Hong Kong activist Joshua Wong 'detained in Thailand'

[Gainsbourg]

Good guys in. Bad guys out... 

Oh well, banana republic or crypto-southern chinese province. Same same but different...

[AGareth2]

the modern form of tribute

[jamesbrock]

 

[TPI]

8 hours ago, AGareth2 said:

China's servant

oh Siam

once land of the free

Siam has always been a client state of China, read your history book! Even No 4 asked permission of the Chinese Emperor to rule Siam! 

[In the jungle]

According to the Guardian right now the process was very simple.

 

China asked that he be blacklisted and so he was.

 

Vassal state springs to mind.

[Puwa]

[Global Guy]

4 hours ago, hansnl said:

Please enlighten me.

This HK activist is in favour of democracy for HK.

My idea!

But what has he got to do in Thailand?

Fighting for "democracy" in Thailand?

He has lots to do in HK, let the Thai people do it by themselves.

 

 

He was invited by a Thai to speak in Thailand. He accepted the invitation.

[boomerangutang]

6 hours ago, varun said:

Knowing Thailand's history with China, he should have rejected the request, out of fear for his safety.

 

Not necessarily. He may have thought Thailand was a bit of a democracy and/or its leaders would not follow commands from China. If so, he was wrong. No free-thinking Chinese should be under any illusions about Thailand.  For them, it's like going to Laos.  If a Chinese official makes a phone call, the Thai official answering the phone will snap to attention and promise to comply with every order.  

[boomerangutang]

Unwittingly, Chinese politburo is molding Mr. Wong into a hero.  If they don't lock him up forever or kill him, then he could possibly be a force to reckon with (a focal point for Chinese seeking to be able to express their thoughts freely without gov't punishment).  Now he's better known.   I admire and respect him.  It takes a brave person - to stand up to China's iron fist.

[HoboKay]

2 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:

 

Not necessarily. He may have thought Thailand was a bit of a democracy and/or its leaders would not follow commands from China. If so, he was wrong. No free-thinking Chinese should be under any illusions about Thailand.  For them, it's like going to Laos.  If a Chinese official makes a phone call, the Thai official answering the phone will snap to attention and promise to comply with every order.  

 

If Joshua Wong is unaware of the apparent cordial relationships between Thailand and his nanny state, perhaps he's not cut out to lead a democracy movement.

[Alive]

You guys are too hard on the kid. He's certainly got more balls than anyone on this thread.

[Publicus]

1 minute ago, HoboKay said:

 

If Joshua Wong is unaware of the apparent cordial relationships between Thailand and his nanny state, perhaps he's not cut out to lead a democracy movement.

 

Joshua Wong is well aware and he simply goes forward.

 

Hong Kong police carry student leader Joshua Wong to jail during pro-democracy protest in central Hong Kong, September 23, 2014.

 

 

CCP authorities in September failed to put him away in jail for several months on his conviction of leading the Umbrella Movement in central Hong Kong for 79 days of occupation to advocate a universal suffrage election of its chief executive next year. Wong had led a charge to scale the wire fence at the government's central compound.

 

HKG judiciary remains independent so the lady judge gave Joshua and two others community service instead. One of the three, 23 year old Nathan Law was subsequently elected to the HKG Legislative Council to become its youngest member in a rousing election upset.

 

The kids know what's going on and what they're doing. They are born and raised in HKG and each of 'em knows it and the CCP Tyrant Dictators better than anyone here. No way CCP Dictators in Beijing can afford another Tiananmen massacre so they've lost the only real weapon they have against universal suffrage in purusit of independence in HKG.

 

Joshua and his pals in HKG are already showing up the Boyz of Bangkok for what they are by having the Boyz throw him out to prevent him speaking democracy to Thai students descended from the Thammasat massacre. 

 

It's a local and a regional movement they're doing y'know. Then again maybe you don't know. 

[HoboKay]

14 minutes ago, Publicus said:

 

Joshua Wong is well aware and he simply goes forward.

