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Just done it at PHUKET immigration.

Used Power of Attorney form with 10 Baht tax stamps, one photocopy each of passport info page, TM6 arrival card, admitted until stamp & rental contract, plus original passport with old notification receipt which was replaced with a new one. 

I forgot to ask but I guess I don't need to give the POE form next time as it says it allows control until its no longer needed. They did keep the original but I have a photocopy of it.

9 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Normally they want the copies of the passport pages on individual pages. Same for the TM6 copy.

Not sure you could put all those you mentioned on one sheet unless you reduced their size.

Thanks I will put them on individual pages to be sure. I have one of the new style TM6 and the stub in the passport is small now so it should have fitted on a single page

Can you combine the visa, admitted to stay stamp & TM6 card copies all onto a single page or do they need one sheet for each item?

I suppose the same goes for other combinations, but those 3 are the obvious ones. Thanks.

30 minutes ago, Psimbo said:

Errr-- this IS about Phuket! it clearly states it in the linky (phuketimmigration).

Yes I know its a Phuket forum and the link is for Phuket Immigration...

On ‎30‎/‎01‎/‎2018 at 5:54 PM, Psimbo said:

If someone has the time maybe a line by line idiots guide could be provided to clarify some of the boxes and whether or not this is OK for self-reporting. 

 

http://www.phuketimmigration.go.th/notify/

I am asking if that online notification can be used instead of doing the address notification in person, for a private house that is rented rather than a hotel/apartment etc. I would need to register though on behalf of the elderly owner (self reporting), isn't that the same thing you were asking?

Also has anyone used the POA form and had it accepted by Phuket immigration, (merijin in an earlier post said he was going to try it). Thanks.

This is a long term lease agreement rather than a rental contract, right?

Sure I have seen before a much shorter couple of page simple rental contract but can't seem to find one now. We rent but don't have any agreement so looking for a simple short form just for immigration use

(if needed for extension, last time for address notification just owner id & house book was accepted). Thanks.

I did my address notification in late 2016 when I last needed a residence certificate. The IO who was "selling" me the residence certificate got me to do it, told him my landlady was elderly with a disabled husband and I have not got a rental agreement he said just bring her id and house book it will be ok. So we got that and back the same day, but the IO doing the notification still wanted the landlady to come in, the residence cert IO overruled him though but he wasn't happy, did it but kept saying to us she needed to come in.

So if that POA form is accepted it should make things easier if its accepted?

I am on a multi entry visa so does that mean I should do a notification at immigration when I reenter even though I have not stayed away overnight and will have filled in a new arrival card? Next reentry will be later this week.

This will be my final stamp on this current non o multi, next time I am considering going for an extension. If I notify next week will they make me redo it again when I go for the extension 2 months later?

On ‎30‎/‎01‎/‎2018 at 5:54 PM, Psimbo said:

If someone has the time maybe a line by line idiots guide could be provided to clarify some of the boxes and whether or not this is OK for self-reporting. 

 

http://www.phuketimmigration.go.th/notify/

Would be interested to know if this work for Phuket also

3 hours ago, HampiK said:

I just have done my first extension based on marriage on Chaeng Wattana, and the officer was very nice. I only had exactly what was needed. Even with the bank account I had a deposit, which was not updated in the last 2 months, as deposit accounts can't be updated that easy. But with the bank letter together was accepted without any problems.

 

I arrived shortly after 8 with a big queue.. but was finished just before lunchtime... now waiting the 4 weeks till can pickup my extension.

 

I guess it also maybe some sort of luck. .but maybe also how you behave while you were on the desk. I was a little bit scared before, because of so many horror stories to read before I have done it myself.

But as mostly it's then easier than it sounds. Also the documentation I was reading about sounded first like:

I really want to go this way? copy so many documents?

 

But after I have done all the required documents I have to say it's not that horrible. Of course I still ask myself of some documents why they even want them?

Pictures of me in front of the Condo to see the number? What is the benefit? I already have to go with my wife.. so if this is a non regular marriage.. and she is willing to go to Immigration, then she is of course willing as well to do 4 pictures. I not see any advantages in this pictures.

Also this scary stories, where people have to go out again to show an updated bank book? why is an update of 2-3 days ago not enough?

