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Sorry Whybother, I must be senile, was a mistake. I meant Abu Dhabi, which is in my opinion super compared to swampy. What about all the other fabulous airports in the world that hadn't a look in.---- I mentioned it because of its nomination. In shock again at this vote.The airport here is O.K. its the mafias that control it. My point was whoever voted for it, did it without taking into account of it,s (activities) !!!!!

Abu Dhabi only handles 11 million passengers in 2010, so is in a different category.

did this number of 40 mil...cover Thai domestic as well as International ???? is that why its in that category. as Abu doesn't have internal flights. Just curious as to how many internal passengers per year (domestic) then compare the 2. But I understand what you said. As an oldster I,m a bit slow on getting my reading in order, along with my skills on the keyboard. You youngans beat me hands down. hopefully I can improve in these twilight years-cheers to you thanks. GJ

Let's get this straight fellas'...What the original post is reporting is the illegal taking and exploitation of under age Hill Tribe girls forced into prostitution between the ages of 13-15 years old...Vunerable.innocent girls who have no say in what is going to happen to them...What more can you say??Please,please don't start using this post or highjacking it to 'big note 'your selves on being 'young and good looking' in a bar...Who f...ing cares ??Get a grip of yourselves or take a reality check some of you..Leave your egos in the girly bars or with your mates!!

Sir - I presume you mean me. If so, respectfully, please read and quote what I wrote and not how others have construed it. For the record, I am certainly not handsome and I'm slightly overweight - I was just trying to say that I am not an old mut and a young lady (in this context) could do a hell of a lot worse.Nothwithstanding this, you are 100% correct. I have participated in perpetuating a complete side line discussion which has nothing to do with the alleged forced prostitution of under age ethnic minorities (or of any ethnicity for that matter). For that, I apologise and will henceforth refrain from off topic discussions.Thanks for the wake up call - that is not a tongue-in-cheek comment.

Did I initially read wrong, 13 were rescued----- but 11 were over 18, ---2 were under age. agreed they rescued them. and good. this wants cleaning up. The other thing about the remainder, have I missed out on any update, how many were actually imprisoned, against there will, and not free agents. were these remainder blackmailed/ sold/.....or ??? any more news or are the posters having to guess/or start going off topic. captive under age girls -the raid did some good. but.compared to the millions around, maybe the next time they will get the thousands operating in Pat/Phu/Sam. so maybe the thread got boring...so posters used it to air other things slightly related

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Are they trying to say that this swampy is better than Dubai.

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No, they're not.

The top four are in Hong Kong, Beijing, Dubai and Dallas.

Sorry Whybother, I must be senile, was a mistake. I meant Abu Dhabi, which is in my opinion super compared to swampy. What about all the other fabulous airports in the world that hadn't a look in.---- I mentioned it because of its nomination. In shock again at this vote.The airport here is O.K. its the mafias that control it. My point was whoever voted for it, did it without taking into account of it,s (activities) !!!!!

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<br />I am a relatively young man, quite capable of picking up a girl if I were not married, and I can tell very quickly when a bird is going through the motions, or when there is a glimmer of "he seems ok" behind the mask which is what I used to look for - when they stop trying and just relax - when they stop having one eye you and the other on the door incase a better catch comes in. When they sit facing you, rather than parking their butt against your crouch, which is just a double effort to ( a ) not look a guy in the eye, and ( b ) to be able to look around..... In otherwords, not interested, just pay me and leave.<br />

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That is neither what I said or meant, but as a wise man once said "be careful of arguing with a fool, for a passer by may noy know the difference"

The only part I will reply to is that I never have nor ever would have anything to do with an underage child, you're ur just a troll to suggest that is what I was implying.

Leaving asside the underage ones, the girls in this mentioned thread.11 over18...............Just to put out a feeler to the posters who say they have to do it,etc.,................getting 4,000 bht in the field...Issan...you offered them 8,000 bht a month, on condition they stay there. Question-Would they go home ????? my answer is 90 per cent would say NO.....because they may make 15-20 k staying at the bar---coming back to choices once again. If they didn't like the lifestyle, wouldn't you go back. do no work and get 8,000k ???

