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If you trust the City Hall data, please contact me about some oceanfront property in Nevada, USA.  I saw the place 20 years ago (actually as far back as 30 years ago).  We did not have a major beach erosion problem back then.  The beach erosion problem started or became evident after the widespread destruction of the old-growth trees, around 2002-2003.  The destruction of more and more old-growth trees since then has greatly exacerbated the beach erosion problem.  The sea current patterns were no doubt similar over the past 20-30 years.  What other variable could have caused this problem?  Think about it.

There is a simple fact that is being overlooked:  We did not have a beach erosion problem until after most of the old-growth trees (that mitigated beach erosion) were destroyed by the City.  The created this problem themselves.  Even today they have no understanding of the beach mitigation role the two most prominent old-growth trees (the Ironwood tree and the Asian almond tree) play.  Ignorance is bliss.  Another factor is the unsustainable development that has taken place over the past 20 years.  The issue of "sea current direction" is a straw man that diverts attention away from the actual source of the problem.  Unfortunately, the same morons that have made a mess of Pattaya beach also messed up Jomtien beach.  Jomtien beach now has a major beach erosion problem, and for the same reasons.

Just tried the place again.  It was good.  I ordered  aloo paratha, chicken butter masala, and plain bismati rice.   Suggestions:  spend extra money for the bismati rice with fragrant spices (several rice choices), avoid the thali and order one or more of the main dishes.  I am looking forward to trying their palak paneer on my next visit.  The nice and helpful staff made food suggestions and changed my order to "chicken breast only" when I told the waiter I did not want thighs or legs in the chicken masala.  Everything is fresh, so be prepared to wait a bit.

On 11/1/2016 at 5:51 PM, MANFROMBOCA said:

the breakfast may be good and he pizza may be good i dont know i went there for the pastrami on rye and it sucked like eating cardboard NOTHING like a NYC deli sandwich should  or does taste

The pastrami was like cardboard?  The bread?  Do you mean too dry?  Not enough fat content?  All I know is that the Reuben sandwich is good and probably the best you will find in Asia.   I think that if you have a complaint about the quality of the pastrami on rye sandwich you should suggest to the owner in a "calm voice" how to make it better.   The owners are receptive and will listen to customers.

Just ate at Bollywood.  I ordered a non-veg Thali.  The small Thali (they also have a large Thaili) came with a chicken curry, a yellow dal, rice, nan, and gulab jaman for desert.  I liked it, especially the spectacular rice--a long grain Indian rice that was cooked to perfection.  The other menu items seemed similar to the less expensive Indian Rasoi down the road (you don't get that same rice with a Thali at Indian Rasoi).  I will try it again and probably skip the Thali for some more interesting menu items.   The interior is interesting and the staff helpful.

1 hour ago, little mary sunshine said:

 

 

This is use to be a good restaurant, have you been lately?

it sucks!!  New York Pizza in Pattaya hasthe best American

 Style pie in Pattaya.  Don't know what happened to Pastrami on

Rye, maybe new owner.

I disagree. Pastrami on Rye is one of the best places in town--great breakfast menu, very good NYC Deli sandwiches (or as close as you are going to get to that in Asia), and the best pizza in town. 

14 minutes ago, HLover said:

Subway used the same chemical found in yoga mats to keep their bread fresh, not sure it's a good food  choice.

Subway azodicarbonamide is a chemical used “in the production of foamed plastics.” It’s used to make sneaker soles and yoga mats.

It’s also used in almost all of your Subway sandwiches, is banned across the globe, and The World Health Organization has linked it to respiratory issues, allergies and asthma. Some studies show that when heated, azodicarbonamide turns into a carcinogen.

 

Google: subway yoga mat, for more details. 

That was prior to 2014, when Subway decided to remove it, even though the FDA considers it safe:

Quote from representative of Subway in 2014:

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

So perhaps it's on their special cheap price promotion options where you can't customize? 

You can customize the vegetables and bread on any order, including the promotions.  I would, however, suggest that you have them toast the bread before adding the vegetables to get that "crunch."   Is Subway similar to Pastrami on Rye?  No. But it is what it is, the same way Taco Bell is what it is.  Usually, given Subway's extensive choices, a person can find something they like.  And after that, when you want a great Reuben that you cannot get at Subway (among other sandwiches),  go to Pastrami on Rye.

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I've never done Subway in Thailand, but now I'm curious. Do you get to call out toppings yourself, or not? The few times I did try it in the U.S. that was a big part of their branding, that you did. So it's interesting to me if they changed that policy in Thailand. I would kind of understand that ... you need higher skill workers to pull that off. 

 You can select different breads, sauces, meats and vegetables.   U can also have them toast the bread w/ cheese and meats before adding the vegetables.   I think they have black olives, jalapenos, purple onions, lettuce, tomato, cucumber, bell pepper, pickles......maybe a few more items.

2 hours ago, Roger Lee said:

 

I've been addicted to their meatball subs lately, not bad.  Pastrami & Rye or Richman Poorman have them beat of course but as mentioned above, more options are good.

Good point about Pastrami on Rye and RMPM.  Subway does not come close to the quality of the sandwiches at those two places (much higher quality at Pastrami on Rye and RMPM).   But, Subway  is a good and cheap option.  I hope the place survives and its success provides and incentive for other food chains to come to Jomtien, specifically Taco Bell, which I think is much better than what we have now

3 hours ago, Henryford said:

How much are Subways these days, haven't had one in ages.

They have a 6 inch special now for 99 bhat.  

I ate there on opening day.  Good choice of breads and vegetables and meats.  OK for the price, clean and fresh food.   The manager and staff are trying to figure it all out--normal on the first day of any business.

4 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

Wasn't the idea to make it a promenade (i.e. for walking) rather than a place for prostitutes and other undesirables to loiter?

I do not think the renovations in both Pattaya and Jomtien were focused on people at all.   Rather, the projects were designed so that a certain company could make a lot of money off of planting and selling palm trees.  The promenades also seem to have been designed to maximize beach erosion (but it is likely the "planners" are clueless on this point).  The old promenade designs were far more people friendly.  City Hall deserves a grade of  "F" for this project.

15 hours ago, hyku1147 said:

LOL. Years later, JS is still belligerently proud of 'New Beach Walkway' AKA The Disaster.

People who suffer from narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) never make mistakes and are never wrong.   And they attack people who disagree with their view of the world.  It is pointless to argue with people with NPD.

2 hours ago, JSixpack said:

 

And how many times, after all. Sigh. But this is excellent progress: the sudden revelation that "they" don't care what we think. Most commendable. OK, there's one more major logical conclusion yet to be drawn . . . but where would be the fun in that. :)

 

 

I thought nowadays you're very conscious about posters staying on topic. Your topic doesn't extend farther than Central Rd. You're screwed!

 

Well, we're just gon' grasp at every straw to deny reality. So painful, eh. Having often driven Beach Rd. for many years, all seasons, all conditions, I know that traffic flow is far better now with the extra lane even given the increase in tour buses--which would absolutely choke the narrower version before the bottleneck. So, guess you'll have to either suck it up or remain a, ah, traffic flow Truther, LOL. I'm happy to agree to disagree on this topic, being the driver.

 

Now to get, like, really really technical for you, I'm of course talking about all of Beach Rd. up to Central Rd. but also to the bottleneck at the end. Now if an extra lane at the end would speed up traffic at the bottleneck, then an extra lane before the bottleneck must have helped the flow up to that point. :)

 

I'm gratified that our ace urban planners and traffic engineers have taken my cue to roll out the the real solution for the thousandth time. :) And it's finally been discovered that lo! corruption of all things exists in our beloved cesspool! Now that in itself is invaluable, "insider" information.

 

Now what's gone terribly missing in this recitation of old mantras is: the denunciation of the sewage pump! Get on it. Another piece of critical evidence, a nail in the coffin in forum-speak, in the great ongoing campaign to prove, once & for all, that Pattaya is physically, positively, absolutely (w/ apologies to the Munchkins) NOT no family resort! Ah ha! So there.

 

And it's fun also to point out that there's now quite a sufficiency of shade on the new promenade. Foot traffic is as good or better than it was even with the diminished coconut bar activity. :) Jeez.

NPD: narcissistic personality disorder

On 9/22/2016 at 1:15 PM, NickJ said:

I just called him. He's not there.

Happy Birthday Eddie.

Happy birthday old fart :)  I have to say your ribs and special BBQ sauce are very good.

I think the same incompetent contractor was responsible for the promenade disaster in Jomtien.  It is filthy, parts of it have collapsed, other parts are near collapse, parts are "bending" and "cracking", the beautiful old growth trees and their shade are gone along with the once relaxing seating areas, and the steps leading to the beach (that were totally unnecessary) are causing massive erosion.  The entire design is a perfect example of what not to do in terms of beach renovation and promenade construction.  Totally FUBAR!

13 minutes ago, newnative said:

Drunk on a bench doesn't measure anything in my opinion--except maybe poor judgment.  In many places you would be rounded up by the police and thrown into the drunk tank. 

No comment and it would be nice not to attempt to hijack this thread.

1 hour ago, newnative said:

I think when people who are living in Pattaya year-round are weighing the pros and cons of whether the quality of life is going up or down, I doubt many will put much weight  in the fact that you used to be able to 'get drunk and fall sleep on a bench'  and nobody would bother you.  Not sure you'd want to try that anywhere these days. 

Of course they would as it is a "proxy measure of crime."  The main point is that crime has increased over time.  The beachfronts in Pattaya-Jomtien, in particular, seem to be a haven for criminals, especially late at night. Am I shaking in my moccasins?  No, but rising crime is not something that anybody wants to see, and it does have a very negative impact on quality of life.  Whether crime is increasing or decreasing outside of Pattaya-Jomtien or outside of Thailand is totally irrelevant to this discussion.

6 hours ago, DSJPC said:

does the QOL ever increase anywhere in the world??

That is an excellent question with no easy answer.  IMHO, development and associated quality of life passes through three phases:  1) underdeveloped (quality of life not optimal), 2) neither underdeveloped nor overdeveloped (quality of life optimal), and 3) overdeveloped (quality of life not optimal).  Yes, bit of a gross generalization but I think there is some truth to this.  The "cancer cell mantra" that "all growth is good" seems to move us from phase 2 to phase 3.  The lack of proper development planning obviously plays an important role, coupled with our insane and unsustainable desire to create endless copies of ourselves.  I think we are in the third phase in Pattaya-Jomtien. 

13 minutes ago, LennyW said:

Realists will always see improvement and expansion as an increase in the quality of life, tree huggers and sentimentalists will always yearn for times gone by regardless of the benefits for everyone else.

Spoken just like a cancer cell.   Improvement and expansion are fine if they involve development that is humane, equitable and environmentally sound (sustainable development).  Most sane people do not believe "expansion" in terms of air, water and soil pollution is good, or that expansion in terms of garbage is good (just ask the people who live on Kho Larn), or that expansion in terms of crime is good.   "Tree huggers?"  Do you have any knowledge of biology/ecology?  A hint for you:  trees/forests/plants are extremely valuable, especially for animal species (I am assuming you are a human animal) that value oxygen.  They also absorb (temporarily sequester) CO2, which is heating up the planet.  And "benefits" are currently not going to "everyone else."  Do you have any knowledge at all of economic inequality worldwide?  Nobody is saying growth is inherently bad or that we have not seen positive improvements in Pattaya-Jomtien.  It is obvious that the outcomes of development here have been both positive and negative.  The question remains:  On balance, has Pattaya-Jomtien seen an overall increase or decrease in quality of life?

4 hours ago, Scotwight said:

Don't you think the survey should be limited to people who have actually visited Pattaya?  Reading about it on TV one would think everyone was going to turn into a pillar of salt any second.  

Yes, and only people who have actually been here 10 years (or have a 10 year perspective on the place) should participate in the poll.  People who have been here under 10 years are unable to answer the question truthfully because they have no real idea what Pattaya-Jomtien was like 10 years ago.

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Violent gangs?

I haven't heard that before. There has been a street crime problem in Pattaya since Purachai tried to destroy the farang scene, but it was just guys on m'bikes snatching gold necklaces and bags. You are implying something more serious and organised.

How bad is it?

It is bad and growing worse.  Now they are congregating along Jomtien Beach.  Be careful.  The news is already filled with evidence of violence among youth gangs in the area.  I am checking out of this thread now.  Be sure and vote on whether or not the quality of life in Pattaya-Jomtien has increased or decreased over the past ten years (another thread I constructed this morning).

1 hour ago, Rimmer said:

Multiple bickering baiting and flaming posts have been removed, also replies.

This off topic nonsense can stop now please

Fine with me.  We are going around in a circle, getting nowhere.  I just constructed a poll, which the OP encouraged me to do.  Unfortunately, only three questions could be asked, so I decided to limit it to one:  Over the past ten years, has the quality of life increased or decreased in Pattaya-Jomtien.  I wanted to get input on crime (including the new phenomenon of violent gangs), air pollution, water pollution, noise pollution, infrastructure, medical care, housing/condo availability, food options (including imported food), etc.  

This is a poll to assess whether or not the overall quality of life in Pattaya-Jomtien has increased or decreased over the past ten years.  Please consider quality of life in terms of the following:  crime, pollution (air, water, noise), medical care, food choices (e.g. imported food, etc), infrastructure (streets, water, electricity), internet quality, traffic (including parking), beachfront development, green spaces, hotels/condos, and type of people coming here.  There are probably other things to consider, but all of these things impact quality of life.