 

But this is another story....

Thanks, maybe Chaeng Wattana is a better experience than Phuket ? Always presentable and with a good attitude when visiting and although Ive not had any problems its not really a good experience (it was more a problem between 2 officers last time).

Although I will not be applying for the extension for a while I want to at least know what I am going to do in the next few weeks, so I can make my bookings if I decide to travel for an new ME visa. 

Is there somewhere where I can see a list of what the real official documents & legal requirements are? the minimum without all the extras Phuket may ask for. That would at least be a starting point so I could maybe go to immigration to try to get them to check the documents before making the application. Thanks.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

So that list is worst case scenario, having more documents than are officially needed to avoid any extra fees. This is probably why I have avoided this for a long using Multi entry visas instead, which I may will continue to do. It should be a fixed non negotiable list of requirements that is the same everywhere, know where you stand then.

Ok 1000baht is not so bad, (although should not be encouraged) if it got the application through quickly and hassle free with just basic papers.

57 minutes ago, andreww said:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kiurO8B1MUB28hzPGfeO9I2hgrfvjh3tVYDageNE64U/edit

Thanks that's a (long) helpful list.

Do you still need rental contract if you have the residence notification certificate in the passport. Mine goes back to 2016 (so will probably need redoing anyway), we don't have a rent contract but we gave landlady id card & tabien baan with the residence notification last time and that was ok.

If using embassy letter for overseas income, you also need to show... (overseas) bank statement OR bank book OR ATM card. Just one of the documents not all 3?

Hello,

Does anyone one have a recent list of requirements for an annual Phuket marriage extension? What docs/copies needed.

If using the income letter from an Embassy do they need any other supporting documents?

Thanks.

Looking at the info it seems you need to show the source of the funds, so not sure this is possible.

I have read it may be possible to use a different Countries Embassy/Consulate other than British UK (where I could go in person), is that correct?

Anyone have any Phuket specific reports about the marriage extension so I know what to expect, especially if you have used the income evidence?

Thanks.

13 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Immigration would not care. They just go by what is on the income letter from the embassy.

The embassy only want to see a regular income going into a bank account. Not condoning what you propose but it could be done.

Info on getting the income letter by mail is here. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-to-obtain-a-pensionincome-letter-for-thai-immigration

Thanks again, that's another possible option if there are no problems with doing that.

5 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

You can apply for the extension of stay during the last 30 days of your last 90 entry from the visa.

Yes

No combination of income and money in the bank. You can only use the 40k baht income option or 400k baht in a Thai bank for 2 months on the date you apply.

Thanks its as I expected. 

Another thought I had was about the monthly income method. How strict are they (imm or UK embassy) about the funds, could I for example pay myself (transfer between banks) enough to make up 40k PM (I already have some monthly income but not enough).

Been on Multiple Non O visas for a long time (<50 yrs old), most of the time I don't mind doing a border hop for the 90 day stamps but wanted to update myself about changing to an annual marriage extension from Phuket. Never really liked dealing with the immigration office and needing to bring more money here has been what has put me off in the past, so still undecided what to do.

My Non O expires mid Feb so my final admitted to stay will take me into May.

Could I apply for the extension during the last admitted to stay stamp, after the actual visa has expired?

Are there any Phuket specific quirks regarding the 1 year extension, extra documents or fees requested? Will they want to do a house visit?

I would use the 400,000 in a Thai bank option if I decide to do it (don't think its allowed to show 50/50 money in bank/income), normally we have less than 200,000 here (I am reluctant to bring over more cash as its mostly locked elsewhere and the poor exchange rates). So that's the big disadvantage over a multi entry for me aside from the actual application. Advantages are don't have to do a border run and my passport is quite full so would soon be needing another new UK passport.

Thanks.

Again... thanks Sheryl,

I dont want to mess around adding new meds or supplements too much at the moment until I see the result after the Rivotril has ended, but I am going to take Turmeric today (as we have it anyway), I have read its good for digestive disorders and there is some benefit for anxiety/depression (although if you look hard enough you can find good / bad thigs for almost anything on the Internet - a habit I need to break).

I do think I have anxiety rather than depression, but not entirely clear on the diffference, I still feel if I knew for sure I was ok with my other health concerns my anxiety would improve, Maybe I have lost faith in Thai Dr's.

