Shrek

GANGLAND MURDER: ‘Pattaya Post’ editor found shot in headPublished on November 03, 2005

Santi’s reports on hotels providing sex services led to transfers of senior police. Chon Buri police are investigating the gangland-style murder of a journalist and local newspaper owner found shot dead in his BMW yesterday morning in Pattaya.

Santi Lammaneenil, 38, was shot three times – in the forehead, under the chin and in the right temple. His hands were tied with a power cord from a mobile-phone battery charger. He had been dead about 10 hours before his body was found at 7am in Bang Lamung district, according to the initial autopsy report.

Lt-General Jongrak Juthanond, commander of Provincial Police Region 2, said someone might have wanted Santi killed because of his gambling debts, extramarital affair or his exposure of night entertainment venues in the beach resort town that operated beyond legal hours.

Up to three men might have abducted Santi, or tricked him into meeting them at the crime scene, Jongrak said.

Maybe it was an accident

They should just arrest everyone whose mobile is flat and count the bullets in their gun like Columbo

So perish all BMW drivers

The editor of the Pattaya Post newspaper for more than 10 years, Santi also freelanced for TV Channel 7, and Khao Sod and Khom Chad Luek newspapers. He was deputy chairman of the local press association and set to become its chairman.

A local veteran reporter, who identified himself as Dej, said Santi’s coverage over the past few months of certain hotels in Pattaya providing prostitutes had led to the immediate transfers of five senior police.

Santi’s car was parked with the engine still running when it was found near brush on Naklua Soi 16. The car’s interior had been ransacked and the rear windscreen had a bullet hole. His pistol was found in the car with two bullets fired.

Police quoted his widow, Sumalee Seedaeng, as saying Santi told her about specific information stored on his personal computer before he went missing on Monday. Police have not found any information leading to a possible motive.

Sumalee said a man with a large build had twice come to look for Santi at her house – the first time on the day Santi went missing and the second time the day after. Santi had frequently stayed overnight with his relatives over the past few months. Recently he asked her: “How could our family go on if I’m abducted and killed?”

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Maybe an accident

Just arrest everyone with a flat mobile and three missing bullets

Shrek , I think the embassy will require some paperwork to indicate that the kids father doesn't have any custody , it may depend on the interviewer but best to be safe. I would email the consulate/embassy with some questions , I did this and they were helpful.  I think you need to make separate applications for each child but they will/ should be dealt with in the same case.

Here's the website Embassy

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Cheers matey.

Oh sorry forgot does each child need a separate passport and visa or are they done as a 'family' so the fees would be £260 * 2 ??

Sorry to be dumb but I am.

Thanks both of you.

The kids were declared at my wifes interview. She separated (never legally married) 3-4 years ago she has had custody from day 1. Will it still need his consent even though never married? I think they 'get on ok but never speak!' ie no disputes etc just split and went their own ways - I dont think he's contacted wife or kids for years.

We go to Bkk in november for 2 weeks. Maybe good idea to get passports and do the app then and plan my next visit around the interview date ?

I'm english and my thai wife entered the uk on a spouse visa in march 2005. She has 2 kids aged 6 and 4 with her mum in issan. Now she is settled ok we want to bring them over but dunno where to start. We used an agent for her visa who was very good, thorough etc. The things I am pondering are such as....

1. Do we really need an agent for the kids or is it much easier to do than for my wife

2. What do we need to do

3. How do we get passport(s) for them

4. What will it cost (passports/visas)

5. What do we do

6. What criteria are the embassy looking to satisfy

7. How long will it take

I need to plan to keep down airplane costs etc

Thanks all. For anyone who remembers anything at all from a year ago we celebrated 1 year since meeting last week. Mrs is working here now and at college learning english. She still hasnt mastered he washing machine though !

Can anyone help ?

1. If I marry in BK before my decree absolute is final in UK do I commot any offense in England eg  bygamy

If you mean registration at an amphur (or equivalent):

• Probably a criminal offence in Thailand!
  
