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How does this work? If they're not built yet you essentially pay a certain amount per month until they're finished and that's your down payment?

A little more layman oriented I think you're saying the person that put in the box is the electrician's assistant and by backwards you mean reverse neutral and hot ?

Great. But are we in agreement that all the neutrals need to be moved to the left and all of the grounds need to be moved to the top ? No cross-over between? A ground needs to be run to the air conditioner? Fix the splices? What else? Locate it where it can be reached as long as I am doing it? Doesn't that mean new wiring to reach the new location? I;m not going to get that much fixed without a certifying body so grandfather the location?

The green and yellow is a ground. You don't bond neutral to a box inside of a building, right? The two black wires I show are the ground added to keep me from being stray current pained after the new aircon was put in. Those are bonded to the neutral bar but still effective as a ground in this case. The new air con was put in without checking the box or giving it a ground. What needs confirmation there? Who of offical capacity that isn't a Juristiic person already Wil do that? I don't think anyone could make the argument that the person adding ground would have rearranged the entire box like that. Especially when the first ground (greeen) was added before the AC change because of low current stray voltages. I've lived in LOS almost 15 years and I remember 15 years ago anywhere you went it was common to feel low current stray voltages on your appliances dictating have an internal ground or a ground wire. It was so common i had to get the apartment complex I lived in to recognize that problem and they were very quick to install ground wires because of articles that were posted here by experts. I may have missed what exactly a CU is...

Pretty sure the original wiring is blue, white, and brown.. black is either a single new circuit to an outlet ot the only wire they had to add ground later. Look in the top left you see 2 black wires coming in. Those are ground. As is that green and yellow. Now if you're a Thai contractor who routinely does electrical and everything else but are not an electrician and they're using the top bar as a neutral where are you going to connect your grounds? It is al too common in Thai wiring to have neutral ground as it is typically a single provincial home experience. But this is inside of a building. The beginning reality of neutral bonded to ground is the issue. Yes, whoever added ground should have fixed it the original installer didn't know the rest why would any untrained electrician as most contractors are untrained reading books doing their best. For that matter the complaints of needing ground especially when the new aircon was making more high voltage effects on metal surfaces (stray currents?) to where touching an appliance was painful... An air conditioner without a ground wire is bad enough.... Let's consider some sources I am finding based on this convo... The AC still has no ground at all and thus the neural is bonded to ground. Effects on Air Conditioning Units without Proper Grounding: Ensuring proper grounding and bonding in air conditioning (AC) systems is crucial for safety and optimal performance. In Thailand, electrical installations must comply with the Electrical Installation Standard for Thailand (EIT Standard 2001-56), which mandates that the neutral (N) and ground (PE) conductors be bonded together only at the main distribution board (MDB). This practice aligns with the TN-C-S system, prevalent in Thailand. RMUTL Blog • Increased Wear on Compressor and Motors: Without proper grounding, AC compressors and motors can experience stray voltage and current, leading to overheating, insulation breakdown, and eventual failure. The ASHRAE Handbook—HVAC Systems and Equipment emphasizes the importance of proper grounding to prevent such issues. • Impact on Electrical Components (Capacitors and Relays): Capacitors, which provide the necessary starting torque for motors, are sensitive to ungrounded or improperly grounded circuits. Lack of grounding can cause capacitors to overheat or rupture, affecting the entire system's operation. Proper grounding practices are detailed in the ASHRAE Handbook—HVAC Systems and Equipment. • System Flooding and Electrical Arcing: Improper grounding increases the risk of electrical arcing, which can damage refrigerant lines and cause system flooding due to leaks or poor condensation drainage. The ASHRAE Handbook—HVAC Systems and Equipment discusses the importance of grounding in preventing such hazards. Why a New Air Conditioner Without Proper Grounding Is More Dangerous than an Older Unit New air conditioning systems pose a greater risk of shocks and electrical hazards when installed without proper grounding compared to older units. Here’s why: ________________________________________ 1. Advanced Electronics Are More Vulnerable • Sensitive Components: o Modern air conditioners use advanced electronics, including:  Variable Frequency Drives (VFDs) for motor speed control.  Inverter technology for energy efficiency.  Sensors for precise temperature and humidity regulation. o These components require precise grounding to prevent electrical anomalies, which can create hazardous conditions like voltage leaks or stray currents. o Why It’s More Dangerous: Advanced electronics amplify electrical imbalances, creating higher risks of shocks to users and technicians. o Source: (Pumps & Systems) ________________________________________ 2. Stray Currents Are More Severe • Mechanism: o Without grounding, stray currents have no safe path to dissipate, leading to:  High voltage buildup in metallic parts, such as the chassis, compressor, and fan housing.  Potentially lethal shocks when these parts are touched. o Modern units, with their higher power demands and electronics, generate larger stray currents than older systems. o Why It’s More Dangerous: The lack of a ground wire exacerbates the risk of severe electrical shocks, especially during maintenance or usage. ________________________________________ 3. Increased Risk of Electrical Arcing • How It Happens: o Newer units use higher efficiency components that operate at variable speeds. Without proper grounding, these variations can cause electrical arcs in:  Circuit boards.  Junction boxes.  Wiring connections. o Why It’s More Dangerous: Electrical arcs can ignite surrounding materials, increasing the risk of fire. o Source: (ASHRAE Handbook) ________________________________________ 4. Higher Operating Voltages • Voltage Demands in New Systems: o Without grounding, voltage irregularities can create severe overcurrents, damaging components and increasing shock risks. o Why It’s More Dangerous: Older systems with simpler designs and lower power demands were less likely to generate high overvoltages during faults. ________________________________________ 5. Metallic Casings and Safety Features • Metal Components: o Modern units often have metallic outer casings or enclosures for durability and heat dissipation. o In the absence of proper grounding:  Stray currents can charge the casing, turning the entire unit into an electrocution hazard. o Why It’s More Dangerous: Older units, often made of plastic or insulated materials, presented a lower risk of conductive shocks. • Disabled Safety Features: o Many modern ACs include safety mechanisms, such as:  Ground fault circuit interrupters (GFCIs).  Surge protection. o These features rely on proper grounding to function. o Why It’s More Dangerous: Without a ground wire, these safety systems may fail, leaving users unprotected. ________________________________________ 6. Ionization Effects • Static Buildup: o Faulty grounding in modern units can lead to ionization of internal components, creating static charges on surfaces. o Why It’s More Dangerous: This can cause shocks during routine contact and increase wear on electrical components, further amplifying risk. So OK do we know why I didn't touch my cook so, television, computer so I have no choice to install ground wires because ground wires are "not a major repair," when major can be any definition the owner wants?

That it makes no sense inside my box. I'm realizing just how dangerous that situation is. Check this out... Most of the top bar looks like an istall as I said - no outlet grounds so they used the bar for neutral directly violating the neutal to ground rule that should only be at the entry of the building?

Exactly... and so they are the same you had before ground wires were added what? All neutral bonded to ground - dangerous. Adding ground wires you provide a leakage path back but not enough. An aircon that does that... Improperly connecting the ground wire to the neutral can lead to serious hazards. According to the Engineering Institute of Thailand's (EIT) electrical installation standards, "The grounding of the electrical system (the bonding of the neutral to the ground) must be on the supply side of the first circuit breaker in the main switchboard within the same building. "

That still makes no sense... is the left bar neutral? So the breaker attaches to a rail and one rail to one or 2 screws on the left? Different box though. mine can be a differnt setup..

😉 That's an option. Do you consider that a minor repair having a certified electrician not just electrician come and sort it out properly when the office of the condo won't do so in your rental? Let's talk about getting landlords to do something in Thailand if they don't want to and let's talk about their ability

Bangkok, but thanks for the offer 🙂 I now a lot of electricians and EE's

Only juristic offices are qualified and certified other than very large company electricians. That I know of there are no inspection services as those that I can find won't come. "Electricians" IE Western qualified to higher standards, or Thai who routinely contract to do electrical work are not an authority. What does the condominium act say of the Juristic body if they install electrical in the room and don't check the box?

... Yes. I believe the electrical code calls for workmanship but remember those are old brittle wires from an old fuse box being reused and that location can't be reached in an emergency. However I don't think Thailand is as advanced with their electrical code yet to say that anytime work is done it must be brought up to code. Specifically I'm wondering if you removed those green and black ground wires that were added for my safety on the left hand side don't you see some neutral connected to ground as if Willy nilly any bus is OK or is that just my eyes deceiving me?

Well, in fact, what's the new air conditioner was put in the shocks got greater and greater which is all explainable according to the IEEE and even Thai sources. Remember that none of those green wires were there. If none of those green wires were there and nothing else was moved what are you looking at?

Are you saying that not only are some of the neutrals bonded to the ground, but that the case itself is neutral? Which would especially within air conditioner give rise to considerable shocks? If it had been set up that way from the beginning with zero ground wires what would be the implications? Are there any indications that some of the neutral go to the correct neutral bar?

I've never seen one like this just one strip at the top. No buses for hot and neutral is that correct? Is this for an RV or common here? New Cir.2021

Oh... if only so simple... no... far more.

cool. so clearly I am the one that should have to fix this mistake and the damage that it caused the aircon now failing. . I get it now.

Dual whammy: 1) if the landlord replaces a fuse box with a breaker box are they required to upgrade everything to code including installing electrical ground placing the box where it can be reached anything else that might apply? I'm not quite certain what Thailand electric code and how far along it's become 2) if the juristic person adds wiring inside the room are they obligated to inspect that breaker box for any ground faults or anything else?

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Not quite, almost exactly that, say far worse... One of their principles explained it to me while trespassing with several other members of the family in attendance waking me as I slept, “ You live in a police state and we are our own law because the Thai laws are not going to be upheld or enforced. Your supports that help you exercise and drive you places might not come any more just so you know. Quit thinking Immigration will help you, they can't if we don't certify the lease. ... <long anti-government diatribe of power tripping>". Same story you are hearing more and more online. An international human rights agency has helped me get a lawyer here in Thailand... I will still be out all the money spent to defend myself. I' refrain from telling the story here..

Yes, my apologies, my communication abilities despite my overall intelligence given how quickly my Parkinson's disease has advanced... i digress. Not being allowed to say too much here let's just say that I have an issue with my landlord in which he firmly believes that because he's written the lease to be unenforceable in the courts he's his own law as explained to me by the sun. I'm doing my best but the voice typing it doesn't allow me to edit very well it's a research device if you feel like you can help you can PM me and I can share some files

Does anybody have any advice as to what to put in a police report about events that happen? Give me advice from international lawyers that Simply put the story that happened and others where there's saying report the abuse is clearly give the legal provisions and document the health issues caused. I tend to believe the second one and, of course, in what seems to be highly reported on this site and throughout Thailand there's not a single lawyer that will take my case.

In case no one has noticed there is a lot of complaints on here about various civil rights problems that affect Thai people and residents alike. These problems are systemic, in fact. It is incredulous in a civil law country with such robust laws of protection that OCPB should be failing to upholding those laws they are mandated to and law firms can publish online that landlords and businesses like JIB Computer, Asus Corporation, Fastwork, and even Fiverr can operate without impunity. Never heard of OCPB? Need I say more? Part of the consumer protection act mandates that they publicize their services. Uphold your rights. Read the Consumer Protection Act. You should not need a lawyer for almost anything in this country. Do I need a petition? It is how things get changed in Thailand. Presented the right way, I imagine Thai people would very much enjoy not being harassed by employers, attacked in their homes or subject to unfair rents (Contract Control Act for Residential Tenancy - is your landlord following it?)... I digress. How dare I refuse to live in a police state. How dare I stand up to a police officer where his agents are blackmailing me if I don't buy his condo for cash immediately my landlord will never let me out of the lease that has ambiguous terms. A lease cannot have ambiguous terms but if a lawyer does not ensure my rights, my lawyer landlord can still harass me continuously. Will a lawyer represent me? or you? The last 5 I have tried have broken the Lawyer's Act and misrepresented me.

(Voice typing enabled - not an excuse, just an explanation.) I recently learned, that's the way laws tend to get changed in Thailand, it's by petition. We all are thankful for the recent changes to TM 30 law allowing us to file our own. However there's still landlords who don't want to. Whether it be for taxes or just so they don't have to be scrutinized by the government. We all admit that it's difficult to get legal help because in a civil matter you shouldn't need lawyers.“ discuss it with your landlord. If your landlord won't discuss it discuss it with your landlord.” to us westerners that seems absurd. When in Rome come to mind? Over the last 4 1/2 months, for those of you who might be familiar with psychology, imagine a Holmes and Rahe Stress Index score of 3200. For those of you that are not familiar a score of 300 in one year, in a normal healthy adult, would begin to display physical manifestations. Imagine what a score of 3200 over 4 1/2 months does to a man with Parkinson's disease it was doing quite well until then. Why you ask? I worked with immigration to document what they were doing made it so they had no choice but to go to immigration with the lease, stand there all day proving that day were the landlord by getting documents from me via messenger, and now the lease is attached to them. An expired lease. Perfectly normal section 570 of the Thai CCC accounts for this. Misunderstanding that only leases written for more than three years have to be registered forget the fact that an expired lease is an expired lease. Whether it's expired by the date and you continue to live there, or it's expired naturally by the three-year limit, really doesn't matter. This landlord actually told me how he did it. Told me how by not filing with immigration, he avoids scrutiny. Do you really think immigration doesn't know? Didn't know the last four years? Now landlord understands that, you wouldn't believe the things that are happening. Trespasses for corrosion to sign a new lease. Wouldn't you in the face of nearly getting caught decided to step back and start following the law? The new lease is actually following the exact same pattern of purposely going for one year but now has an entrapment for 10 years paying everybody's taxes. They honestly think this is OK. When they came to my door one day they stood there crowds can be. As if they were doing everything right to come and trespass and say, “ get out of the room. Give me the room.” while pointing outside and declaring he's a lawyer and the owner who i is a lawyer, and the owner, that i've never met before in four years. Now we've got defamation. They're telling the neighbors that I'm the one being rude. Said I refuse to pay the rent. When in reality a legal review shows that they changed the entire lease on me. Using legal language in a chat that says that if I make any payment at all, I'm either entrapped to a new lease, or is it the current lease I have has something in it that they're going to hold me to. Their demand letter saying I was late paying the rent had no legal basis whatsoever. I pay the rent by the 10th by convention. It was the 8th and they were trying to say it was eight days late. That if I didn't pay on time they were going to take legal action to hold me to the lease. So I have the least checked out. Yep. The new lease that they've slipped in without my signature certainly doesn't trap me to 10 years. It's kind of like transparency in communication, except being transparent about intentions that should be kept hidden. One has to wonder. Is this real? I ordered a translation of the lease from Fiverr. The woman was so appalled she's willing to send a petition. Not only are these things unlawful. But being done by a lawyer, or let us keep in mind someone who's saying they're a lawyer. Hold certain moral implications. Now add to it a UN Convention that Thailand fully participates in about the rights of people with disabilities. Yet for every time I point out to them the obviousness of what they're doing rather than backing down they do more. In all seriousness I've been through so much in my life then it seems trivial to me but you my Parkinson's disease... I'm totally debilitated. Can't even care for myself anymore. Meanwhile they keep trespassing, coercing, using my disease against me to keep me from going to the police. Having the neighbors do it for them isolating me because what Thai person wants to get involved involved with conflict, at what sane person when there's a lawyer involved who has acted in a volatile manner wants to be a party to that. They don't realize that by helping me, under the disabilities acts, they're actually protected. For those of my brothers and sisters, my fellow expats, I now feel your pains that you've been feeling for the 14 years that I've been here. It petitions the way the laws get changed let's do that. Let's not embarrassed Thailand like we did about TM 30 in the past by discussing the problem of TN 30 online and its potential civil rights or whatever it was everyone was arguing. Let's discuss the need for a petition. It's better for everyone. Effects change. It's doing something about it. I'm not gonna leave it because I simply can't. But if anyone would like to join the petition, one simple e-mail to the civil rights office here in thailand on my behalf I'll be happy to tell you the story. And yes, i'm smiling. I've been here for 14 years. I know how to smile 😉 I'll come check on this every few days if I can. Have gone through some pretty extensive recovery right now that I really can't recover because the stress isn't over. I've gotta have relief from them enough to be able to build the police report over 4 1/2 months spanning 300 documents. Any volunteers ha ha ha?