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How would you feel if you get pushed out of Thailand.. I take it Thailand is now your home ?
Can you understand that they are a bit pissed if their mosques get burned.. I am sure you would protest too if someone did stuff like that with you. You can hate Muslims all you want but this was a crime committed against them and they have every right to protest about that.
How much has Thai society been forced to change its culture and its religious practices because Westerners have moved here? Do we set up zones of influence and demand to be treated by a separate code of Christian Law (granted for the British, the comparison is a problem)? Do we attack, utter insults, and chase down Thais because they behave in a manner consistent with their own civilization? If there are Western practices being adopted in Thailand, it's because the Thais want them. I don't know of too many non-Muslim parts of the world that want to adopt Muslim practices.
Fair point.. but you must have seen Pattaya ?
Most muslims are ok no problems whatsoever but some idiots that make a lot of noise and try to change things. Same here with farangs most are ok but there are some nutcases that are a problem.
And for looking down on Thais.. one should only read all the Thaibashing on this forum.
We are just as bad as normal muslims (not bad at all), and those idiot extreme foreigners are as bad as the extreme muslims.
In my time working with Muslims in the Netherlands is that most of them just want a place to live and make money. Then you got some idiots that try to change things and are radical. Its the same everywhere there always bad elements.
I am pretty sure you don't consider farang criminals as the norm, but the Thais do identify them with us too. Just like we identify all Muslims with a few bad ones. Does not sound fair does it ?
I, too, have criticized much of the knee-jerk unthinking criticism of Thailand that appears on TVF. But the often time crude remarks we see here are as nothing when compared to taking over parts of a city and instituting your own laws on a de facto basis. In your own Netherlands it is unsafe to criticize Muslims--you can be killed for it. I don't know anywhere in Thailand that Thais are unsafe because of rampaging farangs. There is of course one place in Thailand where bombings, murder, and assassination are a common occurrence. But that is in Thailand's far south and the element doing the terrorism is a Muslim one.
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Murder the Brits.
Attack the Dutch until they are unconscious.
Assault the Swiss because they don't buy from street vendors.
Mug the Chinese and Japanese in taxis.
Shake down all and sundry on the streets.
But we don't want Russians because they are ill mannered.
Of whom do you speak?
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Seem to be an awful lot of news stories on Israel put up in TV the past few days.
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No, this was a Muslim rally, just look the pictures.
My question is only:
HOW MANY church are there in Muslim countries?
Uuppsss ....
They are the most most pushy and violent people.
Why don't they go home simply instead of any rally ???
How would you feel if you get pushed out of Thailand.. I take it Thailand is now your home ?
Can you understand that they are a bit pissed if their mosques get burned.. I am sure you would protest too if someone did stuff like that with you. You can hate Muslims all you want but this was a crime committed against them and they have every right to protest about that.
How much has Thai society been forced to change its culture and its religious practices because Westerners have moved here? Do we set up zones of influence and demand to be treated by a separate code of Christian Law (granted for the British, the comparison is a problem)? Do we attack, utter insults, and chase down Thais because they behave in a manner consistent with their own civilization? If there are Western practices being adopted in Thailand, it's because the Thais want them. I don't know of too many non-Muslim parts of the world that want to adopt Muslim practices.
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Hundreds! Hundreds of people! Stop the presses!
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What do Bill Cosby and Prince Andrew have in common?
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You are right, with your opinion.
I'm not a friend of Putin, but not friend of US politics either or all this idiot politicians in Europe(NATO) who nodding only to US politics.
We all have to open our eyes and not believe all the bulls$$t presented in the news, this is often just propaganda.
This case in Ukraine is provocated by US politics they came to close to Russia and planned in top to install rockets in Ukraine, Putin fighting only back, unfortunatley the simple ppl suffering over there, as usual I feel sorry for them.
George W. Bush would say just collateral damages.
Or like Stalin said. The death of 1 man is a tragedy the death of thousends just statistics.
This case remembers me onto the Cuba Crisis about 50 years ago the only difference the Ukraine case is provocated by US politics.
With the same risk that it could leads to WW III.
Again, a diversion on to conspiracy theories about the US. Your statement has what exactly to do with the topic, which is about declining Russian tourism in Thailand?
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Interesting, and logical oppinion, but unfortunately a little bit wrong :-) The author cannot see the real reason in the deep.
Russia has no country flop, they only organize it for themselves. I'm not a Putin fun, but he is a genius if he can make it happen.
