Tippaporn

7 hours ago, save the frogs said:

bible scholar who says the Bible is not about God .... but about aliens ... he thinks they are true stories of our ancestors being governed by aliens. 

 

 

The world is flush with ideas about what reality is and how it functions.  I think the population is 8 billion plus.  That gives an indication of how many different ideas are out there.  How bizarre, or not, are your ideas about what reality is and how it functions?  As bizarre, perhaps, as the ideas expressed in the video.  Of course Paul Wallis doesn't consider his ideas bizarre.  And I would wager you don't consider your ideas bizarre either.  There's an old saying:  The insane always see themselves as sane.

9 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Maybe you understand sth everyone else is too stupid to understand.

Or maybe you're tripping all over yourself lost in your own ego taking in deluded information that is so abstract as to be virtually meaningless and useless on any practical level.

In essence here's what you're saying, Frogs:

If I can't understand it then it's meaningless and therefore practically useless.  Complexity = abstract.

You could as well say that physics is complex to the point of abstraction and so far beyond your understanding that it's meaningless and therefore practically useless.

You might also correctly say that your ego is tripping all over itself in resentment of complexity and therefore automatically rejects anything that is not meant for a simpleton.    Is that an accurate assessment? 

That assessment isn't given as a judgemental slight, Frogs.  It's meant as a question that you might want to consider and answer for yourself.  Honestly or not. 

4 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

Sunday. A perfect day to relax, sit back and enjoy a Sunmaster approved video. 
If I'd seen this a couple of years ago, I would have saved myself a lot of typing.
 

 

I couldn't give your video a reaction as I can only give one.  So I have to reply to give it two reactions.
 

I'm starting to see more clearly where you're at with this.  Everything you write is pretty much verbatim of what the Swami talked about and what's talked about in this video.  The benefit of those videos is that the information is more structured than our conversations.  Our conversations are ad hoc in that we jump around from one specific idea to another.  That makes it much more difficult for me to get an overall picture of the idea construct of Advaita Vedanta, or any thought system that is more loosely or more tightly based upon it.

As I've said, there will be similarities and differences.  I give a thumbs up for the similarities.  But then there are other ideas expressed which, sorry to say, I find putrid.  I would consider those ideas to be conclusions which are reached from the experience of connecting with, say, your inner self which then become explanations, for example, for what our physical self is.  Those are what I call the distortions of the truth.  And in my most honest and humble opinion I consider some of those distortions to be quite massive and even detrimental.

Anyway, I need some time to sift through all of this information and organise my thoughts before I reply to your last posts and to this latest video.  I'll probably watch it a second time.  Maybe even a third.  I might want to watch some more of the Swami's videos.  Advaita Vedanta doesn't seem to be a very complex system of thought.  So far I see there are a number of basic concepts, tied together to make overall sense.  I say it's not very complex because there is a whole lot that's left out.  Hence why I bombard you with endless questions that I think become frustrating for you. 

3 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Pfff...says the one with the rapid-fire, encyclopedic posts. 

You got me there. 

7 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

To see what intellectual knowledge without direct experience is, just look at Christianity. It started as direct experience (Jesus and Co., allegedly), but has quickly become an empty shell. Great to look at from the outside, but soulless inside. Why? Because the whole religion is built on the idea that we are worthless and full of sin, that we can't reach God on our own and need an intermediator. There is no focus on introspection apart from praying. Those that are supposed to teach us the way to God, have themselves no idea how to get there, so they teach the stories in the bible instead. Those that actually do have direct experiences within this structure are too few and have no real power to change anything. Christianity (but not only) is like a lifeless corpse, a zombie. 

The same can be said about all those lofty, highly elaborate ideas and philosophies that do nothing but perpetuate a self-congratulatory circle of intellectual self-pleasuring. Unless those ideas promote and are substantiated by direct experience, they too are lifeless and worthless.

Harsh but true.

That first reply wasn't enough?    I'm still on that one.    You're intent on keeping me busy the rest of the day. 

@Sunmaster

You are an artist, Sunmaster.  Could Brahman have created your works of art?  Or did Brahman need you to create those works?  Could Brahman have created those works in it's imagination?  Most definitely.  But Brahman could not, however have the experience of it.  You were able to experience the act of creating your artwork.  And so through you Brahman finds fulfillment that it otherwise could not have had.  Which makes your Sunmaster existence vitally important to Brahman.  Is that difficult to understand?  Does that not convey the true purpose of life on earth?

Creativity is a derivative of the word creation.  I've asked before, too, where does creativity fit in with Advaita Vedanta?  Is there any discussion of it?  For creativity is an inherent aspect and function of existence.  To create.  I would think that such an elementary aspect of Brahman would be a topic that's covered in detail in Advaita Vedanta.

19 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

22 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

I wanted to bump this post because it hadn't received any comments.  Not that bumping it is guaranteed to get any.    Any thoughts as to the parallel I'm drawing between needing to change the focus of ones eyes  to see the image and refocusing ones consciousness to view other realities?  Not any different, I think, than imbibing in alcohol or smoking weed or ingesting drugs will alter the focus of ones consciousness.  Seth says . . .