 

CCP authorities in September failed to put him away in jail for several months on his conviction of leading the Umbrella Movement in central Hong Kong for 79 days of occupation to advocate a universal suffrage election of its chief executive next year. Wong had led a charge to scale the wire fence at the government's central compound.

 

HKG judiciary remains independent so the lady judge gave Joshua and two others community service instead. One of the three, 23 year old Nathan Law was subsequently elected to the HKG Legislative Council to become its youngest member in a rousing election upset.

 

The kids know what's going on and what they're doing. They are born and raised in HKG and each of 'em knows it and the CCP Tyrant Dictators better than anyone here. No way CCP Dictators in Beijing can afford another Tiananmen massacre so they've lost the only real weapon they have against universal suffrage in purusit of independence in HKG.

 

Joshua and his pals in HKG are already showing up the Boyz of Bangkok for what they are by having the Boyz throw him out to prevent him speaking democracy to Thai students descended from the Thammasat massacre. 

 

It's a local and a regional movement they're doing y'know. Then again maybe you don't know. 

 

For an outsider looking at the situation it doesn't inspire confidence, I have utmost respect for folks fighting for universal suffrage and independence but heroism is perhaps best left in the feudal ages?

[Publicus]

9 hours ago, HoboKay said:

Demosisto, focus on what's on your plate. Beijing's watching that petri dish very closely.

 

 

 

Beijing is shitting their pants.

 

Demosisto, which is the new political party Joshua Wong and others founded this year, want a referendum on independence in ten years. The new National Party also wants a referendum, but in two years. There are other new pro-democracy and pro-independence political parties of millennials born when HKG got returned to Chinese sovereignty in 1997.

 

CCP Dictators can't do another Tiananmen -- it is just out of the question. They can't lock up an entire generation of millennials either. 

 

This high visibility spectacular event brings Thailand into the pro-democracy movement in the region that is simultaneously local and regional. They meet regularly and safely in Taiwan and now Thailand is into it.

 

Lead, follow or get out of the way.

[tbthailand]

3 hours ago, jamesbrock said:

 

Yep, by pulling this stunt, and doing it so stupidly, the junta has ensured a whole lot more people around the world are now Googling "Thammasat University Massacre" than otherwise would have. Well done.

First Three Hits, .... 

Wiki

Financial Times

Youtube

 

[Publicus]

4 minutes ago, HoboKay said:

 

For an outsider looking at the situation it doesn't inspire confidence, I have utmost respect for folks fighting for universal suffrage and independence but heroism is perhaps best left in the feudal ages?

 

Sounds like there's only one person still living in the feudal ages.

 

This is the 21st century and the millennials in HKG are moving to establish and to secure their future. They know it won't be easy and that the going will get extremely tough. The reason it will be so tough is that the Dynasty of Dictators in Beijing and their fanboyz are still in the Dark Ages. 

[HoboKay]

14 minutes ago, Publicus said:

 

Sounds like there's only one person still living in the feudal ages.

 

This is the 21st century and the millennials in HKG are moving to establish and to secure their future. They know it won't be easy and that the going will get extremely tough. The reason it will be so tough is that the Dynasty of Dictators in Beijing and their fanboyz are still in the Dark Ages. 

 

I wish them the very best in their endeavours, I'd probably not live to see its realisation.

 

18 minutes ago, Publicus said:

 

Beijing is shitting their pants.

 

Demosisto, which is the new political party Joshua Wong and others founded this year, want a referendum on independence in ten years. The new National Party also wants a referendum, but in two years. There are other new pro-democracy and pro-independence political parties of millennials born when HKG got returned to Chinese sovereignty in 1997.

 

CCP Dictators can't do another Tiananmen -- it is just out of the question. They can't lock up an entire generation of millennials either. 

 

This high visibility spectacular event brings Thailand into the pro-democracy movement in the region that is simultaneously local and regional. They meet regularly and safely in Taiwan and now Thailand is into it.

 

Lead, follow or get out of the way.

 

Hopefully the active Thai democracy movement leaders will not be stifled with travel and communication restrictions with the regime in play. 