In case anybody has a little overview on global economy can see, that he just push down the value of the foreign investments rate in his territory. These companies would be a massive problem for him in the future, for the EaU what they establish from today. But right now, after the funny hysterical reaction of the EU and their journalist and the not experienced but loud media, he got what he wanted, he purchase back huge volume of his economy, from the escaped non Russian (also non government) investors for a law value, and then own in his hand. Also he is laughing on the EU, as they were jumping into the trap of this artificial panic news marketing, so easy. And he made 20 billion USD profit on that action ;-)
The Russian tourist stay home we see, but not because of the Russian economy flop, because of the local situation, against for them.
What?
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So, we get fewer Germans coming to Thailand, too?
Correct - and not only less Germans. Which country are you from may I ask?
I'm from Texas.
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Big mistake for Thailand and its tourist industry to tie itself so closely to a country whose economy was a house of cards, waiting to collapse. When a business makes a bad choice, then it suffers. Thailand should have diversified. Instead, it went for the Russian and Chinese markets. Wait until China, with its opaque financial system, unravels as well.
Diversifying is exactly what they have been doing. I believe you are still stuck in the last century. The US can manage quite well on it's own, despite the BRICS countries bypassing the US$. Europe and the Euro unfortunately will suffer the most.
Well, I don't know why you brought the US into this. I didn't mention the US at all, simply Thailand's over reliance on the Russian and Chinese tourist markets. As is plainly evident, that was a mistake. As for the US, since you bring it up, you can forget about it. That ship has sailed. Few Americans come her or will come here in the future. And with Cuba opening up, the few that do come here will be even smaller in number.
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Big mistake for Thailand and its tourist industry to tie itself so closely to a country whose economy was a house of cards, waiting to collapse. When a business makes a bad choice, then it suffers. Thailand should have diversified. Instead, it went for the Russian and Chinese markets. Wait until China, with its opaque financial system, unravels as well.
Well, the russian economy is based on an enormous amount of natural resources, mostly oil and gas.
The fact that the US together with Saudi Arabia are manipulating the oil market is a simple effort to bring down
the Russian economy and with it the russian government. No conspiracy theory ... just simple facts.
[or how would anybody explain that Saudi Arabia is flooding the market with oil while prices are going down ?]
It is mainly the russian currency that is brought down than the economy itself.
In the mid term this will have a huge negative effect on the european economies ... especially GERMANY !!!
And what this means should be clear to everybody: if Germany goes into recession it will take the whole world economy with it !!!
[... and all signs right now point to it !!!]
So, we get fewer Germans coming to Thailand, too?
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It is NO surprise to read so much racist crap [yes ... RACIST !!!] in a threat like this.
The question would be:
What makes people happy to see a whole economy in Russia being deliberately destroyed by
Western Interests making a huge amount of people suffer ?
Why is it that people are happy about a currency falling apart [Russia] making people suffer ?
Is it really that far that the "moral high ground people" in this forum are that brain dead ?
I know lots of very friendly and nice Russians around here on Samui.
The bad behavior of Russians is just as bad as bad behavior of Brits, Germans, Americans, Chinese, Koreans .... you name it !
The REAL numbers of missing tourists in Thailand is much higher than anybody would admit.
Go look around [if anybody posting here is actually in Thailand !!!] and see what is going on.
Empty Restaurants, empty bars, empty shops.
[i have to admit that I might co-incidently always come to these places 5 minutes after they were full
or 5 minutes before they all fill up ... at any given time of the day]
Fact is that a big number of businesses will not survive this and that's bad for ALL !
So it might be a good idea to think about this whole issue for just 10 seconds BEFORE
getting too happy about a major economy falling apart [in the media]
Just for the sake of the information:
Russia's Depth/GDP is about 20%
USA Depth/GDP is about 87%
Now tell me who is doing worse ...
The world economy is on a HUGE downturn if you look at the REAL numbers...
There is no sign of any recovery and as a fact a recovery is not even possible.
Be careful what you wish for .... the european's are also running out of money
and then the real "quality-tourists" everybody seems to be so eager for will
also not come ! ... but that's never going to happen because it is not in the newspaper [yet].
Big mistake for Thailand and its tourist industry to tie itself so closely to a country whose economy was a house of cards, waiting to collapse. When a business makes a bad choice, then it suffers. Thailand should have diversified. Instead, it went for the Russian and Chinese markets. Wait until China, with its opaque financial system, unravels as well.
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Bash them all you want, they bring wealth to the country.