How do you "refocus" consciousness? 
View what other realities? If we can't even see the whole of this reality...?

Haven't you gotten the answers to those two questions from reading Seth's first two books?  I'm shocked that you're asking those questions.    Not really, as it does make sense.

Refocusing your consciousness might be better understood by replacing consciousness with awareness.  Your awareness changes after a six pack of beer, or smoking a joint, or taking a hit of acid.  But you can achieve the same without the alcohol, weed, or drugs.  You learn to change the focus of your awareness consciously and deliberately.  I had offered you the book of Seth's complete exercises in changing the focus of your consciousness, each such exercise geared towards a different end.  Have you gone through it at all?

It appears to me that Advaita Vedanta accounts for only two realities - the illusory physical one and the ultimate reality of Brahman.  I've seen no mention of any other reality.  The fact that this school of Hinduism believes in reincarnation then your reincarnational selves obviously don't exist in your current reality.  So, given that time is simultaneous then where are their existences occurring?  The idea of reincarnation then hints at the existence of other realities.  Granted, it's still dealing with only a single camouflage system.  To consider the idea of the existence of an infinite number of realities, certainly many other than physical, I would think that concept would necessarily throw you for a loop.  Consider that Seth has said that not all entities choose to experience our physical reality.  What about them, then?  Or are all entities engaged in the imprisonment in other realities trying to liberate themselves from their form of suffering, and perhaps their own cycle of existence in those realities, too?

I've asked before, what is Sunmaster doing in this world?  Did you come here of your own free will, of your own choice, or were you sent here against you free will?  And if you chose to come here then for what reason?  If you already are a part of God, or Brahman, then what's the point of having to endure suffering via however many reincarnations in order to rediscover your connection?  Is that any different than Christian theology's version in which God puts people on earth to prove themselves loyal to and adoring of God?

One of the greatest conflicts I see with the Seth material and Advaita Vedanta is this idea of moksha, which is the liberation from suffering and rebirth.  For one, the truth is that any suffering is self-created - you create your own reality always, here and in any other reality you find yourself in.  For another, liberation from rebirth suggests that a) you did not choose to come here, unless of course you're a masochist, and b) it's a terrible cycle of existence.  For what is the definition of 'liberation'?  You don't liberate yourself from bliss, do you?

I do believe you never went further with Seth because too much of it would contradict much of Advaita Vedanta.  Since you settled on Advaita Vedanta as your path then much of the Seth material cannot fit and must, therefore, be ignored.  As you've stated many times, needless intellectualization or superfluous details.  Or, as you yourself have stated, "I often have to re-read entire paragraphs because of the over-convoluted sentences."  What is straightforward to me is convoluted to you.  And perhaps Seth makes little sense if you're trying to squeeze his information into the framework of Advaita Vedanta.  But you credit Advaita Vedanta with, as Christians like to term it, "seeing the light," and granted that was a valid and even life changing experience, and so Advaita Vedanta must be the way forward.

On 1/31/2024 at 6:32 AM, Tippaporn said:

Has anyone run across stereograms?  Stereograms are images that seem to be random patterns that don't appear to be anything more.  Until one refocuses their eyes and a picture pops out.  There are also animated stereograms.  There's one of those in the link below of a 2014 music video by a band called Young Rival for their song Black Is Good.  It takes a bit of effort to refocus ones eyes but eventually you'll see the images.

 

What I found interesting about stereograms is that they are akin to refocusing ones consciousness.  Rather than the change in eye focus revealing the image of a picture or video images a change in the focus of ones consciousness reveals different aspects of reality.  Some people have trouble getting the hang of refocusing the eyes to see the actual image of a stereogram.  Ditto for refocusing ones consciousness.

 

https://ironicsans.substack.com/p/24-adventures-in-stereograms

 

Tips and tricks to be able to view a stereogram . . .

 

https://www.math.brown.edu/tbanchof/Yale/project14/stviewing.html

 

The trick of refocusing the eyes . . .

 

 

An example stereogram . . .

 

 

An animated stereogram . . . (not a bad song, either )  At times I can capture some of the images but I can't yet maintain the necessary focus.

 

I wanted to bump this post because it hadn't received any comments.  Not that bumping it is guaranteed to get any.    Any thoughts as to the parallel I'm drawing between needing to change the focus of ones eyes  to see the image and refocusing ones consciousness to view other realities?  Not any different, I think, than imbibing in alcohol or smoking weed or ingesting drugs will alter the focus of ones consciousness.  Seth says . . .

33 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

~ Thanks Tippa,

And I took the liberty to change the caption you provided, to make it more appropriate. 

"Hi Seth, share your wisdom - I am all ears..."  😉

 

I just gave your post a 'laugh' reaction and was surprised to see another poster had already given it the same.  Not too many posters on this thread currently so I'm using the deductive reasoning module of my intellect to figure out possible culprits. 