Edited October 5, 2016 by HoboKay

[varun]

42 minutes ago, Alive said:

You guys are too hard on the kid. He's certainly got more balls than anyone on this thread.

 

Yup, and for a brief moment, his balls were in the fist of Thai Immigration.

[boomerangutang]

1 hour ago, HoboKay said:

If Joshua Wong is unaware of the apparent cordial relationships between Thailand and his nanny state, perhaps he's not cut out to lead a democracy movement.

 

To be an effective influence for moving a society towards more freedom, you have to take chances.  MLK did.  Ghandi did.  Wong took chances in HK, and got arrested.  He then took a chance by coming to Thailand, a supposedly reasonable country.  He knew Bkk generals/head politicians leaned towards China, but he (like us, or anyone else) may not have known to what extent the Bkk junta were brown-nosing the Chinese.   ...or maybe he did.  He's brave for pushing the envelope.  Unless Chinese want to keep being told how to think (similar to N. Koreans), they would do well to support free-thinkers like Wong.

[boomerangutang]

4 minutes ago, varun said:

Yup, and for a brief moment, his balls were in the fist of Thai Immigration.

 

It's one of the lead stories on BBC radio news.  BBC's Jonathan Head also noted that when Thai police heads near the scene were asked what was going on, they drew blank stares, as if to say, "huh?  Some Chinese person detained?  I don't know what you're talking about."    ....even though there were over 20 Thai cops waiting at Suwanboon airport when Wong walked in.

 

Thailand's reputation is being dragged through the gutter, from the perspective of people who give a hoot about human rights.

[Publicus]

Just now, HoboKay said:

 

I wish them the very best in their endeavours, I'd probably not live see its realisation.

 

 

Hopefully the active Thai democracy movement leaders will not be stifled with travel and communication restrictions with the regime in play. 

 

CCP authorities in HKG are not (yet) stopping Joshua Wong or other pro-democracy Hongkongers of all generations travelling internationally to attend conferences, seminars, demonstrations, protests, observe elections and the like. 

 

Beijing does not want to move against their international travel in this way, or in any similar ways. Beijing instead leaves it up to the government of the receiving country to block the HKG democracy and independence activists. This is what happened in this instance with Joshua, and it happened to him in May when Malaysian authorities turned Joshua around at the airport to send him back to HKG.

 

Which is why they all meet in Taiwan. And it's another reason Beijing has severed official and formal communications with the new pro-independence government in Taiwan of the lady President Tsai En-wen of the Democratic Progressive Party which in elections earlier this year also won its first majority ever in parliament. Taiwan is moving away from Beijing too.

 

The 2nd richest man in CCP China just moved to Taiwan from HKG where his opposition to CCP had become increasingly unwelcomed. Now Sir Ka-shing Li, GBM, KBE, is funding the travel and lodging of democracy activists of Asean countries to gather and to confer in Taiwan.

 

One suspects the Boyz of Bangkok won't interfere with Thais travelling to Taiwan for these very purposes. If Beijing's not interfering with people leaving HKG, why should BKK be any different in the former LOS.

[Publicus]

9 minutes ago, varun said:

 

Yup, and for a brief moment, his balls were in the fist of Thai Immigration.

 

It was never in doubt.

 

Thai authorities never laid a hand on Joshua Wong nor would they ever try. Same for anyone like him. Detain yes, lock up or abuse, not a chance.

 

We're stronger than you think y'know. No, looks like you don't know. So do try to keep up plse thx.

[snoopy21]

Good Job!!! Thai government deserves eulogy this time.

[MiKT]

2 hours ago, Publicus said:

 

Beijing is shitting their pants.

 

Demosisto, which is the new political party Joshua Wong and others founded this year, want a referendum on independence in ten years. The new National Party also wants a referendum, but in two years. There are other new pro-democracy and pro-independence political parties of millennials born when HKG got returned to Chinese sovereignty in 1997.

 

CCP Dictators can't do another Tiananmen -- it is just out of the question. They can't lock up an entire generation of millennials either. 

 

This high visibility spectacular event brings Thailand into the pro-democracy movement in the region that is simultaneously local and regional. They meet regularly and safely in Taiwan and now Thailand is into it.

