23 hours ago, transam said:

My step grandson, 9 months old was not well, they took him to hospital (He is insured) for a check-up. 

He tested positive for Covid, which strain I don't know. We are all a bit mystified as to how he contracted it, as he has a pretty sheltered life.

 

Thankfully, he is dealing with it OK, they hope he will be able to go home sometime this week..🤗

Sorry to hear.  I'm sure he's resilient enough to get over it.  He has my positive thoughts.  Do keep us informed as to the outcome.

Two excellent quotes on debate; debate which becomes impossible without free speech.  Or imposed restrictions.

“’If you wish to converse with me,” said Voltaire, “define your terms.” How many a debate would have been deflated into a paragraph if the disputants had dared to define their terms! This is the alpha and omega of logic, the heart and soul of it, that every important term in serious discourse shall be subjected to the strictest scrutiny and definition. It is difficult, and ruthlessly tests the mind; but once done it is half of any task.”

~Will Durant, The Story of Philosophy.

“Is there any knowledge in the world which is so certain that no reasonable man could doubt it? This question, which at first sight might not seem difficult, is really one of the most difficult that can be asked. When we have realized the obstacles in the way of a straightforward and confident answer, we shall be well launched on [intellectual inquiry, which] is merely the attempt to answer such […] questions, not carelessly and dogmatically, as we do in ordinary life and even in the sciences, but critically, after exploring all that makes such questions puzzling, and after realizing all the vagueness and confusion that underlie our ordinary ideas.”

~Bertrand Russell, The Problems of Philosophy.

Food for thought.

6 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

Or re-type in standard English!

You're just here to troll.

9 minutes ago, sherwood said:

And around and around we go.

What a load of crap.

This sort of dialogue is how people lost the power of free speech.

Hey, I've no problem with you expressing your disagreement.  But do explain how my quoted dialogue leads to the loss of free speech.  I omitted the word 'power' for it's impossible to lose the power of free speech.  It's inherent within us.  You couldn't lose it if you tried.  You can, however, deny it.

7 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

An invalid stance can be demonstrated to be invalid. There is no need for censorship to safeguard "the truth" (the concept of truth thereby being subject to the biased appreciation of whoever is censoring).

Censorship is, in a sense, a protective mechanism.  Different ideas can be interpreted as a threat.  And anything seen as a threat will, often, have a response to counter it.  Truth or not truth really doesn't have anything to do with it.  As I see and understand it.

17 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

No worries, my friend.

 

You are entirely correct that Free Speech is more important than anything else.

 

However, here is not the place, or is any forum the place, to fight and die for free speech.

 

The UK does not have free speech, for example...and...so...

Why not go there an fight for it.

At least for me, there is nothing worth dying for.  Fighting does not automatically imply violence.  Fighting may not be the best term then.  Perhaps aggression is more apt.  The same aggression which brings a newborn baby out of it's mother's womb and into the world.  Aggression in that sense being a strong impetus towards experiencing life.

There are any numbers of countries which do not have free speech.  I wouldn't think of placing upon my shoulders the burden of saving the world from itself.  Not my job.  I prefer to put out what I have and let people choose for themselves what they will do with it.  Fair enough?

1 minute ago, scottiejohn said:

59 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Who could be so naïve, I wonder....

You?

I think you've got a hardcore follower, GG.  LOL

23 minutes ago, sherwood said:

Free speach?

Lost long ago.

Wake up, slap....

Some things are worth fighting for.  Not to suggest that blood needs to be spilled.  But who's willing to admit they're afraid of heated debate?  All chickens raise your feet.  Careful, now.  My wife might make quick work and chop 'em off for her next batch of kanom jeen.  

34 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

What.....

You want to talk SERIOUSLY about Free Speech???

 

OK....

 

Watch this...

 

Currently there are quite a number of misconceptions regarding freedom of speech.  Hence the heated debate over it.  To put it simply, there are those who understand it quite well and those who do not.  Those who understand it are pro-free speech.  Those who do not are pro-censorship.  It's a subject that seriously needs to be addressed, in my opinion.  I'm willing to have an honest discussion and help dispel the misconceptions.  

13 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

The benefit of free speech is that the truth doesn't get suppressed.  Those who value truth over beliefs will find it refreshing.