I would consider going to Bangkok (even better if they could first do an email consulation before travelling), but its the same problem of not knowing exatly what type of Dr I need to see. Bangkok Phuket Hospital does have a seeming very good Professor Art Hiranyakas with western experience http://www.phukethospital.com/Doctor/Curriculum-Vitae.php?doctor_id=193  As Ibs and anxiety seem closely linked he may be a good option, As I said before I want someone who will look at the whole problem, outside of there own specialisation also if neccessary.

Today head is clearer on waking again, still a bit unsettled in the stomach, not much appetite with loose BM, but manageable. Still have the pain under right rib, not sure the 1xibuprofen+1paraetamol twice daily is making a lot of difference.

On 10/4/2016 at 11:58 AM, Sheryl said:

It is possible to become hyper-sensative to bodily sensations, and when one is, there will always be a "symptom" somewhere. Then the more you worry about it, the worse it gets and  the more new sensations arise elsewhere, it is a never-ending cycle.

 

And one that can lead to unnecessary medications and medical treatments, which can lead to side effects and new medical problems....you get the idea.

 

I don't usually say this but in your case, paying less attention to passing aches, pains and other symptoms may be the wisest course of action. You need to get off this particular merry-go-round.

Yes I completely agree with this, I am trying. My right bottom/under rib problem is still there and actually is pretty painful, I am trying to put to the back of mind as much as I can. I have stopped the ibs (Dicetel) meds for a couple of days now, I am having more frequent loose movements but its manageable. I do have a general unsettled feeling mainly in the stomach .

After reducing the rivotril last night,  I got to sleep ok and slept well, my head does feel a bit clearer and less grogginess this morning

I had some anxiety last evening out of the blue whilst watching a movie, nothing major but just kept thinking back to how I was speaking at my appointment with the GI Dr. But I think its expected to have some rebound after stopping the Cetavol. My wife is a great support.

On 10/4/2016 at 11:58 AM, Sheryl said:

If you are so inclined, a course of Vipassana meditation - which works directly at the mind-body interface - may be helpful. www.dhamma.org

I would be interested in something like this I will look into it more - thanks, the councelling Sheryl mentioned before is fine but at 2,500 a session its not a consideration for me, and I dont feel I need it at the moment. I have also seen a few apps for relaxation, might give them a try.

I want to seee what happens after all these meds are cleared from my system in a few weeks then re-evaluate everything. All I am taking in addition to the reducing Rivotril, is ibuprofen/paracetamol, the effervecent CAL-CEE Vit C supplement, Bioflor Probiotic (just for the next 10 days because I am not taking the probiotic yogurt drink during the vegetarian time). But  I would be interested in some kind of non-addictive or dependency forming anti anxiety/depression medications (which Sheryl mentioned in an earlier post) after this time if I felt I still needed some help, I don't know what you think about other alternative supplements, but things like Ginseng with Ginkgo, Khi Lek(cassia Siamea) a thai herb, Vit B are all things I have read may be good alternative treatments.

Thanks again.

Thanks for the support/advice and feedback.

Ok I went to the Psychiatrist, she seemed just OK.

I had previously emailed her a basic history of what has been happening. She listened to what we had to say, asked about anxiety in the past and also asked my wife about my anxiety in the past and how I dealt with it, she did not seem to think I had much of a problem until this series of heath episodes which caused the anxiety.

She did also say that the dosages I was taking were not that high but she did agree that there needed to be a plan to come off them safely as there can be dependancy over a short time.  For the Cetavol which I have stopped since mid last week, she did not say that we needed to do anything, she said I may continue with symptoms for a while but should pass soon.

We have come up with a plan to stop the Rivotril, starting tonight I will reduce to 0.5mg for a week starting tonight  and then for the next week 0.25mg, then should be able to stop, again she said may get some minor symptoms but this reduction should be ok for the dose and length of time I have have been taking the medicine. this is a quicker reduction than I seen in my own Internet research but to be fair most of those were for people who had taken the Clonezepam for years and bigger doses.

