yesterday

When lucky enough to be dining at Chez Marcos everyday is Christmas dinner it is so good no matter what you order! Merry Christmas and happy Ho Ho's for all!!

is the new location somewhere near the windmill restaurant and across from the Siwalee housing?

Pizza not great but spectacular ! The best pizza American or New York style in not only chiang mai but in Southeast Asia. The nemrods belching different are just typical tv cry babies ..

the onion rings are great two served with thousand island type sauce come out quick great with beer while waiting on the pizza ,gets crowded since the Thai collage set discovered his place.

sausage,mushroom,onion,green pepper with double cheese if you please with the new york style crust . We like the spicy sauce but it has a good kick so be ready. the lasagna with meat sauce and sausage with extra cheese for everyone working on their futue heart attack is double what you get elsewhere it is a monster so be hungry!

Fact : you buy teak.... a 10 wheel truckload if you want as a farang, you do your whole house ,u make your toys but just buy from local sawmill ,legal teak and keep your receipt.. What you make you make for yourself not resale.

Thailand is a free market society meaning you got the cash welcome to spend it ,just do it according the the rules.The previous statement above was just more tv bs.

If my dog had hands he could do the same here.

I'm not retired, but reading that you have to have 800k baht in the bank is silly.

How was that magical number agreed upon? Are you suddenly more responsible with 800k than if you only had 500k? What about if you have 800 million baht, any special perks?

And what if the baht tanks and your 800k is worth only 80% of that, or less. Do they take that into consideration?

It would seem to me that having health insurance and perhaps a clean police report that should be the determining factor, instead of a number they pulled from thin air that you are to have in the bank. I can't imagine in today's world that everyone has 800k extra to toss in a Thai bank, yet they are financially capable of living here just fine.

Good post, but don't use logic it gets wasted here. TIT

The world is a very large place with so many deadbeats , if Thailand had no strict rules it would be even more awash with aging indigents. Please review the " help a broke, elderly farang" thread. One must ask what the heck they are doing broke in a developing country with so many Thai residents in need.

Thailand certainly doesn't need any more of this " in need ,broke farang" types and by having the system where the farang must have done something in 50 plus years of life , to have earned and saved 800,000 baht nest egg is very reasonable, in fact a deal!. If the farang has less than funds needed for say a emergency surgery(800,000baht) then they really need to be in their own country .Living the "Life of Riley" in tropical paradise splender is not some human right but a choice for both the farang and the Thai authorities with the Thai's calling the shots ,,simple as that..

The line has to be drawn somewhere ,as far as the amount ,so just be happy it is not three million baht or say five million that would be a real problem for many farangs.

I miss the Filmore East. The operation might have been a little shady, but the American steaks were not (usually) frozen, cooked over a flame and really good.

a good replacement is Chez Marcos filet, aged beef . Now for many the best steak deal in town for the real taste of grilled aged beef, the real deal .... Marcos is up town at 450 baht for the best Filet with the real sause in Chiang Mai , well worth it.and certainly surpases Filmore East ,his the last place on the river never was at the first place . UG, Try Marcos aged beef you'll most likely agree.!!

Each to their own,live and let live,whatever floats your boat ,any port in a storm.......

I am the 10,230th view here. Forgot to note which poster number I have. A fair amount of the discussion previously, some posts really quite thoughtful, has been of interest on the impact of a "Loi Khroh"area on a town, the impact on people who live and work there, and people who visit it. But, this thread has increasingly turned into a place for horny males to express adolescent fantasies, to find and or evaluate a good lay or whatever. I am not an old "school marm," but why should TV be turned into guide for immature types to find out where the "action" is? It would be better to jerk off by yourself or get jerked off somewhere else. Please. :jap:

Very conflicted,,ambivelent and sad post .

You talk of T.V. "turned into a place horny males express adolescent fanasies" then go on with "TV has been turned into guide for immature types"

It seems you harbor great disdain for us normal, healthy TV males . .

