Escapologist

When living, Kamphaengphet, not much English, no Farang (thank you.) In N.E. Thailand, near one of our homes, Phanom Phrai, about zero Farang. Had elderly friend, from UK he passed on -RIP. In Det Udom where we are building resort and fitness center. See some @Tesco. They are quiet and not too approachable. Main friends are well healed, humble, English speaking Thais. Share quality time and interesting conversations. Other than an inability to master the Thai language, which nobody seems to mind. They enjoy laughing at my efforts. No complaints. None. We'll finish what we are doing, USA and it will be great being back to our other life.

You must have been lonely in Kaphaeng phet with poor Thai skills. Hardly any English is spoken there. Of course, the bar-girl count is also on the invisible side which might also have an impact on falang numbers there; as well as in Eastern Thailand outside of the tourist traps. Come on fellas, let's not pretend.

People seem to mind their own business more when they have very limited means of communication with you. English is the de facto international language and so pretty much only Russians speak Russian; and they are not generally very skilful in English.

Come on chaps! Hardly fair to compare middle-aged bucket-list Brits, who come to switch off and let it all hang loose, against young Russian families! Let's have a bit of fair play and all that. None of this apples and oranges malarkey!

You all know that every group has a cohort of self-unaware numpties attached. Even your own beloved nationality. Fancy that! Lots of good guys too. Let's not forget that either. I've heard some great stories and had some good laughs in the bars of Pattaya. Life is too short to generalise from the odd numbnut who got on your tits.

"Misogyny /mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/ is the hatred or dislike of women or girls. Misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny

I believe that in general, Thailand is a country with is misogynistic, and that is also why a lot of certain kinds of expat men are comfortable here.

"Sexual objectification". One of feminism's deadly sins and one practised by every sexual being who ever lived in the company of other sexually desirable beings. We're all "stare rapists" (<deleted>!) whether we admit it or not. It really is no criticism when it gets to this level of sniping. Most men, who actually give a damn enough to listen to any of it, probably see it as good old hatred and envy concealed behind a veneer of intellectual-sounding jargon. The product of a small minority of damaged women, who often hate their fathers, and who have produced nothing of any positive value. Which is, of course, exactly what it amounts to in practice. Thailand is not an egalitarian society and has not succumbed to the Marxist cultural revolution which saw that ideology create the oppressive conditions currently griping a number of Western societies.

I don't blame guys, who don't wreck their lives and families in the process, for choosing Thailand to get away from that. As you say, they often have little chance with attractive women back home and so Thailand, at least for a while, provides what they lack. I think it's a tragedy for those who overlook everything else though. Thailand is not a developed nation and foreigners are not even citizens, let alone second-class ones! The falang's stroked-ego too often conceals his status as human-livestock from him - there for the taking and discarded when his financial carcass has no further use - and maintains his illusions about himself and Thailand. Each to his own though and, for me, Thailand is an exciting holiday! A time when I too am a "misogynist" (such a fancy word for such a dull gripe).

"Jesus died so that others might live..." Sacrifice. So altruistic. Makes me feel good that I might be like that too. I would personally get the hell out of there though. I have a family and people who love me. Acting the 'big man', in order to fulfil a romantic notion of 'altruism' or to look the 'hero' in front of a woman, doesn't balance out against the real risk of sudden death and its consequences for those who care about me. Thailand is not a place for principles. Pragmatism is king for the non-deluded falang.

You only have to look at England now and see "autonomy" of the Muslims in full action.They have their own rules and laws, how does a country work that way? A country has laws and guides lines to follow set by the natives of that land. If I want to live in a different country I have have to follow it; regardless of beliefs. Autonomy sounds the same to me as "MAFIA". Our rule or you die!

Sharia Law has no legal standing under UK law, there is not a plural legal system

Indeed Sharia law is not recognised by the State. Yet there are Sharia courts operating all over England and entire Muslim areas which make zero calls for police assistance. Strange, no?

Another Western journalist attempts to paint Muslim terrorists and their accomplices as victims. Maybe he's building a portfolio for his job interview with the BBC?

Decades on a wild goose chase for something, companionship, that they were infinitely more likely to find back home.

IMO, they are infinitely more likely to find companionship here. Whether it works out, or not, is a different story, but that is true everywhere..

Proper companionship already presupposes that it has "worked out". Much less likely in a country full of mercenaries who barely speak your language and who share virtually zero cultural references with you. To suggest otherwise is just silly. Even expats are typically 'people like you' and there are many more like that back home.

Itsrebel,

I cant help sympathies with you, reading you own post is almost like reading my own script. I myself in late 30's have done the living in Thailand plus other countries hoping to find a reason that will make me content.

Unlike you I actually realize what I'm searching for and I feel your searching for the same thing although you might not realize it.

There is only one thing in life that matters mate and that's human bonds, having people care about you and you caring about people whether it be wife, children, friends they will give you the reason that we all need to live everything else means nothing!