1 hour ago, Sunmaster said:

I know what you mean.
In the absence of a deeper connection, we seek human connection in relationships or even just a meaningful friendship, and if that's not available, a casual shag in Pattaya will have to do.
There comes a point in one's life though, where these types of connections don't satisfy us anymore. They are just mirror images of a deeper longing that, no matter how deep the connection to that other person is, still seeks fulfilment. Then, if that longing becomes unbearably strong, you embark on a new journey. This journey requires you to become a hermit, not just physically but spiritually. It requires you to let go of those other worldly endeavors and face the unknown. It is indeed lonely up there in the stratosphere.
So why do it? 
Because you realize that "absence of likeminded people or meaningful relationships" is not the same as loneliness.
Because you reconnect to the source that puts all other forms of fulfilment in the shadow.
And once your feet are firmly rooted in that source, you come back to the world and you notice a big change in you. Those meaningful connections you were seeking in that one special person, you can now find in every person, any stranger you meet for 5 minutes. You recognize that the Source in you is the same Source in them, even if they don't know it/see it. 
You will not feel lonely ever again.

Now that made me go through a box of Kleenex.   

2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

The message and the messenger...

But the empty talks of the blonde pretties are immediately forgotten, as it is only package and no substance. 

And then you have the messengers where it almost doesn't matter what they say, but where their BEING shines through in everything they DO and say.

I recently came across this picture of Timothy LEARY.  What a beautiful and powerful human being he was (just look at his eyes, to feel and touch his soul).  And the message he spread is still resonating almost 30 years after his demise.

Here an excerpt of one of his books, which touches me deeply. 

= = =

Admit it. You aren’t like them. You’re not even close. You may occasionally dress yourself up as one of them, watch the same mindless television shows as they do, maybe even eat the same fast food sometimes. But it seems that the more you try to fit in, the more you feel like an outsider, watching the “normal people” as they go about their automatic existences. For every time you say club passwords like “Have a nice day” and “Weather’s awful today, eh?”, you yearn inside to say forbidden things like “Tell me something that makes you cry” or “What do you think deja vu is for?”
Face it, you even want to talk to that girl in the elevator. But what if that girl in the elevator (and the balding man who walks past your cubicle at work) are thinking the same thing? Who knows what you might learn from taking a chance on conversation with a stranger? Everyone carries a piece of the puzzle. Nobody comes into your life by mere coincidence. Trust your instincts. Do the unexpected. Find the others.
~Timothy Leary

 

 

I'd feel honoured if one day you quoted me, RP. 

Save my photo to your PC to conveniently attach anytime to my quote.  Caption reading:  Just look at his eyes and you can feel the depth of his wisdom touch your soul!" 

3 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

 

Thanks but no thanks. Too busy climbing those stairs. 

It's a looooong way to the top, though.  May as well read something to kill the time. 

5 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Sorry, not sure what you're talking about. I never read the bible and I doubt I ever will. 

Here's the link to the free King James version as a PDF.  What's the old saying?  One man's garbage is another man's gold.  Or is it the other way around?  You just might find some gold in it, Sunmaster.  ฿35,436.06 per baht.  It would be wise not to sneeze at that. 

chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.holybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/The-Holy-Bible-King-James-Version.pdf

12 minutes ago, Purdey said:

 I saw Stephen Fry interviewed on Irish television.  He really made a few good points.

Maybe go for the Greek gods?

That Fry video is a rerun here.

Fry is another of 8+ billion people on earth.  Since no one has been given a Rules Of The Game book when born then we're all on equal footing.  We each come into this world and each of us is left to their own to figure it all out for themselves.  Read some of my posts here and you'll find I make more and better points than Fry.  At least I've come to that conclusion.    @Sunmaster and @Red Phoenix agree.  So I've amassed at least a couple of followers.  My problem is that Fry has fame and I have none.  So, since being famous makes one wiser (don't ask me how that works) then everyone harkens to every word issuing from the mouths of the famous.  Infamous () people like me?  Nah.  Life is just not fair.  I'd put in a complaint but I just don't know which department to file it with. 

I'm working on recruiting followers.  If you want to follow me then you could help me become famous, too.  Then everyone who laughed at my earlier posts will change their tune and remark on how wise they were just to kiss my butt.  I have a special deal going where the first 100 followers get a free, lifetime subscription to my deepest, most profound thoughts which are available to subscription members only.  That's a $50/month savings.  Over a lifetime think what you could do with all of that saved money!  In a short 10 years it'd pay for a free, one-week holiday to Bali!

Norse Gods, Christian Gods, Greek Gods.  If you don't like any of those then there are always Egyptian Gods, Mesopotamian Gods, Aztec Gods, Amazonian Gods, Hindu Gods . . .   keep searching and sooner or later you're bound to find a God that's just right for you.  Like they say, there's one for everyone! 

My sincere apologies to you, Purdey, as my off brand sense of warped humourous parody conveys more truth than you might imagine.  Gotta know what to look for, though. 

5 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

I don't know about Purdey, but I'm in.

Ya see, