GentlemanJim

Iran is not on record for 'wanting to destroy Israel', that is a lie, it is propaganda and innocent people die as a result of it.

Actually Iran IS on record for wanting to destroy Israel and not just for one statement by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. It has been said many times by many Iranian leaders. YOU are the one promoting lies.

“It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region"

- Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei

http://jcpa.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/IransIntent2012b.pdf

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/14336

What is truly disturbing is that you quote/link two sites with articles written by the same man - a retired IDF Lt Col and actually believe you have found a credible neutral source of opinion and information. This is WHY we are in such a mess, because people refuse to wake up and smell the coffee. The internet has liberated us in that if we choose to search for neutral sources of info, they are all there to be found, and will display the web of deceit and lies that are manufactured to keep the population frightened and repressed.

The author you quote makes an interesting statement in the linked article:

Incitement to Genocide

The 1948 Genocide Convention lists incitement to commit genocide as a war crime. Much of the Iranian language regarding Israel can certainly be legally defined this way.

A common motif of incitement to genocide is the dehumanization of the target population. The Nazi weekly Der Stürmer portrayed Jews as parasites and locusts. In the early 1990s in Rwanda, Hutu propaganda described the Tutsis as “cockroaches.” Before Saddam Hussein’s operations against the Iraqi Shia population in 1991, his Baath Party newspaper characterized them as “monkey-faced people.”

Similarly, former President Ahmadinejad has called Israeli Jews “cattle,” “blood-thirsty barbarians,” and “criminals,”

Now if we apply the same standard to the Palestinian situation that the author is applying to Iran then of course Netanyahu and Israel is guilty of Incitement to genocide and war crimes, there is no doubt at all. Palestinians described as 'dogs', snakes and the population dehumanized. You can't have it all ways can you? Ayelet Shaked, the Israeli politician who used to work as Director of Netanyahu's office said "Israel should declare war on the "entire [Palestinian] people, including its elderly and its women, its cities and its villages, its property and its infrastructure", she called for the killing of all Palestinian Mothers.Now if that is not incitement to Genocide what is? With lines like that around and the physical situation on the ground is it any wonder that an Iranian President will call 'jews blood-thirsty barbarians?

We are once again being persuaded of the validity of a war on a sovereign nation by being fed a pack of propaganda and lies and despite thinking we might learn from Bush/Blair and Iraq everyone is being suckered yet again.

Now Iran do not come out of this smelling of roses at all, but it is time Israel stopped playing the victim, because they are not. They have used the last 100 years of history to great advantage and have now 'grown up' as the new school bully, and a very formidable one at that, face facts they have just bullied the United States and got away with it, so the sky's the limit!

One of their favorite tactics is to post videos and quotes of Iranian leaders even though they themselves don't speak a lick of Farsi. They do, however, provide "translations" done by idfblog.com and the like.

Don't forget translations by the likes of Wikiquote. Speaking of no credibility, how are you going to spin that one.

There is only one possible solution to unrest in the Middle East, "namely the annihilation and destruction of the Zionist state."

-Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Supreme Leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei

You are having a laugh aren't you! Wikiquote can be edited by anybody! Even you, and imagine what you would have us believe. Just what credibility has crowd contributed info got exactly? Wikiquote like most other wiki's is the truth according to whoever could be bothered to go on and write it last.

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It would help enormously in reducing world tensions if we were actually honest enough to tell the truth. The truth sometimes would not enrage nearly as many people though. I am no fan of Iran but lets not have more sons and daughters dying in the sand pit over conflicts that are totally unnecessary and unjustified, and in this case a reason to display aggression being perpetuated by a complete falsehood, a lie.

What did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in Farsi:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "regime." pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh" is not contained anywhere in his original Farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's president threatened to "wipe Israel off the map." despite never having uttered the words "map." "wipe out" or even "Israel.".

Even now through over use of the term we modify it even further and end up with "Threatened to destroy Israel" etc etc. Iran is not on record for 'wanting to destroy Israel', that is a lie, it is propaganda and innocent people die as a result of it.