Some seem to find humour in that.  I suspect they'll toss the invitation.  No problem.  As I said, there's now a forum to suit everyone.

3 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Better take one of these, instead...

 

 

 

73 baht per?  Highway robbery.  I'll stick with the cheaper method of refreshing.  

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

And now, you are beginning to sound a bit like Jumpin' Jack Flash.....

 

Good one, GG.  My use of 'gas' was actually inspired by the intro to Humble Pie's last number, I Don't Need No Doctor, from their May '71 gig at the Fillmore East, a month before it closed.  Off of their classic double LP, Performance - Rockin’ The Fillmore, their first live album.

The late great Steve Marriott:  "We, ah, go 'ome on Monday but I wanna tell ya, we all really had a gas this time.  It's really been a gas."

One of the best live performances of the early 70's from a superb band featuring legends Marriott and Frampton.  This was Frampton's last album with Humble Pie before departing on his solo career.

Steve Marriott – Lead vocals, lead & rhythm guitars & harmonica

Peter Frampton – Lead & rhythm guitars & background vocals, co-lead vocals on “Four Day Creep,” “I’m Ready” & “I Walk on Gilded Splinters”

Greg Ridley – Bass & background vocals

Jerry Shirley – Drums

34 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

AseanNow and ThaigerTalk can peacefully co-exist besides each other (I am a member of both). 

It goes without saying that due to its much larger member-size some AseanNow sub-fora on non-controversial subjects are quite interesting (e.g. the Visa-forum) and these are my mean reason to visit and post on AN.

Ditto.  As long as you don't engage in controversial subjects the rest of the forum is excellent.  Posting in any thread dealing with contentious subject matter I found to be a waste as my time and effort to write a post is for naught when it disappears merely and only because it is contentious.

10 hours ago, Crossy said:

You want "free speech" you know where to go.

You want real debate you know where to go.  

These people won't make it, though --> 

16 hours ago, Sigmund said:

To remain in the line of the OP's topic, the value of social media is based on it's numbers and the quantity and amount of posts.

Any public posting forum has no chance of survival if comments are systematically deleted or if there is any form of over moderation.  Obviously, explicit and hate comments or anything against the law has no place in social media whatsoever. But just deleting a comment on pure ideologic grounds or conflict of opinion, will never enable any such platform to grow and develop.

". . . and the quantity and amount of posts."

I believe you meant "quality" rather than "quantity?"  Quantity without quality is, to me, not worth visiting.

An excellent post, mate.    

16 hours ago, proton said:

You have not missed anything, keep away from it!

Yes, by all means, stay away!!  You might have your views challenged!!  Just think about how upsetting that would be!!!  Most definitely do not dare go if you are without a safe room filled with comforting, furry, stuffed animals to help you refocus and heal your damaged feelings.

16 hours ago, AnotherOneHere said:

I don't really know what Thaiger is, but I have it mentally categorized as something that AI generates fake clickbait articles.

Perfect.  You first admit that you know next to nothing of Thaiger yet despite the ignorance you are still able to promote a false imagined conclusion.  Simply perfect.  Good job!!

6 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

You would be surprised when visiting ThaigerTalk now.  The only fair and decent Mod is now Head Administrator and he is the ONLY moderator left on the Forum, with Free Speech now being their policy.  None of my post there have been altered or deleted since that radical change now 6 months ago with all TT-moderators leaving or being booted. 

Hear, hear.  Only those who cannot stomach views other than their own are the ones who gripe.  Those whose arguments supporting their views fail badly which leaves them frustrated that their "truths" are not blindly accepted by all in a perverted lovefest of groupthink.

17 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

. . . I wish TV were still here, just as it once was.

Which TV was that?  You joined in 2021.  The best years were from its inception up until, well, I'm not allowed to say.  It's been 20 years for me and the real good old days, such as Bedlam, were a gas.  That's the TV I loved.  Today?  Without free speech you end up with nothing more than an echo chamber filled with denizens who cannot tolerate views other than their own.  What's the point, then, when free debate is banned?  TT is a return to TV's good old days.