And corruption and crime.
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You keep saying "free people"...i think you missed a couples of years didn't you?
- Freedom of speech? speak about this to the wisthleblowers
-freedom to elect someone else than G.W. bush? yes but bush is still elected
- A majority of American people rejected the last "war on terror" the government gave them a big finger and sent young troops to steal oil, not give freedom
- People locked up un Guantanamo without trial and sometimes wrongly accused
- Tortures by the CIA
- Ask about the native ameicans (the indians) how they feel about their freedom?
.. want more?
USA is corrupted by spin doctors and corporations which only goal is to make money. They choose who you have to vote for and why you go to war...if this is freedom then you have a strange view of freedom...
You may love guns and capital punishment but your freedom to wear a gun threaten the freedom of other people to not have a bullet by accident or drunken reaction or road rage....
- Ask about the native ameicans (the indians) how they feel about their freedom?
I'm native American, Cherokee and Choctaw. You can ask me.
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Rafael Cruz sounds even better than Ted. Too bad he can't run.
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So sick of the NRA and pro gun folks making excuses. United States has became a dangerous place to live precisely because of the Gun lobby funded by Gun manufacturers and supported by gun lovers who see owning a gun as an extension of their manhood.
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There are only certain parts of some of the bigger cities in America, that can be dangerous. It isn't some gun lobby or gun manufactures that are making our cities dangerous. Street gangs contribute to most of the crime. If you can figure out a way to eliminate the gangs, the rest should be easy.
Saying guns make cities dangerous, is like saying spoons make people fat, pencils misspell words, and cars make people drive drunk. People with criminal minds make our cities dangerous.
What's up with the remark, "gun lovers see owning a gun as an extension of their manhood." Where did you get that idea from? OMG!
Good points, all. As for timtscott--where do you live, Tim? If it's in Thailand, I've got some really surprising news for you--there are probably more guns in my Thai village than in my old North Dallas suburb. A year ago, a ladyboy was caught breaking into houses around 4 am. How was he/she caught? My neighbor across the street heard a noise, whipped out his pistol, fired a couple shots (unintentionally missing), and brought the burglar to a stop where the police--whose station is 100 meters around the corner!--arrested him/her. Being without a gun myself here in Thailand, I was only armed with a butcher's knife when someone tried to break into my house around the same time. I came down the stairs and chased them off--but the danger to myself was much more than that to my neighbor who had a pistol. Bottom line: no more burglaries, robberies, or any other crime in the village since then. Even the lady with the yelping dogs brings them inside her property at night, now.
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Once again, I don't usually comment much on these Arab-Israeli disputes. But for the sake of God, let us not have yet another Arab state. They're all a mess--bloody, chaotic, despotic, given to acts of genocide against minorities in their midst. I'm not so much a defender of Israel. But I do know that if I was given the choice to live in Israel or any Arab country, I'd take Israel in a heartbeat. In fact, I might enlarge that to include almost all muslim countries, although Malaysia, based on my many trips there, might be the sole muslim country I would choose in preference to Israel.
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I'm Norwegian , civilians are not allowed to carry guns , I have nothing against you or anyone from the US , just the laws which we Scandinavians think belongs to the stone age or wild west if you like. Same with the death penalty . Even if a lot of people want terrorists like Breivik dead , we give them a life in prison instead. We don't kill people even if they deserve it. Call it being human if you like.
We call it being sanctimonious hypocrites, and it gets tiresome. Why don't you take all of Norway's contributions to civilization since "the stone age" and list them for us. They ought to fit on a postage stamp.
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Coming soon to the immigration check-in at Suvarnabhumi.
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I may probably upset a few people here for which I apologise but it seems to me there is a simple solution to this 'gun' problem. Not only in the US but everywhere where there is a 'sane' government. ( I use this word because without naming specifics there are some places in the world that do not fall into that category- in my opinion)
So here's an idea. Ban them full stop.
There are no need for guns in a civilised society.
Make it a long prison sentence for owning and certainly carrying one. Then if the bad guys don't have them, the police don't need them and so they stop carrying them and innocent people don't get shot by mistake.
Some years ago I was asked to work with a tennis player who at the time was based in Denver Col.
Everybody had guns. They were everywhere, even in gun racks in cars!!!
I was there 3 days and witnessed an altercation over a parking space in a car park and one of the guys pulled a gun!
That's was that, just came home.
If anyone can explain to me why anyone needs a gun to live a an ordinary life I would like to hear it.
