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Canada Tests The Limits Of US Power Under Trump

Canada’s escalating retaliation over trade is testing how far the Trump administration can push even a close ally, as a leaked account of Vice-President JD Vance’s remarks fuels tension ahead of tariff deadlines.

Leaked Comments Add Heat To Talks

Two days before US-Canada trade talks collapsed, Vance told an audience at a private fundraiser that Prime Minister Mark Carney was “a very sweet guy”. In an audio recording leaked to the Canadian Press, Vance reportedly added that Carney “comes in and puffs his chest out and says: ‘I’m going to, like, out-tough Donald Trump.’” The recording described the approach as “hilarious” because, Vance said, Canadians “climb down on a lot of issues”.

The comments attracted widespread attention in Canada, though they were not confirmed as the immediate trigger for Carney’s officials to end talks and leave over the weekend. What followed was a sharp break in negotiations for a new trade agreement and a new round of tariffs between neighbours whose two-way trade totals more than $872bn (£640bn) a year.

Why Trump Is Pressing Canada

Friction between Washington and Ottawa has long roots in Donald Trump’s first term and the negotiations that produced the USMCA, the deal that replaced NAFTA. The current conflict is also linked to personal clashes between Trump and Justin Trudeau, then Canada’s prime minister. Trump at the time derided Trudeau as “governor” and called Canada America’s “51st State”.

Behind the insults, administration officials also pursued a wider geopolitical view in which the United States was entitled to exert economic and political influence in its region. Officials said Canada was contributing too little to regional defence while benefiting disproportionately from trade with the United States.

Within that framework, Trump has repeatedly connected economic security and national security. “If you listen to really anybody in state, treasury, or commerce [departments], you will hear the phrase ‘economic security is national security’,” said Drew Delong, head of corporate statecraft at the Kearney Foresight think tank. As North American negotiations continued early this year, Trump’s focus shifted to military interventions in Venezuela and then the Middle East, but the approach to imposing pressure for national benefit has remained.

Power Limits, Retaliation, And The Chokepoint Test

The broader lesson, analysts say, is that power can be constrained when opponents still have ways to retaliate. The Trump administration is facing a comparable test in both military and economic settings, according to DeLong, despite differences between disputes over trade and conflicts in places such as Iran.

In Iran’s case, he said, leverage lies in threatening global commerce by targeting US partners and maritime chokepoints, including the Strait of Hormuz. With Canada, the mechanism is economic pain. Tuesday’s targeted tariffs were described as an initial step, with further measures possible, including restricting US access to Canadian energy and critical minerals and encouraging consumer boycotts of American goods.

DeLong said the underlying logic is spreading as governments shift toward “economic security” strategies, where countries look for “game of chokepoints and leverage angles” across supply chains.

At present, negotiators have limited clear off-ramps. Trump has accused Canada of “ripping off” the US, while Ontario Premier Doug Ford retaliated by telling the American president to “kiss my ass”. Imran Bayoumi, deputy director of the GeoStrategy Initiative at the Atlantic Council, said pushing allies and partners away can make them pursue new relationships instead of conceding.

The timing of escalation may also matter. Canada’s new tariffs are due to take effect in two weeks, while the main US response—an increase to 50% on Canadian-built vehicles and auto parts—is not scheduled until early 2027. Talks had shown progress until Friday night, offering a narrow window to restart negotiations before the next tranche of tariffs.

Deadlines Ahead Of US Midterms

A more immediate political deadline comes from November’s US midterm elections. Democratic gains could limit Trump’s room for manoeuvre, while unexpected Republican success could strengthen his position. Ottawa appears to be betting on the former, calculating that fear of a midterm blowout in industrial battlegrounds including Michigan and Ohio will pressure Trump to step back before ballots are cast.

Bayoumi said Canada does not face the kind of internal political divisions that the administration might have expected, and that Carney has “a lot of political runway” to secure a deal.

There is also another scenario: Canada could keep reducing reliance on the United States. Carney has said: “We cannot depend on traditional alliances when the rules of the game have fundamentally changed.”

Mexico, by contrast, appears to be pursuing deeper economic integration with the US. Other trading partners, including allies in Europe and Asia, are watching Canada’s resistance, DeLong said, adding that “ten years from now, this is going to be taught in classrooms” as North America may move toward “bifurcating paths” rather than reconverging.

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26 August 2026

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Cameroni Star Member

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Canada is a parasite on America's teat. The Canadians stole 33 trillion USD of natural resources from the Amerindians, but failed to produce anything of value with it. There area no Canadian products anyone wants, apart from the natural resources. Canada is a failed state, already in recession prior to the failed negotiations, where Carney once again showed his incompetence.

Vance reportedly added that Carney “comes in and puffs his chest out and says: ‘I’m going to, like, out-tough Donald Trump.’” The recording described the approach as “hilarious” because, Vance said, Canadians “climb down on a lot of issues”.

It is absolutely hilarious. Imagine being Donald Trump watching this clown Carney pretend to be tough, when you have a military that could conquer Canada in 48 hours. Lol. Canada is a joke.

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3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

My good friend and master economist ChatGPT has some tricks up its sleeve.

I wonder if Carney ever uses ChatGPT for ideas? Lol.

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Lol, clearly AI has some limitations. The problem with that strategy is that Canada is non-existent when it comes to competition for those export markets. Since Canada does not produce any products the rest of the world really wants. It's an export failure. Have you ever used a Canadian product and thought "damn, this is excellent"? Never. Nor have I.

Again, this has been tried by the UK before, they tried to escape the EU and go into different markets. It was a total failure, and the UK is still dependent on the EU for exports. Carney should know this. There is no way out for Canada.

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3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Canada never produced anything the world wants.

Nowhere near what the US has done, but the US is also 10 times larger.

And realistically, when a country is blessed with natural resources, it may tend to get lazier in trying to innovate and create products.

But "never" is a strong word.

Some major items Canada produced:

Insulin treatment / Snowmobiles / Blackberry / IMAX / Bombardier aircraft / Flight Simulators

save the frogs Star Member

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4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

There is no way out for Canada.

It could be that Canada has relied too heavily on the US and now will be forced to follow Trump's demands and eventually even be absorbed by the US.

Cameroni Star Member

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5 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Nowhere near what the US has done, but the US is also 10 times larger.

And realistically, when a country is blessed with natural resources, it may tend to get lazier in trying to innovate and create products.

But "never" is a strong word.

Some major items Canada produced:

Insulin treatment / Snowmobiles / Blackberry / IMAX / Bombardier aircraft / Flight Simulators

Blackberry, another spectacular failure. Snowmobiles? Flight simulators? You cannot be serious.

Indeed, the US has produced award winning products and is a world innovator and always has been, transistors, AI, internet, social media, space exploration, electric cars, and now flying cars. Meanwhile Canada is producing hockey sticks and failed blackberries.

Canada is a failed state, in recession already. The Canadian Dollar falling.

6 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

It could be that Canada has relied too heavily on the US and now will be forced to follow Trump's demands and eventually even be absorbed by the US.

That would require the Canadian leadership to have good sense and grasp the reality of the situation. But they have none and live in a fantasy world. Carney is driving Canada right into a full on recession, a falling Canadian Dollar, unemployment and a cunning plan to diversify exports to the EU and China, along the lines of the UK, which tried the same strategy to get away from the
EU, to diversify into other markets. Net result, the EU is still the UK's biggest export market, and Canada will always be suckling on America's teat.

Canada's only hope is that Trump continues to be soft, and concedes. I doubt he has the virility and strength left to invade Canada, as he should.

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2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Blackberry, another spectacular failure. Snowmobiles? Flight simulators? You cannot be serious.

Indeed, the US has produced award winning products and is a world innovator and always has been, transistors, AI, internet, social media, space exploration, electric cars, and now flying cars. Meanwhile Canada is producing hockey sticks and failed blackberries.

Canada is a failed state, in recession already. The Canadian Dollar falling.

That would require the Canadian leadership to have good sense and grasp the reality of the situation. But they have none and live in a fantasy world. Carney is driving Canada right into a full on recession, a falling Canadian Dollar, unemployment and a cunning plan to diversify exports to the EU and China, along the lines of the UK, which tried the same strategy to get away from the
EU, to diversify into other markets. Net result, the EU is still the UK's biggest export market, and Canada will always be suckling on America's teat.

Canada's only hope is that Trump continues to be soft, and concedes. I doubt he has the virility and strength left to invade Canada, as he should.

Commies never make anything but trouble!

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2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Blackberry, another spectacular failure. Snowmobiles? Flight simulators? You cannot be serious.

Blackberry came out before the iPhone.

It dominated for a while.

Maybe they failed to adapt, etc ...

But still a very innovative product.

Flight simulators is industry-specific. Just because you never needed one doesn't mean countries don't use them to train their pilots.

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Just now, save the frogs said:

Blackberry came out before the iPhone.

It dominated for a while.

Maybe they failed to adapt, etc ...

But still a very innovative product.

Look, Blackberry has been discontinued. It's an example of failure.

Bombardier is only viable as long as the US allows it to certify the planes in the US. Bombardier shares are already falling 9% in the wake of the dispute. Trump threatened to decertify Bombardier.

Canada is a dancing monkey that thinks it's playing the tune.

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5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Canada's only hope is that Trump continues to be soft, and concedes. I doubt he has the virility and strength left to invade Canada, as he should.

Yes, and aside from your Phd in economics, you have been a military general and a diplomat.

Have you ever considered how complex it is to attack a country the size of Canada?

And then there is also the diplomatic aspect. You need a valid reason to attack a country in this day and age.

Cameroni Star Member

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3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Have you ever considered how complex it is to attack a country the size of Canada?


Ordinarily yes, but not so much with Canada. Have you seen the comparison between the US military and the Canadian military? Within 48 hours it would all be over, that is the Canadians saying this.

It would be very easy to defeat Canada, but the occupation would take 750,000 soldiers and the US needs to keep an eye on Taiwan, is fighting Iran.

Plus, economic sanctions would hit Trump's own net worth. If Trump were a true patriot though he would invade Canada and take her 51 trillion USD of resources. Maybe Vance.

save the frogs Star Member

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Carney is talkin' tough to roaring crowds.

Carney projects doubling its exports to non-US trading partners over the next decade. He's already started shifting the goal posts. I don't think he's an idiot, contrary to what Cameroni suggests.

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Cameroni Star Member

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14 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Yeah, good luck freezing your balls off in the Northwest Territories.

90 % of Canadians live within less than 100 miles of the US. An invasion of Canada would be swift and painless.

12 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Carney projects doubling its exports to non-US trading partners over the next decade. He's already started shifting the goal posts. I don't think he's an idiot, contrary to what Cameroni suggests.

He's an idiot if he thinks exporting to other nations is the solution. The UK tried this and failed, they still export mostly to the EU. Carney should know this, as he oversaw the failed attempt to diversify into global markets. It would be a golden age for the UK economy proponents of this plan said. Look what happened. Still selling what they can to the EU. Just as Canada will forever be selling to the US, and begging for a new trade deal soon. Carney will be on all fours begging.

Cameroni Star Member

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46 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

As to the military taking over in 48 hours not a chance.

The Canadians themselves, the Canadian military, who have modelled possible US invasions, have concluded that Canada would last no longer than 48 hours to a week. Google it.

47 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

Australia England and othe countries would send military.

Australia and England would send their militaries? To stop the US army? Are you for real?

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