet, Ho Chi minh, Yangon, KL & Siem Reap, none of them had to card my wife when her name wasn't registered as a guest and she wasn't present during check in. What a joke.

You seem to know Thailand, or at least one "part" of Thailand, the dregs. At least I know where to find you, in the hotels where most of the working girls end up and the bars where you find them.

But none of this shows anything except proof that these "hotels" you go to have to ID because there is an underage problem. If there was no underage problem they wouldn't be IDing the working girls. (I'm taking your word that they're IDing every girl that comes through the doors though I find that hilarious).

Oh my, flaming me? You wrote, "You seem to know Thailand, or at least one "part" of Thailand, the dregs. At least I know where to find you, in the hotels where most of the working girls end up and the bars where you find them."

I take it you have never been to Thailand. The Nana and Lek are both good reasonably priced hotels.

Perhaps you should have some local knowledge before posting about Thailand and the rules of Thai Visa before flaming posters.

7) You will respect fellow members and post in a civil manner. No personal attacks, hateful or insulting towards other members, (flaming) Stalking of members on either the forum or via PM will not be allowed.

Hotels have a responsibility to insure the safety of guests and keep the ID cards of unregistered guests who stay in the room until they leave.

But back to the topic. How do you confirm the girls are of age in the porn you watch? Child porn is the topic of this thread you know?

I didn't flame, I stated a fact, I stated where you could be found and you yourself admitted to frequenting these places so I hardly see that as a flame, unless you take it as an insult.

I live in Thailand at the moment, have been for a while now but I'm all for you thinking I haven't been here and know nothing of it.

Hotels have a responsibility to ensure safety of their guests, how many of us go to hotels and get carded when walking through the door? Again, it's never happened to me so one could conclude it's the hotels you're staying at.

How do I confirm the age of the girls in the porn I watch? Generally they're famous porn stars and the porn industry in the US, where most porn is made, has strict laws that are ENFORCED (enforced being the key word). The problem isn't that there aren't laws here, the problem is they're not enforced and with enough baht the police will look the other way.

[BuaBS]

I agree with you and think the legal age should be raised to 39 but that's the topic is it? How do you determine porn girls are over 18? That's the topic. How do you do it?

Wow , into 4 pages of post that are completely off topic . New management of TV ?

What has this bickering about underaged girls bars to do with intensifying laws on CP ?

[chrisinth]

A lot of the teenage girl's have been at it in the village on a regular basis so they are well run in when the get to the tourist areas.

With fake ID they can fool a lot of guys into thinking their as old as their fake ID says!

BS as the ID's are checked by security at the hotels.

What!? Are you kidding me? I just went on a trip to Kuala Lumpur with my wife and her cousin. Considering she's a general manager of a five star hotel in Pattaya we spent a good amount of time on this topic. They do NOT check the iD's of girls that come in with men if their name isn't on the room. You can't ask for hte ID of every girl that walks into your hotel. That's like checking ID at a bar. It's illegal here in Thailand.

Are you completely ignorant of local law or just choose ignorance?

I could see them doing this at the shadier, short stay hotels but the better question is, if there's no problem with underage girls selling themselves why are they bothering to check ID's? Your argument shoots yourself in the foot regarding the "There aren't any underage working girls" statement.

"That's like checking ID at a bar. It's illegal here in Thailand"

I'm sorry, where have you heard this? I spent almost 13 years doing just that and i never had any complaints about it. To accuse people of being totally ignorant of local laws, i would suggest that you make an effort of understanding them yourself................

As for hotels not checking ID cards, little story for you.

After checking into a very well known 4 star hotel in Pattaya a few years ago, i met my wife later in the day and made our way back to the hotel. i was informed that to bring my wife into the hotel, i would have to pay 500 baht and have her ID card left at reception.

Anyway, after restraint, and on speaking to the duty manager i was informed that to "protect the reputation of the hotel" it was necessary to charge for any females accompanying guests back to their room.

To this day, i am still trying to get my head round this.

​They did apologize profusely, but even with the threat of reporting the hotel to the police, they were adamant that this was normal practice for hotels in Pattaya.

Granted, this was a few years ago, but i understand that this practice is still on-going.

Edit: Looking at your posts, i am not sure if you are trolling or baiting here. If baiting, i have just swallowed the hook.

Edited September 16, 2015 by chrisinth