• Probably perjury (in England) or equivalent, for you will have sworn that your affirmation of freedom to marry is true.
  
• It will not be valid for immigration purposes - if the visa is not refused, your wife will almost certainly be an illegal immigrant!
  Thought so thanks
  

A blessing (monks, massive party etc.) seems to be legal - Simon43 is assuming it is - and I know a minor wife who had such a ceremony.

2. If I marry in BK can I still marry in England later

You can have the blessing in Thailand and have the legal marriage in England. Your girlfriend would then come to England on a fiancee visa (unless you're planning to move to Thailand immediately afterwards).

OK

Scotland would probably be easier! It has the concept of a re-marriage when it is not clear whether a couple are married.

My wife was very dubious that our marriage in Thailand was valid. When I registered our daughter's birth, I asked the registrar about the legal position. His answer was that we should not have a second marriage, as it would cast doubt on the legality of the first marriage.

I have heard that before

As my wife and daughter's right to be in this country depend on the legality of that marriage, casting doubt on it would be unwise. My wife stopped worrying when she learnt that another English-Thai couple in the same town had married at the same 'amphur' as us.

If it matters to you, you can probably arrange for your union to be blessed in the UK. That certainly used to be done for couples who could not marry in church because one of the couple was divorced. How many receptions are you planning to have?

Will have a blessing in UK if marry in BK - one reception but it will last many days!

3. If I marry in BK does that alone meet all of the requirements for residency in 2 years ?

To what you actually wrote the answer is 'No way!'. A marriage registered at an amphur in Thailand is as valid as a marriage celebrated in England, but there are other issues.

The requirements for 'indefinite leave to remain' have recently been discussed (see topics started by Geoffers), but are basically that at the end of the two year probationary period your marriage is still subsisting (anglice: not broken down), that you can still maintain and support yourselves, and that your wife is in the UK. The probationary period starts when your wife enters the UK on a settlement visa, or, if she enters in any other way, when she is granted further leave to remain (fee £155).

Sorry I mislead you, I know there are other requirements I just meant will a marriage in BK be recognised when we apply for residency

Thanks

ps for those who remember me from last summer ... yes things have moved on since then and we are very happy - my thai girlfriend left pattaya a couple of weeks after I returned home and since has stayed with her family 600 miles away from pattaya so there are some good hearts stuck in the seedy bars maybe I just got lucky

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I'm glad to hear your news. I was wondering about you over Christmas, and worrying that you might have been caught by the tsunami. I didn't try PMing you as I'd got it into my head that Shrek was just your avatar.

As to bargirls, I can remember a former hotel worker telling me they were 80% bad, 20% good. Many of us know that there are some good hearts in the bars. Good luck for the future - you already know that mixed marriages (male/female) have their problems.

I returned to Thailand after only a few weeks and stayed with her family in the middle of nowhere in the north east. I may never visit the gulf again, dunno, it was lucky for me but it still hurts to think of Pattaya, not only for me but for the other 20% of genuine girls who seem to have little chance of escape

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Unfortunately it's a non-starter from the word go. If you are as yet not divorced you wouldn't be able to even marry in Thailand as in order to do so you need to swear an affirmation of freedom to marry and provide your decree absolute in order to get this. You could, of course, just lie but then the marriage would be legal neither in Thailand nor the UK as it would be bigamous, the maximum penalty for which is having 2 mothers-in-law  . As the marriage would be unlawful your g/f would not qualify for a settlement visa.

Scouse.

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Yes suspected as much, not a big issue as the inetrview date is expected to be late march and the divorce expected final date is also expected late march so may as well hang on for the absolute to avoid any issues later if they check the dates on the papers are the wrong way round. Do you know the answers to the other 2 q?

Can anyone help ?

1. If I marry in BK before my decree absolute is final in UK do I commot any offense in England eg bygamy

2. If I marry in BK can I still marry in England later

3. If I marry in BK does that alone meet all of the requirements for residency in 2 years ?

Thanks

ps for those who remember me from last summer ... yes things have moved on since then and we are very happy - my thai girlfriend left pattaya a couple of weeks after I returned home and since has stayed with her family 600 miles away from pattaya so there are some good hearts stuck in the seedy bars maybe I just got lucky

I travel to arrive in bangkok in a week or so and am meeting a girlfriend at her family home in Sakhon Nakhon. I have heard there is a flight once a day or so but if this is full or too long a delay what other options are open to me ? train? coach? taxi? where do I get each from and what should I pay ?

Thanks anyone who can help

Phuket pretty expensive and very commercialised in most places there. Samui getting the same way. May want to try Ko Chang or Ko Samet (near Pattaya in the Gulf). If you're thinking Phuket area, go for Krabi instead, a lot quieter and cheaper...ish. To get away from it all, Ko Tarutau (right down the southwest, away from Satun) is a beautiful place so I hear but only open part of the year (national marine park).

Don't listen to the miserable bleeders. If she is a bg, who gives a smeg. Just enjoy!

Oh my goodness words of sanity....thank you my friend.

BG or not she will be taken to a beach and loved,

In 2 weeks at Cholcham she took not a penny.

I can afford it and she deserves it

But she never took it.

There again shes a whore so shes damned for all time.

Please everyone do not add any more to the mango thread

I had no intention of opening a debate into the morality of poverty and prostitution

I only asked for travel advice

The jerk has nothing better to do than stoke up anonymous bitter arguements, presumably because he has no real humans left to talk to.

Innocent by the way not Inosent thicko.

Genuine travel advice welcome thank you as for the rest its MY body MY money and none of you know foo call about the situation so shove it.

JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ

I think I just found out where Jack the Ripper legged it to

Adolf had nothing on you lot did he

Thank god for the net now we're all tough

I would suggest stop falling in love with bar girls and get a real girlfriend.

Cheers Mango

Sorry if I'm being thick... but I see no mention of bargirls in the post...

And even if it is... don't judge... that's my suggestion to you...

Cheers totster

What other type of Thai girl would not know that you did not know you don't need a passport to travel within your own country?

Cheers Mango

So... If a thai girl does not know whether she needs a passport to fly she is a bar girl..

you are a pratt

"cheers" totster

And ypu are a &lt;deleted&gt; who knows nothing about Thailand.

Cheers Mango

Well actually I havent even asked her if she needs a passport I've told her we're not going back to Pattaya thats all so she has no idea.

With my limited experience of all things thai I cannot help noticing that this forum comprises EITHER very helpful open minded honest people

OR

miserable bitter twisted lonely smartass lonely tossers

no in betweens are there

I would suggest stop falling in love with bar girls and get a real girlfriend.

Cheers Mango

I'd suggest you fack right off unless you have something either constuctive or pleasant to say smartass.

I am back in Thailand on 23.11.04 for my 2nd visit. I am staying for 2 weeks. I am meeting a young thai lady at the airport and am considering going to one of the islands from bangkok (actually does have to be an island) instead of getting hammered in Pattaya for 2 weeks. What I want to know is

1. Where is recommended (sun, not too busy, nice beach etc, some nightlife, nice inexpensive hotels) I was thinking Phuket or Koh Samui ?

2. Can anyone confirm she does not need a passport as a thai national if we fly to say Samui or Phuket - she has id card but dont think she has passport.

All help gratefully accepted

Thanks to everyone who helped when I posted 2 weeks ago especially KM in Yorkshire....you know who you are I will be over to see you soon..I have just reached the stage where I can talk about it calmly...I need more guidance

Story in a nutshell...went on 1st holiday to pattaya met bargirl on day 1...stayed with her the whole time...nearly didnt come home...etc etc etc

Have chilled now and will visit several times on hols more b4 doing anything at all..but 2 weeks later we still speak every night, and her boss has offered to provide documents of address and job in bangkok if I want (I know possible scam warning there)...have reached the stage now where I want to plan ahead...have read the thailand-uk site which seems to present 2 options...go to thailand and marry there and apply for a spouse visa to bring her to uk permanently...or try to bring her to uk unmarried and then marry and ask for permission to stay indefinitely...which is easier/most likely to succeed ? Which is riskier...over the interim (courting?) period (christ showing my age there) what should i be doing that will help any visa application succeed. The site discusses both options and to be honest makes them sound straightforward which I am sure they are not...but it doesnt make it clear which is the better option. What I am saying really is that IF after lots of time and consideration we want to marry and settle in the uk whats the best way to do it..I am in IT and IT jobs in Thailand seem to be reserved for thai nationals so uk seems better option

I bet this posting has been made a few times, so you can all have a laugh at my expense,  OK the background.

I'm 46 and separated after 24 years married. Kids grown up. Rent house in UK in beautiful yorkshire village and have ok job as systems analyst.

Went to Pattaya for 2 week holiday and returned 2 days ago. Met 31 year old Thai bar girl and spent entire 2 weeks with her. Had to pay bar fines but she never asked for money from me. Either she genuinely feels something for me or she is a very good actor. In 24 hours since returning she has called me 6 times in tears. My 18 year old son literally had to drag me onto the plane at Bangkok. I feel like the secure framework within which I lived my life in the UK has been destroyed.

I am totally ignorant of whats involved in bringing her to the UK apart from advice given to me in pattaya that while she is a bar girl she will have trouble getting a visa to come to the uk. Really I dont even know whats involved in either her coming here or me going there. I can scrape a few £000 together but am not wealthy.

What are my options? What are the rules?

I don't think you have many options.

A. If you want to be with her in the UK, you'll ultimately have to marry her.

1. You'll have to get her out of the bar (and preferably out of Pattaya), which probably means you'll have to support her. Cynics will point out that many bargirls each have many men 'supporting' them for that reason. However, she won't get a visa if the embassy find out she's still working as a bargirl - barmaid might even be dodgy given her past.

2. Get writing to her, and you should both keep your correspondence for the visa application. E-mail is acceptable. Remember that your e-mails will probably be read by the Entry Clearance Officer. Also, they may be hacked into by other people - reportedly 123456 is a very common password! If you have to write in Thai, the spell checker with Word is quite good - and should be even better if you cheat and leave spaces between words.

(I still think it's much nicer to curl up with a letter.)

Some couples resort to translators for their e-mails!

3. I would recommend a further visit in a few months time, and if you still love her and think she will at least respect you, apply for a fiancee visa to bring her to the UK. The interview should be 3 months after the application - I think you can negotiate a time so that you can be there for the interview. That should help.

4. Look for further advice and details at www.thailand-uk.com. Read what they have to say about cheap telephone services.

5. Bear in mind that even if you do marry and live in the UK, she may dump you:

(a) When she has her indefinite leave to remain.

( When she's passed her English exams and got British Nationality.

( When her children leave home.

B. Just keep her as a mistress in Thailand. Possible, but troublesome.

C. Just be a regular client of hers. Of course, you'll lose her if someone else snaps her up.

D. Relocate to Thailand. Could you do your current tasks from Thailand?

With options A and B you'll want to know that she's faithful. Having her at the end of a landline in Thailand will give you confidence. What has she told you about children? Did you check for stretchmarks? I've heard that bargirls are told to deny having any children - the thought of possible step-children does put punters off.

Do you know what drove her to work in the bar?

Don't squander your money - you'll be shelling out left, right and centre to people unconnected with your girl. You can easily spend £4,000 before you get her to the UK - air fares, support, legal fees, visa fees, surveys/immigration inspections on your accommodation, internet cafés for your girl - and that's assuming you don't have to upgrade your accommodation. Also, worry will probably eat into your earning capacity.

Thanks for your help.

Whats a fiance visa ?

Do ALL visas for her to come here mean her getting out of the bar scene?

She has stretchmarks but dunno the whole story.

I intend to go back 2 or 3 times more what then if we are still keen

Dunno about working there I work in IT as a business/systems analyst and would move tomorrow but havenet a clue where to start

I feel totally helpless and cannot sleep at night

Been back 10 days now we have spoken every night

Thanks everyone.

There's no such thing as bad advice I think. I am taking it all in.

I don't think anyone who offered help is right or wrong, we all have a perspective on issues in life.

I think I need to work out whether Pattaya really is Paradise, or whether it has simply made me realise what a shallow aimless and lonely routine I have fallen into here. A long term marriage breaks up, a 16 year job becomes a meaningless chore, and a 46 year old tubby guy begins to live a lonely life, then suddenly pow  a gorgeous girl thinks he's the bogs dollocks. Tempting. I certainly look at things here very differently now. I will take my time, change a few things back here, and return to Pattaya in November or January and see if the grass still seems greener.

Seems though I have two options (1) I build up a relationship with her over several visits in order for her to get a visa to come here or (2) I try to find work out there (difficult?) and drop everything here and take the risk

God gave man a brain and a dick. Sadly he didn't give man enough blood to run them both together.

Thats really helpful thank you.

we should tell him what to do  he's getting married after two weeks  and he's 46  cmon  i'm 35 and i know not to get married after 2 wks  for god's sake his son even is smarter than him and he's 18  pulling him unto the airplane to go home!!!!!

Too long time in one place? Too long time in one job? How to change all habits and be sure it's right way? It's not easy to think what to do in life, change everything, make important decisions if we don't have to do it before.. and we have had normal life for a 20 years. Anyway all ways are correct Can go to her several times and have better and better relationship, then be sure and take her to England. Or go to Thailand, stay there - if sth is wrong, find another one Just need to be little bit brave and crazy in life

ok ok dont attach too much significance to the word 'marry'. Probably what I mean is that I want to stay with her. Maybe marry means keep. Legally. Somewhere. Even as a teenager I have never hurt so much since I left her.

Its now 4 days since I came back, she has called every night in tears wanting me to return.

I think she could earn more money in the bar than calling me.

Wish I'd gone to Benalmadena.

I'm going to Pattaya this weekend.What bar is she in as I need some luvin also.

If you need help finding comfort in Pattaya theres no point going

Thanks everyone.

There's no such thing as bad advice I think. I am taking it all in.

I don't think anyone who offered help is right or wrong, we all have a perspective on issues in life.

I think I need to work out whether Pattaya really is Paradise, or whether it has simply made me realise what a shallow aimless and lonely routine I have fallen into here. A long term marriage breaks up, a 16 year job becomes a meaningless chore, and a 46 year old tubby guy begins to live a lonely life, then suddenly pow a gorgeous girl thinks he's the bogs dollocks. Tempting. I certainly look at things here very differently now. I will take my time, change a few things back here, and return to Pattaya in November or January and see if the grass still seems greener.

Seems though I have two options (1) I build up a relationship with her over several visits in order for her to get a visa to come here or (2) I try to find work out there (difficult?) and drop everything here and take the risk

Thanks. If she was (somehow) to obtain such a 6 month visa and marry in the uk could she stay indefinitely?

I bet this posting has been made a few times, so you can all have a laugh at my expense, OK the background.

I'm 46 and separated after 24 years married. Kids grown up. Rent house in UK in beautiful yorkshire village and have ok job as systems analyst.

Went to Pattaya for 2 week holiday and returned 2 days ago. Met 31 year old Thai bar girl and spent entire 2 weeks with her. Had to pay bar fines but she never asked for money from me. Either she genuinely feels something for me or she is a very good actor. In 24 hours since returning she has called me 6 times in tears. My 18 year old son literally had to drag me onto the plane at Bangkok. I feel like the secure framework within which I lived my life in the UK has been destroyed.

I am totally ignorant of whats involved in bringing her to the UK apart from advice given to me in pattaya that while she is a bar girl she will have trouble getting a visa to come to the uk. Really I dont even know whats involved in either her coming here or me going there. I can scrape a few £000 together but am not wealthy.

What are my options? What are the rules?