What is hilarious is you then 'expose" your true nature in your last few words proclaiming, Quote: " better to j...off by yourself "

What ?

o.K., but i think we T.V. ers we will leave that to you!

Loh Khroh is now looking grand !!

Yeah, put it in a bank, we've seen how much we can trust banks, right !

Worrorot market.

1 road back from the riverside road.

Head down this road away from Worrorot towards Tapae.

Look up, you'll see a pedestrian bridge.

Where the bridge joins the ground on the right there a very small gold shop.

One of many in the area.

50 Baht commission.

Thanks this was the information that my friend was looking for.

You go to a tiny shop to save 2 dollars while spending thousands, Question : how do you know they are pure un cut bars? What stops shops form cutting the gold just 1-2% ?

With gold cost so high now 1 -2% is strong money if cutting it in any numbers? The typical gold test kit does not tell you exact % of purity ,right?

If I did then I wouldn't need to post to see what other people's views are..

I'm fully expecting that some people arrived here with a 40 foot container showing up at Laem Chabang shortly after their arrival. Still, even those people's attitudes towards what they consider their key possessions may have shifted in their time in Thailand..

I guess another good question is: which percentage of your current posessions originated in Thailand, and which were brought from 'home' ?

For me, there isn't a shred around me that came from home.. I don't even know where the hobo bag went.

You made yourself clear ,got it. now.

suitcase ,

then 40 foot container in,

then 100 40 foot containers out ....

what a place ,what a paradise!!!

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Returning from Hang Dong the other day, late for an appointment and with my wife on a quick errand next door, I popped into Pizza & Pasta in the hope of buying a slice. This is exactly how it went:

Me: "Hi, do you have a slice of any variety?"

Owner (glancing up from his computer): "Friday, Saturday, Sunday." (looks back at computer).

Unbelievable.

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Maybe not so unbelievable.

Swung by Pizza n Pasta last Friday at about 8pm to be told that they were closed, "come back tomorrow", even though 3 people were there sorting ingredients. Weird way to run a business especially on a Friday night.

I'm getting more and more convinced that Pizza & Pasta is not actually a restaurant. Always empty, there is absolutely no way that this place is making money selling food.

You guys are in need.... of what not sure but ... one asked and was told when pizza by the slice was on," Fri. Sat.,Sun ",you asked a question you received an answer, what else do you need ?A little jig or something? The man answered your question . Then the kwai , the cake taker.... comes on blast the place for no reason other than to hear the click ,lickity click of his keys ... compulsive poster . The place is very much open and great ,The taste beats out these places that advertise everywhere too. . Last sat. we were there pizza by the slice went at 5:30 there till 7:30pm great but pouring rain as hard as it comes down so had to sit a while.

Yet someone says they came in at 8pm and the was closed? Very strange story since the place had 3 other tabels going on strong when we left..

The food is killer (in a tasty way) and some of the best in CM for New York style italian.

I honeslty can not comment on the place over a year ago in a different location ,could care less . Never looked at TV back then so was not hip. Kwai less or not this place kicks butt for both pizza and lasagna !! A true taste sensation !!

Hit the place again this week as we pasted by on canel road. Now a beautiful , new expanded menu with so many choices , WOW!! some of the best taste in CM ,a true treat!! , But for U.S. southern stye fallen off the bone ribs then it is the Coaches down over a street ..

You are thinking everybody fits into your collective hobo bag ....

...The Pasta and Pizza...has no ribs...

Perhaps it has. This looks like ribs to me:

Source:

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We have now eaten at Coaches rib house 3 times and all three times left happy ,the ribs are not a fluke ,the are very good. looking at the Pasta and Pizza photo of their ribs sells coaches ribs for them!! pasta and pizza photo looks like what you buy on the side of the street which is fine for tough, grilled cooked in 1 hour ribs. Coaches ribs: rubs seasoning into them marinades for a full day then day two slow cooks them for a full day .This is what ,how the owner discribe his process. We had a pizza too at coaches which we enjoyed but just down the street is Pasta and Pizza .... now if somehow the two were in one....