She thought the mouth/throat sores were more likely due to just being run down, and didn't reommend I take omeprazole for acid at this moment, just to wait until things settled down. Much the same advice regarding the Gi issues (as Sheryl advised also) wait and see what happens after I am clear of these meds, but only choice if I don't want to see this GI Dr is to go to a hospital. She did agree that the original cause of my GI problems could well have been from the Cipro antibiotic, which in turn caused this circular anxiety-ibs problem.

One thing I haven't mentioned before is an increasingly worsening pain in the lower right rib, this started a few days ago and feels like a bruise or muscular pain, but through the day yesterday it got quite bad and is very painful on moving. I mentioned it and she said its normal (I also mentioned it to the Gi Dr but he didn;t say or didn;t want to say any more about this). This morning I stil have this pain very strong even with the smallest of movements, and woke again with the hangover fuzzy groggy head feeling again. I have taken ibuprofen but am trying to put the pain to the back of my mind, I don't want another worry adding to the anxiety.

A quick update...  I went back to the GI Dr this Am.

First I explained how my symptoms has have been since the last appointment.

Next I discussed the mouth and throat sores which he thought may be caused by acid.

Now onto the serious stuff the medications.  I was calm and explained all my concerns clearly. His first reaction was that the dose is very small and only for a short time its no problem,  I Explained I didn't think this was the case and these meds are strong for serious mental health issues and can be highly addictive even at low dosages for a short time, he came back with Thai people don't get addicted or any problem with these medicines (I supect he keeps them on the meds long term so doesn't see the problems), still calm I dismissed this silly argument, bodies are much the same regardless of race.

I asked his advice about stopping/reducing the meds if he thinks I have no GI issues but he seems to have lost interest now, only saying he can not guarnatee because you have not hade any scope but he has previously said its all ok. I said I agreed when I was first prescribed the medicine but did not realise how serious these medications were. He still stays with the its because you are not Thai excuse and they are low dose, implying I am to easy to become dependant, but have never had any kind of addiction or dependancy to anything before, I don't drink, have smoked lightly in the past but quit it a long time ago with no problems at all. I suggested maybe I was better to see a Psychiatrist to help get me off the meds if there was no other issue, he agreed. No charge this time, thanked him and left.

So I have an appointment this evening with the psychiatrist (although the sound of it is quite daunting), I am hoping she will be able to put me back on the right path.

2 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

I don't think changing from on GI doctor to another is going to help and it may confuse matters.

No I meant the current GI Dr that prescribed these meds, I dont want to get a different GI Dr involved and have to go through the whole thing again, partly the reason I thought go back to him first, before I try the pyschiatrist. If I do have ibs or some other Gi issue then isn't it the Gi Dr who I should be seeing anyway, even if I end up with both? The psychiatrist I mentioned in the last post has an evening clinic, my current GI Dr is mornings, so if unhappy with what the Gi says I was going to try the other.??

6 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

Only problem re decolgen is it may add to the fogginess/grogginess a bit.

Maybe better to stick to paracetamol then?

Thanks a lot for your help, It really is appreciated to to have someone else to talk to about it. I just need one good understanding  Dr who can sort the whole thing out, but its very trial and error. I sort of think going directly to the specialists myself means I stay within a narrow path of there own specialism, it would be great for a Dr to look at the whole problem and refer me the right people (like a UK GP would do).

Thanks again.

Hi, last night took the half Rivotril as normal (1mg) around midnight, slept until about 5.45AM when the rain woke me up, and then stayed half asleep until 7.30AM, Woke feeling dizzing and groggy in the head again, also a blocked nose. Took 2 x Paracetamol at 8.00AM and a glass of effervecent KAL-CEE (1000mg vitC etc).

Could it be that maybe I just have a cold that happened to come when ending the meds (I feel such an idiot)? have been sneezing a lot this morning also, with headache, fuzzy head, nasal congestion -  it seems a big leap from this though to what Sheryl was suggesting yesterday which to be honest got me quite concerned. I've been back on the Rivotril for the last 2 nights and still have the symptoms so if this was the problem shouldn't I have expected that retaking it would ease the symptoms?

My plan now is to go back to the original GI Dr on Monday AM, update him about the IBS symptoms, the mouth sores/ulcers and what has happened since stopping the medicine with a view to weaning off them, I wil see what he has to say and then if not happy will try the psychiatrist route.

Does that sound like a good way to start?

Just one last thing instead of the paracetamol I may take Decolgen instead, to ease the cold like symptoms, no problem with that right? Thanks.

26 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

Actually with IBS the causation is usually in the opposite direction: you are ill (or iller) because of your anxiety. It can become circular of course: anxiety --->IBS, IBS symptoms ---> worse anxiety.

 

Bear in mind IBS is not a disease as such, it is by definition a collection of symptoms for which no physical cause can be found.

 

Now you have a likely benzo addiction and side effects of some pretty serious psych meds thrown into the mix.

 

If I were you I would continue with the GI meds (antispasmodic) and probiotics but otherwise turn to mental health professionals for help in sorting out/weaning off the psych meds and for help with the underlying anxiety .

 

Going back to your question about the rivotril - I would wait until you are under the care of a good psychiatrist and let them guide in the tapering process rather than trying it yourself.  They will usually first switch you to an equivalent dose of valium as this is easier to taper in small increments and its long half life reduces withdrawal symptoms.

Thanks again,  Seems so serious to see a psychiatrist and needing help after only 5.5 weeks of use (I am also concerned about costs and have been since this all started). So it sound more likely to be the benzo (Rivotril) problem than the  Cetavol (which i don't have any more of anyway) ?

I will continue with the antispasmodic (dicetel) as I have been doing anyway, and will take the 1/2 pill of rivotril until I get more advice. There is one clinic I found in Phuket (natnaiyanaclinic) she seems well qualified from the website, so you think better to go there instead of the GI Clinic I have been visiting ? (I started with 2 different hospitals but then switched to seeing Dr's in private clinics, often same Drs as in the hospitals anyway, found it easier).

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

However what is of real concenr is (1) the abrupt discontinuation of fluphenazine (the other med contained in Cetavol )and (2) the discontinuation of the clonazepam. Either or both of these things could well explain  your symptoms, and probably does.

The clonazepam I re-started again last night taking a half pill again, so 1mg. The Cetavol I have not taken since Tuesday (I stopped the clonezepam at the same time), the current symptoms did not start until Friday. The Tripta I only took twice wed/thu night, now stopped completely until I get to the Dr again.

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

Fluphenazine is a heavy duty antipsychotic med, though it is also soemtimes used (off label) in combination with nortriptyline for IBS. It is not a good idea to stop it abruptly. Clonazepam is a benzo and highly addictive. As I understand it you were taking it nightly for more than a month, and at a very high high dosage (1 mg - usual dose for sleep would be half that). 

It was written on the dispensing pack of the Cetavol - to help stomach.The  Rivotril was to: help sleep and took it for 1 week at whole pill 2mg and another 4 and a half weeks at half a pill 1mg, I did not realise it was a high dose - Do you think I would be better to take only a quarter pill tonight of the Rivotril (0.5mg)??

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

I cannot understand why the doctor dismissed this idea.

It was the pharmacist at the clinic I spoke to on the phone not the Dr, she said it was a low dose. I will go back to see the Dr hopefully on Monday,

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

Frankly if you really need these psych meds you would be better off under the care of a psychiatrist specializing in anxiety disorders. I would recommend seeing one now to help sort out your meds and hopefully help you wean off the benzo, which needs to be done gradually.

 

You would also do well to see a counsellor regarding your anxiety, this may help reduce the need for medication.

 

I was anxious and I was worrying about being ill and not knowing what was wrong (and some other things that I won't go into here but nothing major and only started once I started to be ill anyway). I thought it was all treatment for the IBS and the Rivotril was there to help the anxiety, all this started in May if you remember from my older posts with what I thought was a prostate issue, then it turned out to be kidney stones and all these other problems only started after I took Cipro antibiotic. So its been going on a long time. I was doing ok on the meds but now feeling worried about it again. About 2 weeks ago I had also had some kind of spot  just inside my nose that was sore and lasted a while and then I noticed an ulcer in my mouth then by accident I found 2 more very far back in the throat past uvula, not painful though I thought maybe some side effect of meds I will mention this to the Dr also in case of any connection.

I am sure (hope) my anxiety is only related to being ill, if this was fixed I would be feeling better. Thanks for you help again Sheryl.