A bit more graft and they can be number one next year,what a laugh

Dissagree--Don muang -num 1... :lol: hey who voted in the survey--King power-and A.O.T.-Taxi-and Thai Int-----it certainly wasn't anyone who got a mafia taxi from the taxi box lady or who wanted to sit down a while. ONE good thing is the quick snack 7-11 mini marks. they have well and truly stamped on the other rip off shop merchants. ( but I was told by an assistant that most things were 2 bht dearer at the airport shops) suppose it was delivery charges. a long way fromBKK. so Mai Sai.... should be 40 bht dearer than the airport for each item....... Are they trying to say that this swampy is better than Dubai. This airport because its brand new, and the expense. shoud be number 1...............................the admin in Thai in all walks is its let down.................the top people are not there on merit as a rule, so how can you hope to have the best.

Nisa #151......................You tire people out, 1..Please find on this thread-and send it to me---(you cannot) all the posters that have condoned under age sex.....get YOUR facts right. you dont have just an interest on this subject but an obsession with it, I am really trying to tell you that don't tar most with the same brush, Thai are the majority who abuse not tourists, find that in your stats, I defend myself when you comment on people being less educated. when they dissagree with you, and remarks made to fat smelling farrangs-with Girls. and please as I said before, look up what educated means,,, and tell me. I would rather have a good general knowledge than have a space scientists brain. and if you rely on stats so much-it could prove you are not so well educated. Please can we stay on track with the said subject, and try to come up with the people who may be responsible for putting the minority of girls in these situ's.

We now appear to have 2 people posting on this thread who have never been to Thailand.

"Abused as children", just rubbish, I have many female friends who have worked in the business and they never tell me that, now if you were to claim "Abused by Thai husbands/boyfriends" then that would appear to be true. Beatings by such are still accepted as normal behavior in a male/female relationship. There is child abuse but I can't connect it to working as a prostitute in later life.

By the way I am not a personal customer, I don't ever buy them drinks, but sometimes I buy fruit, Ice cream and food for the ladies.

They know I will never be their personal customer, but I have socialised with them, gone out to parties, dancing, etc. They are just normal people, mostly leading happy lives.

The underage sex is widespread, I have been offered such, but only when in the villages. Underage girls are not usually aimed at foreigners, it really is a home market. I know many Thai men who prefer 13/14/15/16 year olds as there preferred sexual partners, note that I haven't specified that partner to be male or female

Thai morality is not western womens morality.

Selling sex is very common, I would say almost every Thai lady would sell sex under the right circumstances.

Nobody in her family finding out being considered the right circumstance.

@Nisa

I am not denying statistics, although I haven't found them to be valid from my personal experience.

What I dislike is your blatant twisting of everything to make it the white foreigners fault.

What you appear to be trying to do is say that child abuse and child prostitution in Thailand is caused by white men.

The sex trade in Thailand has always been here and is aimed at Thais.

The underage sex trade in Thailand is almost exclusively a Thai problem.

Your obsession with fat/smelly/old white men is just strange.

@61guitarman61

What you see in the gogos you mentioned is a very tiny percentage of the sex trade in Thailand

Thais account for about 95% of the trade, other Asians 4% and whites probably less than 1%

Yet you also seem to want white men to have caused all the problems.

Spot on with your post, better than mine in trying to -GET through, @N-@61, all you have said is about the same as i.ve learnt and observed here. good stuff mate

Nisa. You wind people up with your comments, Most girls have been abused as children--crap-.....most are from poor families--true. unbelieveable most of Thailand is poor. you get the most stupid and remarkable figures. and to note again--you said the posters are uninformed. this implies that most are not as informed as you. This is not a new comment from you. The end of your second paragragh was true--they leave to help to support their families (choices) not as you said "with no choice" And you believe as a child they are shown as a piece of meat for men. The biggest bu##sh#it i have heard in years. Please. It is a sad situation for some as some are told by freinds, that they can earn. big time. But its their CHOICE

While a UN report found that about half the working girls were underage combined with Thailand's own Health System research that found underage girls make up 40% of prostitutes in Thailand ... I guess for some reason it would be logical for you to believe the majority of Thai prostitutes were not abused as children.