2 minutes ago, dhupverg said:

Take your pick of who is getting funded to publish such information.  Are these guys working for free, or do they get funding by pharma companies, " philanthropic causes" (cough cough Gates Foundation and their ilk), goverment agencies who are also funded by Pharma and private interests?  In this day and age, everyone is whoring themselves out to funding, and will write whatever is needed to secure and keep such funding, even if it means changing goal posts on trials to get a favourable outcome of said trials.  Remdesivir is just one rigged trial that comes to mind after failing ebola trials and killing people.  Follow the money...........................

Spot on, mate.  

Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Yet another study shows little benefit for ivermectin with COVID-19

March 5, 2024

 

A new randomized control trial from the United Kingdom shows that using ivermectin during COVID-19 infections provided little improvement in recovery rates in patients treated in clinics. The study appeared in the Journal of Infection.

 

The anti-parasitic drug has been investigated since 2020 as a potential treatment for COVID-19. Some early trials suggested the drug was able to reduce mortality rates and improve outcomes, but several of them had serious flaws, the authors noted. Subsequent trials and systematic reviews have largely disproved those earlier results.

...

"Overall, these findings, while evidencing a small benefit in symptom duration, do not support the use of ivermectin as treatment for COVID-19 in the community among a largely vaccinated population at the dose and duration we used," the authors wrote.

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/yet-another-study-shows-little-benefit-ivermectin-covid-19

 

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Ivermectin not effective in treating Covid-19, joint Mahidol-Oxford study shows

 

February 24, 2023

 

Ivermectin is not shown to be effective against Covid-19 in clinical trials according to the findings of a joint University of Oxford and Mahidol University study.

 

The study that was published on the peer-reviewed eLife medical journal found that high doses of the drug ivermectin, controversially recommended by some high-profile political and media figures during the pandemic, is ineffective at treating the virus.

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/48271/ivermectin-not-effective-in-treating-covid-19-joint-mahidol-oxford-study-shows/

 

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New England Journal of Medicine editorial:

Time to Stop Using Ineffective Covid-19 Drugs

Published August 17, 2022

 

For ivermectin, a meta-analysis of 16 trials⁸ involving 2407 patients with both severe and nonsevere illness showed no reliable evidence of reductions in mechanical ventilation, hospital admission, duration of hospitalization, clinical severity, or mortality; in addition, the investigators found no effect related to the dose of ivermectin. In light of this available evidence of nonefficacy for ivermectin and fluvoxamine, how much evidence of nonefficacy is enough?

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2209017?query=recirc_curatedRelated_article

 

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2023 WHO Guidelines for treatment of COVID:

WHO updates guidelines on treatments for COVID-19

10 November 2023

 

The update also includes a strong recommendation against the use of ivermectin for patients with non-severe COVID-19. WHO continues to advise that in patients with severe or critical COVID-19, ivermectin should only be used in clinical trials.

 

https://www.who.int/news/item/10-11-2023-who-updates-guidelines-on-treatments-for-covid-19

 

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European Medicines Agency:

 

EMA advises against the use of ivermectin for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19 outside randomised clinical trials.

 

In March 2021, EMA found that the published data from laboratory and observational studies, clinical trials and meta-analyses, do not support its use for COVID-19. It therefore concluded that using ivermectin to prevent or treat COVID-19 cannot be recommended outside controlled clinical trials.

 

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory-overview/public-health-threats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/covid-19-medicines/public-health-advice-covid-19-medicines

 

 

Just remember, TallGuyJohninBKK, what's important is quality, not quantity.  You can overwhelm and flood the zone with all sorts of erroneous information but that in no way makes bad information true.  In other words, your MO isn't working.

41 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Sure thing, I'll talk about it... Some sources are not typically peer reviewed, because the authors aren't just ordinary individual researchers, such as was the case here... Guess you'll just have to settle for this

LOL.  ". . . because the authors aren't just ordinary individual researchers . . ."  Are these mere mortals or are they Gods?

NEWS FLASH:  No one is infallible and thus beyond scrutiny.

Question of the Day for you, TallGuyJohninBKK.  What is politics?

Do you seriously believe this Royal Society would dare throw the UK government under the bus by finding their Covid protocols not only inept and ineffectual but harmful?  I know you weren't born yesterday, though it appears you were, but neither was I.