(As a follow on from my orignal posts starting back in June starting with perinium pain, then being diagnosed with kidney stones.. the random pains I had contined to a lesser degree,  but I was having very frequent very loose bowel movements, several a day often close together, some weight loss, the rectal discomfort comes and goes, but the pain was now mostly in my left side, although did change sometimes).

I eventually went to see a GI specialst as the symptoms were not improving and was diagnosed with IBS, (had stool examination check was clear, had ultrasound twice checking whole abdomen). I am still thinking this still all has something to do with the Cipro antibiotic I took as I had none of these problems before and my Dr also says this may have been the trigger, he did say he thought this would be only a short term problem, although not getting worse it is mostly controlled with the medications altough there has never been a day without any kind of pain or symptom even if mild).

19 Aug I was prescribed Dicetel (bowel anti spasmodic) x 3 daily, Cetavol (nortriptyline 10mg  + fluphenazine0.5mg) x 2 daily, Bioflor (probiotic) x2 daily, Rivotril (clonaepam 2mg) x 1 nightly, this reduced my symptoms very quickly.

A week later the Dr cut the dose down to Dicetal x2 daily, Cetavol x 1 daily, Rivotril half pill daily. Stopped Bioflor. (but I still drink a probiotic yogurt drink daily).

Since then I have been mostly ok, but it has not completely cleared, a few times I increased the Dicetel to 3 x daily for a couple of days when the pain was worse, a few times I tried cutting teh Dicetel  down for a few days but symptoms started to worsen.

I have been taking the  medicines now for about 5.5 weeks, The clinic is quite expensive for medications only about 1000 baht every 2 weeks. So this last time I found a Pharmacy that stocked the Dicetel and Rivotril, (small pharmacys did not sell it, pharmacy was not high enough grade) but did not have the Cetavol,  the Pharamcist who spoke good english and was professional (recorded all my details in the book to record the medications etc) said I could substitute the Cetavol (nortriptyline 10mg) for Tripta (amitryptyline) same family very similar. (cost was half that of the Dr's clinic).

So on Wednesday night instead of taking my 1 x Cetavol after dinner and my half pill of Rivotril, I just took only the Tripta, all seemed to go ok was a bit groggy the next morning but ok, so Thursday night I did the same but when I woke up on Friday I was very dizzy, had groggy fizzy head, through the day it worse with nausea,body aches,feeling anxious etc,  for a few hours i the middle of the day it was quite bad so I called the Dr thinking it may be because I stopped the Rivotril, they said not because it was to low a dose for to short a time. So Friday night I stpped the Tripta and took the half pill of Rivotril as normal (no Cetavol as ran out), today I woke up a bit better than yesterday but still have headache, mild diziness and aches. I've had several loose bowel movements today so the anxiety is probably cuasing those possible ibs symptoms to worsen again.

Sorry for the long post, so to get to the point, is this all due to stopping the Cetavil and/or Rivotril or is it an effect of startig the Tripta ?? a side effect from stopping the old or starting the new, or just something unrelated ?? (my own research agreed with what the pharmacist said about Cetavol & Tripta being very similar).

I will go back to the Dr when I can, but won't be until Mon/Tue, so looking for reassurance I am doing the right thing, Thanks.

Yesterday I cycled for the first time in about 2 weeks, just about 20 minutes. Shortly after I got back the perinium pain was back as strong as before and feeling much more like the rectal area again almost like there is something in there.

This has made me think about the pudendal nerve again that has been suggested. In the afternoon I took Pormus (500mg Paracetamol with 35mg Orphenadrine) this really helped a lot just after 1 pill (the normal dose is 2 tabs 3 times daily). The back pain and higher abdominal pains were all but gone, the pains in left pelvis/hip, lower abdomen, sides of stomach and perinium areas much inproved.

Reading more about the Pudendal Nerve it says the pains can radiate to other aras, is it possible that the pains in my sides, stomach area could be coming from this also, maybe somehow related to my scoliosis and spondylosis back/spine issues.

My only concern about the Pormus is that I have read it should not be taken with an enlarged prostate, now I dont really know if I have that or not the last urlogist said not after the IVP, but is there an alternative OTC muscle relaxant that is ok just in case there is a prostate problem? (btw I an not take Mydocalm / Tolperisone as I have an allergy to this). Thanks.