Loneliness is the devil so break the mold that you have landed in and you'll find no need to be on this forum at Xmas.

Don't worry I'm working on it too!

Good luck

The best bit of advice this guy is going to get. Having a few special people to share life with makes the difference between existing and living. I don't live in Thailand and I've noticed that a number expats have undertones of regret about moving there. Decades on a wild goose chase for something, companionship, that they were infinitely more likely to find back home. And now it's too late for them. They blew it.

Whenever a story contains flaws and oddities then that story is naturally going to be open to question. Nobody should ever simply believe a State-sponsored account off-hand. Those on here simply dismissing non-State accounts are no better than reflexive conspiracy nut-jobs.

It is, in many instances, easy for the British security services to make evidence disappear. The Metropolitan police were exposed only this month for fiddling crime statistics with techniques which were named as "cuffing", "nodding", "skewing" and "stitching". These techniques are well known throughout the organisation and yet have only just come to light due to a whistle-blower. If it wasn't for him then there might be no reason to question such State information.

I happen to believe that weapons expert Dr David Kelly was assassinated during the prelude to the Iraq invasion. I cannot prove it beyond doubt but the so-called "conspiracy theory" is more feasible to me. Doesn't make me a nut-job but simply someone who has made a rational assessment. I don't believe the world is run by lizards either!

If a certain calibre of Brit is no longer able to afford the pilgrimage to Benidorm then Thailand is hardly in for an influx of such fine specimens.

Oh the irony. You're allowed to burn the national flag in the USA but not some book.

Terry Jones actions incite violence, hate and lead to more terrorist acts. Even though this nut bag has only a handful of family members or other nut bags that are followers, it has hard to balance PC and First Amendment issues when someone like him is manipulating those rights for a very bad purpose.

I am glad they figured out a way to arrest this nut case and preacher of hate before he did something that would lead to just another video clip to be played in Muslim countries to cause more hate and anger.

I am also glad they figured out a way to arrest him in a manner that did not directly impinge upon a First Amendment right. Win, win in my book.

"Terry Jones actions incite violence". This is code for giving in to Islamic terrorism. We do know that believers in the religion of peace will riot and kill in the wake of the opportunity that the pastor will give them. Not that they need him in order to do that, of course, as Muslim treatment of unbelievers is well known by now. So the US government found a way to shut him up. Presumably his taxes are in order. In any case, more Islamic terror was averted, at least for the moment. That's how terrorism works.

If he is a man of such strong convictions, then he should do the burning in the Middle East where it would have an even more profound impact.

They've been too busy burning down Churches and cutting off Christian heads there lately. Haven't you noticed?

Well, I don't know whether to thank the HRW PEOPLE or not. As an African, my sensitivity is a bit different from a western colored person.

Yes, I've found that politicised black Americans become strategically-offended at this kind of thing because it keeps whites, who've been indoctrinated in the guilt of historical American slavery, in a position of blameworthiness for their current problems. There is no rationale for that kind of thing in Thailand though and I find it difficult to believe that Thais would have pulled the ad in order to protect the feelings of such chronically-offended outsiders. Very strange!

If Phil Robertson works for "Human Rights Watch" then he should concentrate on exposing violations of human rights. Dinkin Donuts should have told that little Marxist to mind his own business. Very sad that they pulled the ad.

"It is about relationship between the majority and the minority to eliminate the feeling of discrimination among the minority, he said."

Except that Tony Blair's record of eliminating "the feeling of discrimination among the minority" in England involved creating a monstrous grievance industry and alienating the indigenous majority. It involved the creation of thought crimes and a horrible, looking over you shoulder before speaking, atmosphere of cultural-Marxist political-correctness. It involved minority and Marxist activists seeking out grievances with which to brow-beat and punish the majority. It involved purposely relaxing immigration controls, and unleashing unprecedented mass-immigration into the UK, in order to "rub the right's face in diversity". Blair created huge resentment and a precarious social situation which has yet to play out. His government rushed through more legislation than any regime in UK history and he centralised and consolidated all political power around himself. He was addicted to war and his government bankrupted the country, even after inheriting a healthy economy, enslaving 30 years of unborn children to pay for his unfunded election promises and unrivalled profligacy. Oh but he put the icing on John Major's Northern Ireland cake and hasn't failed to bask in all the glory himself.

He deserves to meet the same fate as Saddam Hussein. There is still time.

The killer happens to be Thai but the issue for the Daily Mail, and for a large part of the native population, is the overriding of national sovereignty by the ECHR. That's the context in which Brits will view this case - the latest in a long line of humiliating cases. The British government has proven itself utterly impotent against the ECHR's politicised cabal of foreign judges. Even Qatada went of his own accord - despite Theresa May's risible crowing in victory. Yet, despite pre-election promises, socialist Cameron is intent on keeping the status quo. The man is a fraud without a conservative bone in his body and I hope he is annihilated in 2015.

This decision was made by a British Immigration Tribunal. It had nothing to do with the European Court of Human Rights or a 'politicised cabal of foreign judges'.

