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29 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

 

Well from their plans it looks like the ocean side buildings will be staying...Sort of....

That is after they chop the ends of the longer buildings off and build a walkway on the water around them..........

I cant figure out the purpose of this hair brained idea......

Walking street is for well you know WALKING.....Why build another walkway to walk on?

 

Cutting off the ends of those buildings will destroy those businesses...

 

All this needless busybody stuff they are planning reminds me of the Central Festival Food Court.......

From the first day it opened it was packed....High Season, Low Season, No Season that food court was doing a roaring trade....

I would say it was the most successful eating establishment in all of Pattaya and possibly all of Thailand... That place was a money printing machine.....

But outrageous success could not be left well enough alone.....

They felt the need to fix what was not broken and make it upscale and hi-so friendly......

After the remodel the food court has lost I would guess 95% of the business they had before.....

 

Walking Street could learn something here.......

 

The planning issue is that a lot of businesses have extended and are overhanging the beach, including the pattaya beer garden and a lot of the restaurants.

The parts of the building on the main surface are not the problem, but it does limit their size, possibly only enough for small cafes and trinket shops

To stop any future encroachment they want to turn this overhang into a walkway - but I am sure this will get filled with tables in no time

Whether some normalcy returns at the end of the month  ay depend on the zone that Chonburi is put into - at the time of writing there has been no cases of covid detected in Chonburi province for 5 days consecutively.

These are the criteria

Red Zone - Maximum control zone, considerable number of cases

Orange Zone - Control zone, more than 10 cases and rising

Yellow Zone - High Surveillance zone, no more than 10 cases and control possible

Green Zone -  Surveillance, with no cases or likelihood of infection

As far as I know the Green zone is now discontinued and all provinces are in one of the red, orange and yellow groups.

By the figures Chonburi should go into the yellow zone but the Governor may only request a downgrade to orange zone which would still impact the massage and entertainment sectors.

The problem is if people are allowed to travel from Bangkok and other provinces and the numbers go up again.

• Red: Large gatherings are banned and health regulations are imposed at commercial establishments, industrial areas, and workers' dormitories. Authorities prohibit migrant workers from leaving the areas and have set up checkpoints at entry and exit points.

• Orange: Public activities are prohibited. Authorities are allowing small-scale private activities, including those among family, friends, and acquaintances. Officials are limiting operating hours for commercial and industrial facilities. Transporting migrant workers out of the state is banned. Celebrations are heavily restricted, large celebrations are banned, and attendance at parties is limited. 

• Yellow: Authorities are enacting enhanced surveillance measures. Scaled-down activities are allowed and officials are imposing measures to reduce crowding. 

• Green: Authorities are permitting small-scale activities and are implementing measures to reduce crowding. 

On 10/7/2020 at 8:05 PM, Kerryd said:

Um, OK. From where to where exactly ? I'm guessing they are waiting for one of the main roads (Pattaya South, Central or North) to be resurfaced and then they will come along weeks later to start tearing it up and constructing the monorail line.

It will be Pattaya Nua no doubt.
The Purple Line will go from the intersection of Pattaya Tai/#2 Road (where the Muang 8 school is) to "Nong Prue" which could be anywhere on the Darkside.
The Red line will run from Jomtien #2 road to Pattaya #2 road and down to the Dolphin Roundabout at the bottom of Pattaya Nua.

Which would mean the Green line probably runs from the Roundabout up North Pattaya Road and over to the not yet built High Speed Train station.

Once it's done (if ever) it might make things a lot easier for a lot of locals.

Getting to Immigration for example, or to some of the big stores/malls downtown like T-21. There may be stops near places like Friendship/Tukcom, Central Festival and Foodland for example.
And of course, the big one right near Jomtien Soi 5, which may prove to be the most popular stop of them all.

fyi

Planned green route

Train station- Pattaya Nua-2nd road- Bali Hai Pier

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Nice try but the article from last night I was referring to lists:

 

Samut Sakhon provincial health office reported that pro-active screening found 104 Myanmar migrant workers and nine Thais infected with the virus and an additional 21 Thais and 14 migrant workers tested positive for the contagion while in hospitals.

 

and not what you indicated.

these are the same figures presented in a different way

on Thai PBS by nationality

from the CCSA by province

read the OP

Of the new cases, 61 were exposed to the virus while visiting high-risk areas. The province with the highest number of infections was Samut Sakhon (35), followed by Bangkok (20) and Rayong (5).

Proactive testing led to the discovery of 116 cases -- 104 foreigners and 9 Thais in Samut Sakhon, two Myanmar nationals in Bangkok and a Thai in Rayong.

Same thing

2 minutes ago, BigStar said:

Obvious from the context. They couldn't and specifically didn't claim that it's a viable business in the long term given the uncertainties of COVID, obviously. Typical investors would need more certainty.

 

So then investors may not be needed later on, but if so a clearer post-COVID financial picture will have emerged. 

 

Your problems lies in confusing Gofundme contributors with "investors" and insisting they be so. They aren't except in an informal sense.  

 

Fortunately people may disagree with your important dictum on appropriateness and may choose to support any cause they feel worthy--as they have in the two cases in question--without firm guarantee of return. Kickstarter campaigns specifically for businesses are somewhat similar if more targeted. People like the product concept, want to support it, may get something out of it or may not.  

I am definitely not confusing investors with a GoFundMe, that is the whole point, there are clear cases where each is appropriate

The Atlanta case cited has more justification because at least the GoFundMe was specifically stated that it could fund the ongoing wages of the staff, but in the case of TQ I do not see any of those details on the gofundme page, only the reference to keeping the bar afloat.

1 hour ago, BigStar said:

Sometimes the better course is to send what some may regard as the wrong signal and have a business rather than have no business at all. 

 

Too simplistic and outside investors may mess things up as they often do. And finding trustworthy reliable investors in Pattaya--or Thailand? Tall order.

 

Why? For love of the place. For example, see this bar that sent the wrong signal:

 

Community Rallies To Save Beloved Atlanta Tavern

 

 

 

And I wont comment on more than 100 other Atlanta restaurants and bars that have closed permanently.

The fact is according to their own press release the amount raised ($180,000) is enough to keep them open through the spring and hopefully to when trading picks up as the vaccination program rolls in and people are allowed out more.

Their statement

So if it is such a viable business, why could they not raise such an amount from an investor

 - possibly they did not want to give up equity or control

 - they did not want to open up the books as an investor would insist on.

These questions above are why a GoFundMe is appropriate for individuals or other charity cases, but not for commercial businesses

2 minutes ago, BigStar said:

This has been the trend for quite some time. Yet TQ was still doing OK and even surviving, after some retrenchment, after the lockdown. If they can reopen they may survive until more tourists return next year. I'm just speculating and hoping, however. 

 

The size has worked well thru the many years and may be regarded as part of the accidental genius of the place. You may be familiar with Churchill's 

 

A chamber formed on the lines of the House of Commons should not be big enough to contain all its members at once without overcrowding, and there should be no question of every member having a separate seat reserved for him. If the House is big enough for all its members, nine-tenths of its debates will be conducted in the depressing atmosphere of an almost empty or half-empty Chamber.…[T]here should be on great occasions a sense of crowd and urgency.

 

I agree about capitalizing more on the history and I've often thought that TQ could use more promotion. In some ways they've preferred to remain low profile and known best to insiders, maintaining a certain mystique (amusing though that idea is in some ways).

 

The "dive bar" concept is pretty unique selling point now that Pattaya has lost most of the great dives it once had. It's amazing how quickly Nevada lost its customer base after it merely remodeled the stage. That was a crime, though less than that of the destruction of King Kong bar on Soi Yodsak. I don't see a gentrified hipster TQ as competing all that well in the current market. But maybe that's cause I like it as is. ???? 

 

 

TQ has had those over the years including body painting. I recall a portrait of Woody or Tom being painted on the back of one of the ladies. Birthday party. ???? The "titty tequila" and lottery was a daily occurrence. Still some, notably at Christmas (snow party) and New Year's when the number of punters can justify the expense and bother. Same with the food menu. "Hungry? TQ food is good food." We're sorta into chicken-and-egg territory now. 

 

 

Nevada used to be a gem, a favourite of mine and I am sure I was their favourite customer

They went downhill, not because of the remodelled stage, but because of the change in management - you can talk to some of the girls who moved from Nevada to TQ if it opens up again.

I hear rumours the old owner may look to come back into the market once the present situation is resolved.

While I have no problems with GoFundMe pages for individuals who have hit hard time, and the staff from the TQ would be a case in point as many were working freelance and now have no income, I do not see these as something that businesses should be doing.

It sends the wrong signal about the business.

If the business is viable then attract investors - for much more than 15k, if the business is so uncertain that it cannot attract investors, and that may well be the case with TQ given the current situation and the discussions over the rental, then why would individuals contribute with no expectation of return for something investors will not touch?

2 minutes ago, jayboy said:

It would amaze me if this was the case.It would not be easy at all.

 

It is the responsibility of embassies to have some system of knowing the numbers and basic details of their citizens resident.Different countries have different methods of doing this.We know the UK abandoned its former system but we don't know what system, if any, it has now.

 

I will pose a hypothetical situation.Suppose there was significant instability in Thailand and the Secretary of State sent the following question to the Embassy.

 

PLEASE ADVISE SOONEST APPROXIMATE NUMBERS OF BRITISH CITIZENS RESIDENT IN THAILAND OTHER THAN TOURISTS.FURTHER PLEASE ADVISE WHAT ARRANGEMENTS YOU HAVE IN PLACE TO CONTACT THEM IN CASE SITUATION DETERIORATES.

 

I wonder how the Embassy would respond.

In fact this was the situation after the Tsunami, the Thai authorities did turn to the embassies to try to find out what nationals were present in Phuket and the outlying islands, and it showed up the flawed systems that most embassies have in place. Thai immigration could only produce a list of people who had entered the country in the last month, and could only provide the details from the TM.6 forms as to where these people were staying, but this was still substantially better than the embassies had 

42 minutes ago, NeoDinosaw said:

I had no idea that Thailand ws buying dirigibles !  Where are they coming from ?

They had one - it crashed

Latest local infections in Thailand today (Saturday 23rd) are 180 of which 163 were in Samut Sakhon, 9 in Bangkok and 5 in Samut Songkhram

That means only 3 in other provinces and I am guessing that Chonburi will be zero or one as it has been in the past 5 days.

The "red-zone" restrictions are not due to be reviewed until the end of the month, but with the inter-provincial travel ban in place is it not time to immediately open up local restaurants and shops for local people to use?  

It won't be much help but it may help a little

In this day and age of electronic records it is not difficult for the Thai immigration to provide to each embassy a list of their nationals in the country - drawn from the records of people incoming at airports, borders, renewing visas, 90 day reporting etc.

The relevant information is all on the passport record

Of courser there will be some who want to evade the system and there are others that may see this as an infringement on liberties but there are some good reasons to do this.

I was here during the tsunami event on boxing day 2004 and after that I was getting a lot of e-mails from people, mostly Swedish, asking either for help in locating people they had lost contact with, or more upsetting, young children where they could not identify the parents.

There are other reasons for having such a list but this is the one that springs to my mind

1 minute ago, John Drake said:

 

Too bad there is no update of countries conducting vaccinations and the rate of vaccinations. Wonder where Thailand stands there.

Have a look here

daily update on vaccinations

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Thailand not yet on the list as it has nit started vaccinating yet

17 hours ago, Masterton said:

 

Complete and utter tosh, as to be expected from you. You have clearly bought into the media narrative which conflates illegal aliens who enter the country unlawfully, with legal immigration. This is too often used tactic by the left to deflect and build a false narrative. Here is what you also don't understand. American citizens, mainly black and other minorities, suffer the most due to unemployment and crime as a result of these poor hard done by culturally enriching angels seeking a better life. Please inform yourself instead of repeating Democrat talking points.

 

 

As above, you are conflating immigrants with illegal aliens. Additionally, the "original American Indians" were also "immigrants". Or did you think they were indigenous to the USA ? Their ancestors migrated from other places such as Mongolia.

 

 

That is patently false. Please inform yourself regarding the list of failed states that were no longer able to vet terrorists that the Obama administration drew up before Trump took office. 

 

 

Here we go again. More debunked falsehoods. Please inform yourself before repeating fake news narratives. Children were separated from parents to determine if they were related and not being trafficked, and was being done before Trump was president. The "cages" you refer to were actually in use and built during the Obama administration. 

 

These are matters of fact and not up for debate. Sigh ????

 

Trump's legacy

"The efforts are part of a wide-ranging campaign to track down parents separated from their children at the U.S. border beginning in 2017 under the Trump administration’s most controversial immigration policy. It is now clear that the parents of 545 of the migrant children still have not been found, according to court documents filed this week in a case challenging the practice.

About 60 of the children were under the age of 5 when they were separated, the documents show"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/21/us/migrant-children-separated.html