Just back from 'Happy Pizza'- location; past Big C intersection on Hang Dong rd.(heading south) 1st. soi on left, after 7/11,just before turn around..... a nice hole in the wall,can't miss it.

Had med. Hawaii + beer = 200thb ,Very Italian,even the Thai's are speaking Italian.

Typical thin-crust pizza with very stingy topping,ham isn't that expensive! Won't bother with the cardboard & tomato paste next time but will try the pasta dishes that the Italian customers and Thai counterparts were feasting upon. Very hospitable owner.

Western food two nights back to back and I have reached my Farange-food craving quota for the month. Back to fresh food with natural flavor!!.... nuff said

We must have just missed each other as I got there at 8 and you weren't there then!

I had a large Naopli pizza for 220 baht, (anchovies and black olives) Quite delicious... sat round with friends and the staff there chatting till 11pm before gently wending my way home ...

David

New York style crust w/ the spicy sause with sausage,green pepper,onions cooked crispy as he can get it ... @ the Pasta& Pizza is the best New york American style pizza in CM .blowing away all the others ! If you are looking for New York Style American for sure, then order New York style crust .....this pizza if you flew home to New York you would have tough time to find better, the secret is in the crust and this guy has it down. Must try happy pizza but need to ask ...what makes it happy?? special herbs? best pizza best ribs not far apart but out of town bit of a drive but not bad for such tasty treats!

Sorry if this has been answered before, but where is Pasta & Pizza?

You are on another thread saying you ate there a year ago and you hated it?? yet here you do not know where it is? well maybe like so many of us this lapse is a age related thing. ....Myself and several others who have actually eaten there recently beg to differ with your opinion !! pasta and Pizza shows ribs but looking at them....well go down the street to Coaches for the best slow cooked falling of the bone fresh ribs in town. Go to Pasta and pizza which is a pizza place order pizza or lasagna skip all the other stuff you would be doing yourself a favor since it is the best New York style pizza in CM. So...eat the best ,skip the rest!!

You gotta give the guy at P & P credit, works very hard,he really does try and he sticks to his guns, everybody gets their own followers and get better and more experienced as time goes by!

The Pasta and Pizza having the best New York style crust , hands down the tastiest American pizza in CM would now be more the standard ,the teacher if you will he has crested with the finest New york style American pizza . Being a pizza guy from New York he picked the crust part of the pizza equation quite well I would think state side . Again, the fresh made to order sausage lasagna is remarkable too ,

A few people I know fell for that line quite a while ago, but were very disappointed when they actually visited Pizza-n-Pasta. I would put it about on par with Paradise Pizza which is in the "OK for Thailand" category.

The Pizza Rusica shop smelled great, but was not much better than Paradise Pizza either.

UG, I have to call you on this one for two reasons, first for a man who very recently say he doesn't "badger" a business ....well you went and did exactly that ! The real kicker is you have never been there in your life, right? Your above post you imply you know something about pizza and pasta through others? May I ask who? You are blasting a place for no good reason ,you somehow feel the need yet you have never been there ! I have been there several times and in a few of my visits i taken others there.This is key info here.... Everybody has thanked me for turning them on to the best New York Style pizza in town and now eat there regularly . It is all in the crust and for a New York style pizza this place is it ,To compare it to paradie pizza is so.so far off ... I have eaten at paradise and for pizza by the slice it is o.k. but not even in the same league as pizza and pasta . I have eaten enough pizzas at the place you are # 1 cheerleader for too , it is fine too and much better than Pardise but sadly more than one time the pizza crust is saggy you try to pick up a piece and it all flops off. Since it is all in the crust and the New York style crust is exactly what the New York guy has got going at his Pasta and Pizza joint which by the way has an ac room too which is nice now. Far superior to any American pizza joint in CM. Italian pizzas to each their own any are very good at least o.k. but since it is all in the crust the Italian jobs have much trouble competing for the sytle crust i require to be happy..

In closing , we may forgive you in time for this very poor post above but meanwhile I urge you to acually visit Pasta and Pizza you will be very pleasantly surprised. also maybe even better for some, the best "FRESH MADE" lasagna in town , at 129baht it is a lost leader and unbelievable on his good days since the New York guy actually makes everrything. Try the sausage lasagna it is a true treat! The place is sometimes very busy and a guy who i showed the place to told me a few days ago that he has a pizza buffet going now, not sure when or how much ... i would order standard New York style crust,he has 4 kinds ,,,, I finally tried the thin new york and it is o.k. but the true new york crust is so good... hot out of the oven on his good days none better ! order the proper crust his regular New York style crust is the winner.

Sawasdee Khrup, Khun Delphis,

Welcome to Thailand, Chiang Mai, and the ThaiVisa forum !

We love cats, as we're sure you do, but we would never subject (apparently several cats ?) a cat to international migration, let alone to living in two different homes here.

best, ~o37;

Why? . If in fact you love your cats then you have no choice anyway.... The question is not should I, the question for any animal lover is: how do I do this?.

To say leave your cats at home is silly . Animals shake things off quick, very quick.

A 12-24 hour trip is a cat cake walk .

Send them to the moon and back they sleep 20 hours a day so they miss most of any trip..

I am not sure why you would not subject your cats to international migration.

A religious thing ? A cat culture thing perhaps? Expound please.

Well no matter time for a cat nap.

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I don't doubt this account. I'm sure Boy and whoever told him that were both sincere. But someone else at immigration could decide otherwise at any time. The issue is not with definition of the law but hazy interpretation & enforcement. It's a part of life in Thailand that we at times love & at times loathe. But for sure if laws were strictly & evenly enforced (at least to the degree they are in the west), then Thailand and many of our lives here would look very different.

No, I think the issue is most definitely with the definition of the law. The way the law defines work (and thus requirement to have a work permit) encompasses every action - it therefore applies to any and every non national entering the country at any time. This is patently wrong. The law IS the issue as it affords carte blanche authority to arrest any non national for any action that is not covered by a work permit (like traveling to work - even if you have a WP for that place of work). The fact that it is not usually enforced does not make it a valid law, jus that the authorities try to work with it with some logic. The law needs to be ammended and clarified so immigration, the courts and the police can prosecute it properly and so that visitors (of any type) know where they stand and can avoid breaking the law. As it stands it is undefined and all encompassing which is a ridiculous state of affairs.

Kind of reminds one of lèse majesté, doesn't it? Funny about that.

I am sorry I upset you to the point of you sending me a rude inflammatory private message . Therefore I will try to explain my humor on this particular thread.

"The click your heels 3 time" is from the Wizard of Oz ,a classic and was somewhat of a joke but at the same time a reminder to everyone upset with Thailand due to the arrest of people working without proper documents. The point iwas simply unlike Nazi Germany's Jewish community, that some of you guys found the need to compare Thailand situation too, we are not locked up in camps here ,we have a free choice to stay or go home. We as tourist and/or non immigrant visa holders are in no position and never will be to confront Thai law.Regardless I do apologise for not being clear and/or making fun which apparently is inflammatory.Do try to remember when you are in situations that you find yourself with no real control over the best thing to do is laugh at it and move on.

The Pasta and Pizza has 3 or 4 crust types one of which is a "thin crust " which I have never tried.

He has no ribs so for that you need to drive over to Coaches nearby

....where is P & P located?

on corner of canal road and samoung (sp) road hard to miss it. Remember New York style crust,spicy sause, sausage,green pepper ,onion cook it crispy as you can . If you enjoy those things on a pizza you will find this is the best in CM. I am not sure of anything else as far as toppings go there. . Used to do double cheese but it was too much cheese. Now we get the smaller pizza followed by a lasagna (sausage) @129.00 baht a deal!! he makes the lasagna to order ,the lasagna is not in a big pan frozen weeks old ,it is fresh and most times a treat .I have had the lasagna a dozen times sometimes he out does himself ,sometimes it is just good. The New york style pizza is the way in front leader ,that is what you go there for.

Yeh sorry guys, we go for thin Italian style, i don't try to compete, i've never been to NYC, but have been to Naples and Rome, that's where i get it from, oh by the way, i am an Australian who speaks many languages, come have a great home made pasta, i'm fully confident you'll love it, but don't ask for ketchup!!!! :lol:

Certainly stick with what you know ,the common, regular thin crust. For to master,to make a true New York style crust is very tough and takes a true chef ,a master. Many have tried in Cm and all but one have failed .The guy at Pasta - Pizza has perfected the true ,rare, one of a kind New York style crust! What a taste,what a texture , like no other and certainly so different from the hundreds of the everybody ,anybody thin crust we find everywhere..

.The Pasta and Pizza has 3 or 4 crust types one of which is a "thin crust " which I have never tried.

He has no ribs so for that you need to drive over to Coaches nearby or venture to CM to the Salsa kitchen or the CM stand by the Dukes for in town good ribs.

Ok, that make a bit more sense. So this was not a band, just five guys that showed up and played a few songs together?

My understanding is that this is what happened. Nobody's given any specifics except that it was a very unexpected thing, because jamming is a tradition at North Gate. This is the kind of fun that a musician on holiday does. And if there are some non-working musicians in Chiengmai, they might occasionally drop in here. I live in Bkk and occasionally sit in at Saxophone or other places. The Oriental Hotel has a jam session on Sunday nights, I go there sometimes. This is a standard part of a jazz musician's world, and not a place where anyone ever expects to get paid. Non-musicians may not know this, but for us it's a social event and a learning event, and keeps us in touch with our music. I don't think this can be called "work," at least not legitimately.

So far I've only heard of one guy out of all of this who actually was working, where according to what I'd consider the law he was legitimately busted. Maybe there are more. But the ones at North Gate, I doubt it very much. The place is famous in musician circles as a place to jam.

Actually it is probably not "five guys who got up together." When I got up the first time, there were 2 sax players from Australia sitting in, so in addition to the 5-piece band, there were 3 more. The band called a tune after consulting with us, then we played on that tune. The second time I was the only one, and they invited me up, and I did one or 2 tunes, can't remember. It was fun, they were a good bunch. The whole thing was a positive experience, no downside.

I agree that this could prove to be a slippery slope in regards to how and when foreigners can/will be charged with "working" in public, but the examples listed are bogus. Nobody has been charged with doing their own gardening at their home or DJ'ing a party at there home. I've heard someone make allusions to something happening a long time ago.....etc.(urban legend)

I am not happy to hear that people are incarcerated, but I believe there is more to this case than some people playing music one time while they are on vacation here in Thailand.

BTW, was this an "open mic" night where anybody can get up on stage, or was this a jam session with just one band playing for a few songs? We were also talking about retirement visa and what is permissable with a retirement visa, am I right in assuming these guys are older and on retirement visas?

I see a lot of confusion here. I tried to help clear this up before, but quit after someone accused me of being long-winded. Will try to be brief:

1. One of these cases involves at least one farang who was doing something illegal, I think everyone can agree . . . he was a regular on the gig and did not have a work permit for it. This is not what we are talking about. If he broke the law, he takes the consequences. End of story. We don't need to talk about that anymore. But the SECOND bust, which is the one that got my attention, was not like that.

2. As I understand it, the case at the North Gate was completely different. "jamming" is what I did when I was there in February. Got up, played a couple of songs, went back, nursed my beer, and listened. Two days later I went back to Bangkok. This is what "jamming" is. Thais don't get paid for it when they sit in, and neither do Farangs. Musicians know that when they come to Chiengmai they can sit in at North Gate, so it's on their itinerary. None of these people come all the time, but different people come in on different days or weeks, usually just for a tune or two. Nobody ever gets paid for jamming. Apparently some farangs who were jamming there one night, doing pretty much what I did, got thrown in the pokey for it. THIS is the issue: was THIS illegal?

Some say yes, some say no. I say that as far as I can see, it's "no." Since it's not a service that is paid for, no matter whether a Thai does it or someone of any other nationality does it, I do not see how it falls under the work permit law.

A lot of people on this thread have said very pious words to the effect that farangs breaking the law deserve to be punished, and some have even specified their preferred punishment, which included being banned from the country for life. I assume that these critics themselves live in houses not made of glass, to throw such righteous stones, but I'm wondering if they, or most of the people here, really know what "jamming" is and have a good reason for thinking it's illegal.

North Gate, as many jazz clubs worldwide, has a kind of perpetual open mike. They pay all-Thai bands to play there (some quite good) and they get some respectable foreign tourist/musicians through, and lots of folks get up there and play. The audience enjoys it, the Thai musicians usually enjoy it, and of course the farang musicians have fun. Nobody loses work, because the band would not be hiring extra players if no one sat in.

Surely everyone knows that the police in Thailand have many other reasons for busting people than that they might be breaking a law. This, also, has been pointed out.

This, casual jamming, not the clear breaking of the work permit law, is the issue here.

What? de jaz club different than the other place, no, not at all, you had a bar owner with boys playing without work permits,it doesn't mattter jambing,cramming,soft landings,piwamming hellssaming,call it what you will and get over it..., wright all the BS in the world it changes nothing and is just getting darn silly too.

The jaz club is a biz making $ off selling drinks using Tuesday night to rake it in using -WORKING the people ,the musicains to make a profit selling his booze,non paid? No the palce charges money it is a working business. get it? It is called working ,the bar is a working money making place,it is not a charity you find no monks or nuns ,you have to pay to drink there it ain't free ,get it now??

Making $ not paying Thai's on Tuesday ,not paying legal Joes with work permits is illegal doing it for love of music ,in memory of Billy tayler and George Shearing,"it doesn't mean sh-- to a tree" here so get over it...

Just back from 'Happy Pizza'- location; past Big C intersection on Hang Dong rd.(heading south) 1st. soi on left, after 7/11,just before turn around..... a nice hole in the wall,can't miss it.

Had med. Hawaii + beer = 200thb ,Very Italian,even the Thai's are speaking Italian.

Typical thin-crust pizza with very stingy topping,ham isn't that expensive! Won't bother with the cardboard & tomato paste next time but will try the pasta dishes that the Italian customers and Thai counterparts were feasting upon. Very hospitable owner.

Western food two nights back to back and I have reached my Farange-food craving quota for the month. Back to fresh food with natural flavor!!.... nuff said

We must have just missed each other as I got there at 8 and you weren't there then!

I had a large Naopli pizza for 220 baht, (anchovies and black olives) Quite delicious... sat round with friends and the staff there chatting till 11pm before gently wending my way home ...

David

New York style crust w/ the spicy sause with sausage,green pepper,onions cooked crispy as he can get it ... @ the Pasta& Pizza is the best New york American style pizza in CM .blowing away all the others ! If you are looking for New York Style American for sure, then order New York style crust .....this pizza if you flew home to New York you would have tough time to find better, the secret is in the crust and this guy has it down. Must try happy pizza but need to ask ...what makes it happy?? special herbs? best pizza best ribs not far apart but out of town bit of a drive but not bad for such tasty treats!

Are you serious? There's an American lady working as a waitress in Chiang Mai, where standard waitress pay is about 20 baht/hour?

-- Pre-salted fries (usually salted by the previous customer who left them over on his/her plate. Ewww!)

"BBQ'd Ribs" should be slow cooked using indirect heat. The ribs are basted as they cook. The sauce is added at the end, if needed or required. Boiling is a common shortcut.

Yes, a stark white sweetie took my order at the 'manual' customer order desk at the entrance. I went and took a seat upstairs and was half expecting to hear a bell for me to come and pick up my order .... but nooo, the stark white sweetie appeared smiling with the ribs layed out on china town's best plastic..... didn't see any local Thai help around.

Pre-salted fries.... left-over's...Ewww is right!!....didn't occur to me since it was early and was the only customer onsite..... they were warm.... I think...mmm

To be sure the ribs are "boiled" and then quickly grilled.... I don't expect a southern-style slow grill approach here.

For really great ribs I will do them at home,Thai-style marination and turned slowly over a bed of tamarind charcoal..... your home kitchen is the best kitchen,my wife always says.

The man,owner at coaches said his daughter runs the place most days,so that is the white girl everybody is so miffed about .He also explained his southern style, very slow grill cooking prep process,#1- rubbed with herbs marinade one day ,then slow cook next day so it is a two day process and produces great ribs!.The ribs are not blowed at all I am not sure how TV people jump to such baseless conclusions . The ribs are very good.

If Coaches would jaz up the plate with baked beans,coleslaw and fat cut, home made fries and/or potatoe salad similar to the Salsa kitchen,if that were done the plate would be great!

( which by the way Salsa has excellent tasty ribs too and not to forget the Dukes which are also o.k. ribs most times and with a big plate of sides quite a dinner ) ,

Never seen a fight at Dayli--seen several at John's Place, and several at Sbicy (in one night!). Sheers. If I didn't like the thais, I sure as heck wouldn't come to LOS. Plenty of drunk American idiots here in America--don't need a 21 hour flight to meet more of them.

Same for me,

But it's more than being scared of violence, a lot of the expats I see around are scared of mixing with a different culture.

(excluding the bar girls they frequent)

I think they call those people "Missionaries", Sarah--western moo baan, western SUV, private western style school for the brats, and milk shakes and double cheeseburgers for everyone, and a 8000 THB grocery tab at RimPing.

I am at a lost about the T.V. sad ones going on about missionaries. Perhaps because you are on the down and out with your daily pennies to spend here you find the need to make a big deal about people spending nickels and dimes? This tired rant drips with envy ! You sound quite envious which is not a good trait at all. Perhaps a little work, a little time reading the Good Book would help you out with your green with envy out look and view of others here..

I would have to say the missionaries help out here a heck of a lot more than some even in thier most delusional dream night!.

My mama always taught us, "If you do not have something good to say..."

Today the ribs are 240 baht with fries, rib day special ,normally 265 baht Going to try this place out again,do one order hold the sause ,bring on the side. The ribs were cooked perfect and were great last week hopefully this wasn't a fluke . We will soon see.

All you self rightious cry babies that act like,think they know Thailand get a life. The bars owners were knowingly breaking the law. This one guy talking about guitarman was bad while the jaz place was different is absurb. A very simple concept in that the men were playing music with no work permits to the benifit of bar owners selling their wares and both therefore were in fact breaking Thai laws,No matter what you say they were taking Thai jobs away from the Thai people that were born here,that live here and need the exposure and to make a living.. Stop with the writing books of driveling on this topic of how you want it to be,how you think it is and how upset you are,nobody cares and it changes nothing. . The guy comparing Rosa Parks to these bar loosers may well take the cake!. Sorry folks but here 'white doesn't make it right" so get over it and turn the page!

. I know you all think you are somehow special and yes we are all so special as God children but here we are visitors, guest of Thailand so stop crying me a river... it is getting old.