I guess the gun lobby in America is too powerful and there are votes at stake which means a president puts his self interest at a higher priority than the lives of the people he is sworn to protect.
And in the UK why the need for a gun? In case you get mugged by a marauding gang of squirrels?
I see no need, just ban them and withdraw police use when the streets are clean.
No guns, no problems like this.
RIP lady, and sympathies to the 2 year old who hasn't got a clue what he's done but at some point will become aware which may cause him irreparable damage.
You did the right thing. You went home. Enjoy your life there, and don't worry about the United States. We can live without another tennis coach.
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She has a permit to carry concealed weapons - and I don't know anything about guns - but shouldn't a gun, carried (albeit concealed) in public, be unloaded and locked? I thought one was supposed to keep the bullets OUTSIDE the gun, no?
No.
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Never been to the US and I stand corrected re my 'Midwest' comment - duly noted. I've also never needed a hunting rifle to protect myself from bears, wolves and mountain lions - I concede that these are all valid reasons for owning a firearm in certain parts of north America.
None of that changes the fact that this woman should never have been granted a licence to own a firearm, much less a licence to carry a concealed firearm. If thats telling people in other parts of the world how to live their lives, I'm sorry but that's precisely what we do on this and other forums every day of the year. Have a great NYE.
(neversure, FWIW, although we are on opposite sides of the fence on this issue, I appreciate the contributions you made to the AirAsia threads - you clearly know your stuff)
BTW, I wasn't referring to your right to have an opinion or post it on this or any other forum. I was referring to your "place" to do so. Literally. Neither you or I, for that matter, have the place or standing to tell people in Idaho how to live their lives--you, because you have no vote at all in the US and I because I don't have a vote in Idaho. That is why I followed up my post with the statement about the US being a federal system. The people in Idaho express their own thoughts on how they should live through their individual vote, which is based on the circumstances of their life in whatever part of Idaho they live in.
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Surely there is an ultimate point here - is crime etc., so bad in this town that people need to have a handgun in their purse in a supermarket and with a 2 yr old and other young children on the spot and playing etc?
If the answer is yes then the local police etc., officials are somewhat responsible for this death.
If the answer is no, then should there be laws or store policies that guns have to be surrendered on entry to the store?
Or put it another way, If you were shopping in this store with a couple of boisterous kids would you be happy to know that the lady next to you has a handgun in her purse and it's loaded and the safety catch is off and any of her kids could easily take the gun out of that purse?
Sorry, just can't understand this mentality.
Aside from the fact that a woman on her own, with a small child, might need protection (lots of illegals roam the rural areas of the West) and has the constitutional right to arm herself thusly, there could well be good reasons to carry a gun as a matter of habit--even in a Wal Mart. Parts of the US are open and vacant. And this happened, apparently, in a small town of 9,000--so I'm assuming the area is rural. Although quite unlikely this time of year, an encounter with an unfriendly or poisonous critter while changing a tire might make having a gun around a very good idea. All of the US is not Manhattan. In some places humans are still part of nature and sometimes nature carries a sting. A gun can be handy.
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Putin's lame excuses for invasion are of same sort Herr Hitler used.
Pretty shameful to invoke Hitler after Russians suffered so much at the hands of the Nazis. Contrary to Hollywood spellbinding (the wood of the holly tree was traditionally used to make 'magic wands') Russia saved the west in WWII. Show a little gratitude.
If the still-growing 'Security State' is what is in store for us all, once the Empire rules the world, then you had better wish Russia and China succeed in neutralizing NATO.
Russia saved the West? Was this before or after it was Hitler's ally in invading Poland?
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Swedes rally in support of mosques after arson attacks
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Realize that this isn't even an Arab issue. Arab Christians in Egypt, the West Bank, Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq are being exterminated even as I write. You also mention your good standing with Turks back in the Netherlands. Turkey is a prime example that you never know what goes own beneath the surface. For almost 100 years, Turkey passed itself off as a secular state, worthy of admission to the EU in latter years. Yet we now see a full fledged Islamic despot in charge, one who becomes more and more extreme with each passing year.
--better stop. This is going way off topic. And I don't mean to do that. This is about what essentially was a fake rally of a few hundred Muslims coordinating their efforts with Muslims throughout Europe (the Netherlands, for example) to complain about attacks on mosques. Might be nice if Muslims were equally concerned with the destruction of churches in Egypt and Syria. Maybe start by returning Hagia Sophia to its rightful owners in Constantinople.