From the article: "An immigration tribunal ruled that returning the man who moved to the UK from Thaliand at the age of 13 would breach his right to family life under Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights."

I think you'll find that it did. It pays to read.

It also pays to know the difference between the the European Court of Human Rights (your 'politicised cabal of foreign judges') and the European Convention on Human Rights.

The decision that this thread is about was made by a British Immigration Tribunal. It was not made by the European Court of Human Rights. No 'politicised cabal of foreign judges' were involved.

The European Convention on Human Rights on which the judgement was based is actually based on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It (the ECHR) was inspired by Winston Churchill and drafted by British MP David Maxwell-Fyffe.

Sorry but it the convention is deeply intertwined with the court. It created the court and appeals always end up there and are usually successful there. It has happened like that time and time again and that is the context of the Daily Mail's article. Sorry but it really is a group of unelected foreign judges who have the final say over these cases. To suggest otherwise is to have been sleeping for the past decade. Anti-EU sentiment, partly because being in the EU effectively means putting up with the ECHR, is at an all time high in the UK right now. Because Brits are fed up with the impotence of their puppet MP's at Westminster. Qatada was a classic example. Two million pounds in legal costs and, in the end, he went of his own accord. Not acceptable to a lot of us who have a thing about national sovereignty.

The Japanese tourist complained about the lack of pixelation.

The killer happens to be Thai but the issue for the Daily Mail, and for a large part of the native population, is the overriding of national sovereignty by the ECHR. That's the context in which Brits will view this case - the latest in a long line of humiliating cases. The British government has proven itself utterly impotent against the ECHR's politicised cabal of foreign judges. Even Qatada went of his own accord - despite Theresa May's risible crowing in victory. Yet, despite pre-election promises, socialist Cameron is intent on keeping the status quo. The man is a fraud without a conservative bone in his body and I hope he is annihilated in 2015.

When you wrote natives, did you spell it wrong and it should have been Indigenous, surely you don't blame Cameron for the decision, it's obvious you have a dislike for Cameron but try and not turn the thread/topic into a Cameron topic....

"Natives" was fine. No mis-spelling. Cameron campaigned on a Eurosceptic ticket and now he's openly pro-EU. No referendum, no "great repeal bill". Nothing. This is fundamentally an EU issue. That's the context of the Daily Mail article and that's how most of its readers see it.

The killer happens to be Thai but the issue for the Daily Mail, and for a large part of the native population, is the overriding of national sovereignty by the ECHR. That's the context in which Brits will view this case - the latest in a long line of humiliating cases. The British government has proven itself utterly impotent against the ECHR's politicised cabal of foreign judges. Even Qatada went of his own accord - despite Theresa May's risible crowing in victory. Yet, despite pre-election promises, socialist Cameron is intent on keeping the status quo. The man is a fraud without a conservative bone in his body and I hope he is annihilated in 2015.

This decision was made by a British Immigration Tribunal. It had nothing to do with the European Court of Human Rights or a 'politicised cabal of foreign judges'.

From the article: "An immigration tribunal ruled that returning the man who moved to the UK from Thaliand at the age of 13 would breach his right to family life under Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights."

I think you'll find that it did. It pays to read.

Most Brits are chomping at the bit for a chance to live in Thailand, so in some respects this ruling is just furthering his punishment by keeping him in the UK. I mean seriously, who would want to stay there if they had a choice?

"Most Brits"? The sex-tourist community hardly constitutes "most Brits". Get a grip!

The killer happens to be Thai but the issue for the Daily Mail, and for a large part of the native population, is the overriding of national sovereignty by the ECHR. That's the context in which Brits will view this case - the latest in a long line of humiliating cases. The British government has proven itself utterly impotent against the ECHR's politicised cabal of foreign judges. Even Qatada went of his own accord - despite Theresa May's risible crowing in victory. Yet, despite pre-election promises, socialist Cameron is intent on keeping the status quo. The man is a fraud without a conservative bone in his body and I hope he is annihilated in 2015.

Now he wants to study Political Science at University. For the average jail inmate, such an educational opportunity may be beneficial. For this monster, it will probably just pour petrol on his already extreme-right polarised view of the tiny world he lives in.

I trust that he will not be allowed to study Mein Kampf as part of his thesis.

Breivik abhors Nazism and so it is unlikely he will require such a book. If he wants to study at a university then I imagine that he intends to exert some influence in that arena; which has been almost entirely hijacked by his enemies on the left. It really pays to educate yourself about this man before casting your pre-packaged happy-meal opinions about his political orientations.

Putin added that it was "hard to overestimate" Mandela’s personalrole in establishing good ties with Moscow.

Most communist-terrorists had good ties with Moscow in those days. Maybe we should all celebrate international kill whitey day? That's the song Mandela was filmed singing, about killing the whites, right? He got his first-world State handed to him on a plate and, thousands of butchered white South Africans and a failing economy later, he got his dream and will no doubt die a happy man. Good riddance.