But it is soft Britain. He'll only do about 6.

No worries, I don't think he will survive 6 where he is going.

You are 100% correct, the judicial system is soft but the prison population aren't.

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Actually, some of us Americans feel that it is the Europeans who don't get it. For myself, I see huge danger looming on the horizon for countries in Europe which have dangerous immigration, PC politicians and dangerous immigrants who are outbreeding them at a rapid rate. W. Europe has been relatively safe for a long time, but people get complacent.

I predict that the day will come when native Europeans wish they had a way to take to the streets and defend their homelands. But they won't, and right now even their governments aren't on their sides. It isn't PC to be on their sides. They can't even count on their police or courts to defend them.

What say we just let W. Europe, Canada, Australia and others have their culture, and you guys let the US have its culture? No one in the US is trying to force its beliefs in this matter on you.

The hoots and derision come from the other side, not from Americans, and it's rude. Sometimes it's hateful.

Let's let this play out and see how our grandchildren feel about this issue with all of the changes that are taking place in Europe and in the world.

I have no problem listening to your regiments re gun control or the right to bear arms but you need to be consistent and also need to remember very recent global history.

I predict that the day will come when native Europeans wish they had a way to take to the streets and defend their homelands

We may have to defend our homelands but you can not use that as a comparison. You are not a Native American. In fact only 200 or so years ago you took the land where you live away from Native Americans and you took it using the gun. No wonder you still do not wish to relinquish your weapons. Your forefathers were responsible for the genocide of between 12-20 million indigenous people, and only 200-250 years later you are calling it your homeland.

see huge danger looming on the horizon for countries in Europe which have dangerous immigration, PC politicians and dangerous immigrants who are outbreeding them at a rapid rate.

Yes we have never learned, that is exactly what happened in North America and I am sure the North American Indians were equally concerned about the 'dangerous immigrants'.

No one in the US is trying to force its beliefs in this matter on you

But that is exactly what the US did to 12-20 Million people and they were made to pay the ultimate price for being 'different'.

There is no hope yet for the US in terms of it's attitude to guns, it is too close to an episode in history that people participated in genocide, extreme violence is only 6-8 generations back and deeply embedded in the nature of the people. So dish out your argument but a dose of honesty would make it more credible.

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This is the whole point, islam is a way of life not a religion, they don't want to integrate, it's their way or the highway.
According to history muslims have tried to conquer the world twice before, 7th century and 11th century but have failed both times. For me personally Allah, is exactly the same as Hitler, they both had the same goal, to rule the world, only time will tell if his wishes come true.

Please don't mix up everything : Islam is a religion and 99.9 % of muslims are rejecting these barbaric terrorists. By posting such absurdities you are contributing to worsening the issue. And since we are talking about extremists, keep in mind that christians, and other religions, have also their followers. Open your eyes.

"Strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be
unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is their destination."
Quran 9:73

[snip because I ain't gonna read all this...]

But in relation to the Quran's quote, I offer some "equilibria" for your perusal:-

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Non-believers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill Brats
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

God Will Kill the Children of Sinners
If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)


More Rape and Baby Killing
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

You quote some interesting versus, and here is the madness and crux of medieval religions, something that I think the Charlie Hebdo people would have giggled about.

You include the quote from leviticus that all Homosexuals should be killed as it is an abomination to the Lord God. There are 2 references to that in the bible. There are also 8 references saying that to eat shellfish is also an abomination to the Lord. As it is Old Testament both comments have found their way into the Bible and the Quaran. So next time you Christians or Muslims are at a BBQ and you are munching away on the big BBQ Shrimp, remember eating shrimp or sucking c**k, it's all the same in the eyes of the Lord boys!

Religious books are the first in the series of the '...For Dummies' books, in this case 'Life and Science explained For Dummies' - circa the 4th century BC, and the religious still follow it letter for letter unless of course they like shrimp.