Interesting that some posters here who want to deny such obvious facts as child sexual abuse being directly related to prostitution will go on other threads and talk about how common it is for Thai girls to be raped by people within their own Thai family.

You thrive and really believe all the statistics you conjour up are true. I would definatly say that MAJORITYof thai promiscuous-girls are NOT abused as children, but many are yes. Prostitution in Thailand as it IS illegal. (and I did read your Thai law snip) which is a bit vague. 40 percent underage-rubbish. YOUR stat facts NOT actual facts. Very few posters deny that children are abused/raped -it is a known fact that it happens often--Your stats and belief imply that most are abused--again get hold of yourself and give yourself a shake. please dont push on statistics to all posters, very few want them, most posters tell of personal observations. They enjoy this part of forum. We all can go to google, but wouln,t forum be Boring if we all did the same as you--BUT i agree that occasionally we can be guided by stats.

LOL, yes let us ignore facts when debating if an issue is true or not ... well I guess it is okay "occasionally" assuming they don't go against your position.

Nisa -you are not very good at listening to true feelings, NO do not ignore facts, but not stats from google all the time, reality is my aim, my position is about the average punter/poster, I can feel and learn from my and other posters comments and learn. I have an open mind in life, and do not have the same stance as yours -thankfully, if you read the replies to your posts dont you get the feeling that you are not being agreed with ???? doesn't it make you wonder. so again to answer-I enjoy the differences of posters comments. yours are a contribution BUT-re read, and feel for the thread-and put the book down

Folks, the kind of eye infections described in the original report are NOT, as one of you put it, like a bad case of pink eye.

The kind described was a serious bacterial infection that could lead to vision impairment and/or blindness...depending on how far it progresses before receiving proper treatment.

Also, the original report cited four cases from one hospital. I highly doubt those are the only cases to have occurred... I don't believe eye infections here are treated like some other conditions where there is some kind of mandatory, centralized reporting to health authorities....

So in reality, we don't have any clue how many other cases there may have been where people went to their local hospital, received treatment and nothing more was heard or said about it. I have no basis to know how many there have been, but it's equally groundless to assume there have only been four cases.

Lastly, there certainly could have been two different contributing causes here...and again...we just don't know... One would be some kind of defective, contaminated lenses that caused the problem for the specific people that got them. The other, of course, could have been proper lenses that were worn too long or not handled/cleaned/disinfected in a proper manner.

If there is no central reporting than and authorities then it would seem just as ridiculous to label only 4 cases known in two week as an outbreak. As for the comparisson to a bad case of Pink Eye .. it was sarcasm but you should be aware Pink Eye is also caused by bacteria and a bad case of pink eye can result in scaring and blindness. Since this is a bacteria issue and it has not reached "outbreak" proportions anywhere in the world I think it would be a safe bet at this point to lean towards "user error" as the problem if we were to speculate. But when you sell a product to kids that has the potential to cause health issues if not used properly these kinds of things can be expected.

I am all for making sure products that have the potential to cause harm, such as badly made contacts, have some kind of standards set in terms of product quality and user instructions but the bottom line is that "something is fishy" here .... as another poster put it,

My personal comment will read-insufficient cleanliness, hence bacterial infection, contagious passed by rubbing one eye with the bacteria on the finger and passing it onto the other eye---or person to person. It can dammage -period if unchecked. and is a common bact/infection here and worldwide easily treatable with drops. This thread is going to tell its own story of importance by the number of posters responding. a few cases--tut-tut

Nisa. You wind people up with your comments, Most girls have been abused as children--crap-.....most are from poor families--true. unbelieveable most of Thailand is poor. you get the most stupid and remarkable figures. and to note again--you said the posters are uninformed. this implies that most are not as informed as you. This is not a new comment from you. The end of your second paragragh was true--they leave to help to support their families (choices) not as you said "with no choice" And you believe as a child they are shown as a piece of meat for men. The biggest bu##sh#it i have heard in years. Please. It is a sad situation for some as some are told by freinds, that they can earn. big time. But its their CHOICE

While a UN report found that about half the working girls were underage combined with Thailand's own Health System research that found underage girls make up 40% of prostitutes in Thailand ... I guess for some reason it would be logical for you to believe the majority of Thai prostitutes were not abused as children.

Interesting that some posters here who want to deny such obvious facts as child sexual abuse being directly related to prostitution will go on other threads and talk about how common it is for Thai girls to be raped by people within their own Thai family.

You thrive and really believe all the statistics you conjour up are true. I would definatly say that MAJORITYof thai promiscuous-girls are NOT abused as children, but many are yes. Prostitution in Thailand as it IS illegal. (and I did read your Thai law snip) which is a bit vague. 40 percent underage-rubbish. YOUR stat facts NOT actual facts. Very few posters deny that children are abused/raped -it is a known fact that it happens often--Your stats and belief imply that most are abused--again get hold of yourself and give yourself a shake. please dont push on statistics to all posters, very few want them, most posters tell of personal observations. They enjoy this part of forum. We all can go to google, but wouln,t forum be Boring if we all did the same as you--BUT i agree that occasionally we can be guided by stats.

If the product is so bad, why is ONE company still allowed to import it?

And, as pointed out above, is it really that bad? 4 infections out of thousands of sales?

And maybe not even the fault of the lenses. People use their fingers to put lenses in their eyes. Maybe, just possibly, their fingers were dirty??

Smells fishy.

Lol --- I forgot about the 1 company. I really wish reporters here asked questions instead of simply releasing what are like press releases from authorities.

And I think it is probably AT least tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands sold to Thais alone

Seems a bit stupid to report this rediculous number of eye infection cases, could be a worldwide disaster, an unstoppable infection. Most Thai people do not take care of what they have. period. motor bikes,house painting, clothes, KIDS, money when they have it, or their health, so a contact lense would be easily replaced, if not cared for, and with not cleaning properly, hence/infections. Most would not clean with the recomended sterile cleaners, it would be under the tap. thattle do. I am not Thai bashing-sorry its reality, everyday experience, living amongst, seeing. and really Knowing. living in Bkk apartments does not always give people the info they need here. I am aware that not all do live in Bkk apartments, was just an example.

The vast majority of prostitutes in Thailand, like anywhere else, were abused as children and a significant number of them enter the trade when they are still teens or even before they are eve 18. Yes, they have learned to live 'the life" and make the most of it but you are either very uninformed or just not wanting to accept reality if you believe most working girls here are happy being a prostitute. Prostitution is like drug addiction and very hard to get out of once you enter it.

These girls almost all .... come from poor families where they were abused, got little education and were treated as worthless by their families. Some are tricked, some are sold and others ran away while others felt no choice but to leave and find away to help support their families and or the child they have had from a man who refuses to provide financial support.

Many send money home to support their family and child as well as to try to get the approval they never got from their family growing up but they don't tell their family they are a prostitute and instead make up stories of imagined jobs or rich boyfriends.

I certainly wouldn't call it a conscious choice of wanting riches and fun when you enter this world as a child or were shown you have little value as a child except as a piece of meat to men.

Enough! your ignorance of the thai bar scene overwhelms me. I frequent local "girlie" bars several nights a week because I enjoy talking with my female Thai friends, all of whom know my thai lady, and that I am firmly attached and don't play away. I don't "pay' for conversation with drinks or money, though I often buy a bottle of whisky for a birthday girl.

Bar girls do not consider themselves to be prostitutes. if you were to describe one as a so-pee-nee you would most likely get a well-deserved smack in the chops.

They are very happy when they get a date for the night (or an hour or so) because they are earning good money with little effort. They leave the bar with a big smile accompanied by a customer they are prepared to do business with. There is no coercion to accept a customer, other than financial.

It is very rare to find a "local". The girls work far from home so that when they return only those that they wish to know, know of their history.

Very few have any intention of marrying a thai man. To do so would be an act of financial suicide.

"........a piece of meat to men. " What are they to the lesbian and bisexual women who seek their services? something else?

None of the bar-owners that I know would accept an under-age girl because of the legal risk, and take pains to check.

Many of the girls express the desire to marry a farang, though most would prefer to live in thailand. Working in a bar increases the chances of this happening manifold.

Many of the girls have told me that bar work is liberating - they don't have a thai man giving orders, expecting slave -like attention, and taking their pay packet. The money that they earn is split one way and they use it for bikes, phones clothes, jewellery..................and quite often send money home.

It may seem strange to you, but some find at least some of their customers sexually attractive. "Freebies" are not uncommon for younger "law" men.

there are also "xmas beetles" - girls that show up for the high season and disappear in Feb. I know quite a few who show up at the same bar every year, and then go home to mum and the kids. Note the absence of husband.

How does that lot fit in with your googled statistics?

Yes, they like the western ettiqette and civility that comes with most sober western patrons. At the end of the night, when all that white prince chivalry is replaced by finding a suitable hole for the night, the girls are also happy to oblige as that is their real meal ticket. They only earn 100 to 200 baht per night from the bar after all. Your civil and friendly treatment of one specific girl is also accepted and reciprocated perhaps because she is hoping for a farang husband who will take her away from that scene and give her a better life. Some Thai husbands are more then happy to send their wives to resort areas to make more money in 4 months than they are able to earn in a year themselves. The whole thing is still based on money no matter how you slice it. Personal civility or even friendships are indeed possible but these girls also know how fleeting one of these "freindships" can be as well. The farang is there and sweet and generous and then gone as fast he he came. so she moves to the next possibility, or sugar daddy, as the case might be. Happy in that life? The Thai woman is generally a master at masking true feelings. They can have a big smile and laughing and be crying inside. Thai culture does not let these negative feelings show.

Nisa. You wind people up with your comments, Most girls have been abused as children--crap-.....most are from poor families--true. unbelieveable most of Thailand is poor. you get the most stupid and remarkable figures. and to note again--you said the posters are uninformed. this implies that most are not as informed as you. This is not a new comment from you. The end of your second paragragh was true--they leave to help to support their families (choices) not as you said "with no choice" And you believe as a child they are shown as a piece of meat for men. The biggest bu##sh#it i have heard in years. Please. It is a sad situation for some as some are told by freinds, that they can earn. big time. But its their CHOICE

I have been in thailand both as a tourist and an expat for over 10 yrs, and there is no doubt in my mind that the girls in bars which service farangs are actually quite happy to be there particularly in tourist areas. I was in one such beer-bar last night (drinking only) and all the girls was laughing and giggling, and dancing around. Sure they are pro's and so a lot of that is an act, but I am very good at spotting human behaviour etc. And there was no cracks in their act.... Thay really were having fun (without a client in sight). Now go into Robinsons where have the staff are uni-grads and see can you spot a single one smiling? The miserable sods! Now I am not saying that all girls should grow up, be a prostitute, and hence be happy.... But what I am saying is that it is not as bad as some would have us believe, and they are there by choice and preference! Our western values base simply does not let most farangs accept that.

I've been to numerous jails and prisons and watched inmates laugh, joke, sing, play sports (sort of) and I can assure you the overwhelming vast majority of them didn't want to be there and trust me, prison is much worse than most people want to believe. It is no different in prostitution and regardless of how many people want to tell you differently these girls are still looked down on by Thais and few Thais would ever knowingly marry a girl who has been in the business. In fact if you ask many Thai males something they find odd about farangs it is that we allow ourselves to be seen in public with prostitutes. Please do yourself a favor and ask some ex-working girls her or in any country if they enjoyed selling their body to strangers.

Thai bar girls ladyboys and boys, in the (industry) don't give a fig about about what other thais think of them, and if they heard a word wrong they would certainly get more than irate.---If a Thai wanted to marry a girl would he ask her if she had worked in a bar !! Did the ex working girl enjoy it--you wouldn't get an honest answer. Thai males in general don't give a fig if they see a farrang in public with a bar girl,(promiscuous) as long as it's not his lady. your survey amongst Thai males has to be Questioned

Anyone involved in the abuse and maltreatment of children should be given the harshest of legal and societal discipline. One thing I didn't see too much of in this thread was people being pissed off at the relatives. Selling a child to a stranger for money knowing full well the life that lies ahead for them, has got to be in the top 10 list of most cruel things that one human being can do to another. The bar owners and patrons are just parasites festering in an open wound. The relatives should receive societal scorn and legal punishment.

These women came from an area where women get married at 12. Maybe you should try changing their customs. But they might get upset because women always married at 12 years of age in that area. Go ahead you tell em it's wrong and their history and traditions are outdated.

A 12 year old CHILD is neither a woman nor a man. Have you ever met any?

I am not saying they are. Hill tribe people refer to them as women because they are married. It is not my idea. It is a Thai hill tribe thing. Don't believe me go look. Find females wearing white in the villages and ask them how old they are. But don't get mad at me. Because I report a custom does not mean I agree with it. I don't like the rings around the neck thing either.

I agree, you were giving an honest reply. and the situ in the area. I must be very difficult to administer fair justice in areas like this. But again anyone forced into this (work) should have to be protected

How is this even news worthy? I was just on Koh Samui for a month. My classmates and I went out on different occasions to Lamai and Chawang for drinks. In Lamai there is a central square of bars around a Thai boxing ring. On any given night there are perhaps 100 girls (and ladyboys), give or take, working at these bars. All of them dressed like hookers and dancing on the poles installed in each tiny open air establishment. Many were open and fairly brazen about what they were there for. I decided to do my own research and bought a drink for the 20ish looking waitress who had been serving us a drinks and said I wanted her to join me for a while. She spoke fairly good English. She went into sales mode instantly but I calmed her anticipated action and said I want to talk for a while first. She was actually 30 and has a 12 year old son and 8 year old daughter back home in Isaan. She had been on Samui for 6 months already and claimed she was saving to go home. (Grain of salt taken) I asked how much to spend the night with her. 300 baht to the bar and 1000 baht to her. I asked how many other girls do I have to choose from. "Any one you see" was the answer. I asked how many were local girls. "Not many" was the answer. I estimate, from what I saw, that besides these 100 or so in this square, there were maybe another 200 in Lamai and the club scene in Chawang having at least that many as well. Point being, how is a bust on one tiny club involving a whopping 13 girls even worth talking about? And as we all know, this does not even represent a real bust. Perhaps the proprietors missed a payment to the local cops or to the local mafia. At any rate, there are thousands of girls across Thailand selling their wares on a daily basis without even feigning discretion due to fear of being caught let alone needing to be "freed" from their "captors". Although many girls would prefer not to be doing this kind of "work", they are certainly not being forced into it. It is relatively easy money and easy to get into. Sympathy? Sympathetic about the whole situation, but these girls are making their own choices.

You might want to do a little bit more research regarding how the Girls would like to be employed. My Wife runs a small business and we needed a couple of helpers and having a Thai Wife, thought it would keep life simple if we had a couple of Thai Girls. Try as we may to find a couple to employ them, we had no luck, so I "volunteered" (I know, no sacrifice is to great for my Lovely Wife), to cruise around the Girlie Bars because I was led to believe there are quite a few Isaan Girls working there. Now, you can't just go barging in there and say "anyone want a job?" That's a bit rude, so I hung around and played a couple of games of pool and bought a couple of drinks and then when I was feeling quite relaxed, asked if any of them fancied a job. Basically they are Housekeeping appointments and we were prepared to pay 5,500 as a staring salary, progressing each three months to 7,500 baht. No one was interested. It transpires that most of them would prefer to stay working in the bars because every night is a party night and they also hope to meet a future foreign husband who will then give them a comfortable life.

Just because somebody doesn't want to work at a non-secure job with you & your wife and leave a back breaking job where they make 5 times more is no indication that they like their current job. It is more likely they depend on the money that job brings.

These girls also need to think about their future. They mostly have no real education and when older can only expect to receive the government 500 baht a month social security which most don't even know exists since you need to make at least 20,000 baht a month to even pay taxes here.

Does working as a prostitute and having sex with smelly fat old farangs have an effect on young girl's mind and self-esteem ... certainly it does but you are sadly mistaken if you think that the girls or women get into prostitution do it because they think it is fun because this is simply not the case for the vast majority of them.

I can't stand to eat boiled cabbage-it makes me sick to try it. get the point Nisa. Also For your information not all customers are fat and smelly, and half are Thai men. It is the case for a vast majority of them, Many love the lifestyle---- they have choices--as we all have and not all are Issan poorly educated girls. Can't they cook--or have 2 jobs a day ?? many are pushed into this by their families also. Nisa look around you more, have a wider vision than you have-you mean well but -your basic observations are limited. relying on others informing you-or looking up other reports. I can guess at your statistic/type reply. But I am trying to be open and honest.

Sympathy? Sympathetic about the whole situation, but these girls are making their own choices.

I hear what you are saying and not sure "sympathy" would be the right word on an individual basis but I certainly don't look down on the girls and like you am sympathetic to the whole situation. Females in general don't have a lot of opportunity in Thailand, especially ones born more than a decade or two ago. There is no real sex education in this country and girls get pregnant by men who have no obligation to contribute to the child's welfare. Then on top of it you have a society that puts the male above the females in the family but it is the female and not the male who is not only expected to assure financial responsibility for their child but also for their aging parents. We all have choices but these girls have few and again am not sure it is sympathy but I do feel some kind of empathy for them.

Prostitution is illegal in Thailand. If the law is applied no one could do this type of work. so no sympathy needed-or empathy. Give the females the chance in life. If they could find the will to work-but a big percent don't want responsibility. Now what have we got-all 13 pro/bar girls have been finally caught-yippee the end of prostitution in Thailand ???--but I have a sneaking feeling (just a hunch) that there could be 1-or-2 in phuket and pattaya. I could be wrong though

I bet there's a few TVF members whose &lt;deleted&gt; started puckering reading the thread title.

Why?

You may be one of the few of the members you talk about....................a sordid brain..............takes one to know one.--if you are and it excites you keep it private.......................as long as it doesn't involve kids.

stress is not an illness

"fairly high level of depression" is understandable under circumstances and is temporary, so rather not an illness.

in the thread title should be rather about "mental and emotional health" rather than "illness"

If the powers that be do not soften/relax a little on the border runs, there will be thousands of farrangs joining the mental brigade.

"The Church has always taught the intrinsic evil of contraception, that is, of every marital act intentionally rendered unfruitful. This teaching is to be held as definitive and irreformable. Contraception is gravely opposed to marital chastity; it is contrary to the good of the transmission of life (the procreative aspect of matrimony) and to the reciprocal self-giving of the spouses (the unitive aspect of matrimony); it harms true love and denies the sovereign role of God in the transmission of life (n. 24)."

Pope John Paul II

Absolute load of crap.

Religion should be banned on all counts based on

1. Retarding education by ignoring progress in science

2. Inflicting numerous and almost continuous wars on the globe resulting in the death of millions of people

3. Propagating a warped set of ideals based on the utterings of a couple of humans who lived some 2,000 years ago, at least one of which would have been incarcerated for life as a repeat pedophile today.

4. Perpetuating itself by lies, false promises.and idiotic threats of eternal damnation (whatever that means)

5. Preying on the young, gullible and weak with even more lies

6. Fostering and protecting the "sinners" within, for example, those their hands up the choir boys frocks

etc etc.

Your not far off the mark there, Berkshire will definatly get a fast check in at the pearly gates

Four times is four to many.

maybe you get 4 chances in 12 years....................................or maybe half a chance every year and a half :lol:

error at line 1 .... farang cannot own house, only give money to the wife and pretend it was a gift...