 

Lead, follow or get out of the way.

 

Tiananmen was  "out of the question" but it happened; and it can happen again if the Chinese feel that their grip on power is really threatened. Sanctity of life has little meaning for the leaders of this country.

 

But time has never been important to Chinese thinking and hopefully time will change things around and the necessity of strong actions to bring the country up to the modern level of prosperity (nobody should want to return to the feudal past) has gone and a more democratic system of government will eventually emerge.

 

Certainly the younger HK activists have role to play in keeping the attention of the world on the situation in China and the Thai government should be ashamed of itself in banning entry to peaceful protestors........but it won't be.

 

 

[metisdead]

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[varun]

2 hours ago, Publicus said:

 

It was never in doubt.

 

Thai authorities never laid a hand on Joshua Wong nor would they ever try. Same for anyone like him. Detain yes, lock up or abuse, not a chance.

 

We're stronger than you think y'know. No, looks like you don't know. So do try to keep up plse thx.

 

Nobody knows for certain what Thai Immigration could & could not have done.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Please refrain from spouting unsubstantiated BS, thank you.

 

[Publicus]

1 hour ago, varun said:

 

Nobody knows for certain what Thai Immigration could & could not have done.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Please refrain from spouting unsubstantiated BS, thank you.

 

 

When Joshua Wong had been returned to Hong Kong earlier today the local and international press and media were all set up and invited his statement and questions to answer. Wong of course obliged 'em.

 

Wong complained he'd been denied access to a lawyer (Thailand and HKG) and prohibited using his cell phone or computer. The detainment at Swampy by Thai Immi had been a denial of his basic human rights and his social and political rights in particular. Otherwise, no physical abuse and he was no worse for the wear mentally or emotionally.

 

Wong is the guy who'd publicly stated in HKG that each time he'd been arrested the police would whack his "private parts" each time they got him in isolation in the wagon and in the jail. So had Thai Immi been nasty to him, he'd certainly have said so. Not. (HKG police subsequently had to cease and desist in the sport of nutcracking.)

 

This is what Joshua Wong did say...

 

"Mainland China is a tinderbox that's been physically suppressed by the authorities, and Hong Kong is a seed of fire.

"The Communist Party is very scared of this tiny bit of land, because if true universal suffrage can blossom in Hong Kong, it is very likely true universal suffrage will end up happening in the mainland."

"I can't say we students striving for democracy now will directly lead to universal suffrage in China. "But at least, universal suffrage in Hong Kong could be a pilot for the people in Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Shanghai, Beijing, and even the whole of China."

 

A bit ambitious perhaps but then again Joshua Wong turns 20 later this month and there's no unsubstantiated BS about it thx. 

 

Edited October 5, 2016 by Publicus
Revise text.

[boomerangutang]

I'm sorry to say, I think the heavy boot of China will come down on Mr. Wong's neck.  I suggest he find residence in some country outside of HK/China.  I don't want to see him detained for a long time, Mandelaesque, and become a poster-boy from prison.  Better if he keeps up the good work from afar.  He's only 20 and should try to stay free, not locked up.  Look at what happened to the book shop manager from HK.  He was only detained in a Chinese prison for a few months, and he came away shell-shocked and silenced.

[HoboKay]

27 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:

I'm sorry to say, I think the heavy boot of China will come down on Mr. Wong's neck.  I suggest he find residence in some country outside of HK/China.  I don't want to see him detained for a long time, Mandelaesque, and become a poster-boy from prison.  Better if he keeps up the good work from afar.  He's only 20 and should try to stay free, not locked up.  Look at what happened to the book shop manager from HK.  He was only detained in a Chinese prison for a few months, and he came away shell-shocked and silenced.

 

He's probably lucky to have escaped having a chair in his face whilst in Thai custody. 

 

That's the default reflex reaction towards what he's fighting for isn't it?

[Mosha]

On BBC earlier, it was said an immigration officer said to him in English "Thailand is just like China". I wonder at the timing as to day is an anniversary of one of Thailand's coups.

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