I own two, in my name only. Live in a third, and regularly profess my poverty.

I own 5 homes and live in a 6th :lol:

LOL - on the verge of silly...and this is why the 5-min break rule exists in Guinness Record attempts - but this wasn't one of them.

Why do I have this feeling that 5-minute hourly breaks were allowed to the record holders but somehow this Thai contest didn't understand this rule.

Hope they didn't get too excited kissing, as there are a lot less condom vending machines around.

*Thud* That's the collective sound of the Medical officers banging their heads on their desks. The folks in the public health department have been warning about this for close to 3 years. Ever since Phuket became the hub of HIV in Thailand in 2009. Tthe warnings have been given. Here's a flashback to when the first major warnings were raised and I mentioned in TVF;

Posted 2008-11-21 10:19:12

It's a shame that this news item will get buried fast, but it's heavy duty. There are other statements far more serious that aren't mentioned in the article.

Dr Wiwat Sitomnoch's incomplete statements are part of a Public Health campaign now underway. There have been several conferences and meetings on HIV and STI throughout Thailand in the past month.

It's now 2011 and what has Mr. Abhisit's government done? Where's the funding for the ministries of health and education to fund the prevention programs?

I'm not picking on him as the military junta that came before him and even Mr. Thaksin who preceded them have nothing to be proud of either.

For the young, the poor and the rural population, Access to testing and treatment facilities has been reduced. I won't even mention the infection rates being circulated about workers in the sex industry.

Public health officials raised the alarm last year about access to care in rural areas. There is no excuse for syphilis to be on the rise. This is a disease that is preventable, but it requires a commitment from the government to stop. It's a reportable disease, but by the time its reported in a rural area months may have passed and the carrier has infected others. What happened to the bar workers screening program? When is the last time the pink books were checked?

One would think that the officials with investments in the bars and the karaokes renting out the boys and girls, would be worried about protecting their investments. if the numbers ever become as public as they were back in the early 90's, the bars are going to be dead just like they were when HIV was on the loose in Thailand. Someone needs to remind Mr. Abhisit that charitable groups like the Clinton Foundation and the Gates Foundation all required government cooperation as part of the grant process. What's next, promoting Thailand as a Hub of sexually transmitted illnesses instead of honouring the promises that were made?

Funding is there, but as seems to be the norm, much is creamed off before it can be given to the needy causes. Admin chiefs in our area are a dab hand on monies going to the bottomless pit. Corrupt staff are getting bigger houses and better cars. These selfish employees--these latest figures--removing condom machines, sorry again, the thinking in many areas is BACKWARD to say the least.

And what seems to be a big failure is things like oaths of abstinence until married. They found these teens taking these oaths generally hold this oath to the point of finding a boyfriend and being convinced they are in love and it is going to last forever.

Boyfriends? You mean only girls would take these oaths of abstinence ?

PS no offence meant Jingthing

Good point but I guess it shows how these things are viewed. Most people (including myself obviously) relate this to female needing to keep her legs closed. A teen boy is cool if he is having sex with multiple girls but a girl doing it with multiple guys is considered a slut.

It would be interesting to know how many sluts there were in Pattaya alone-and how many cool guys. Worldwide -Nisa this has always been the line of thought. Girls in the U.K. donkeys years ago, were told not to sit on toilet seats, as they could get pregnant. Another thought -I think many Thai parents would welcome their daughter getting pregnant, they could well collect 40,000 bht from the father, its an amount paid to the family in my area. Thats a fact. I could write a book on the happenings in Udon area alone.--------------Stu pid government dept., thinking. K. Taksin could shed a small amount of monies to help the distribution of condoms-rather than fund the shirts

JayJay0.......OK if Abhisit is the best that Thailand has to offer today. Why does he not get on and rule the country instead of continuing to be a "Puppet on a string"

As the army are in control, (in the wings) he doesn't have much choice. most people seem to accept this as fact. But I believe if he had full control, he would GRADUALLY turn this country around. Too much of an uphill task for ANYONE here. But if you don't like him for some reason-put another name forward with pleasure. I bet you can't.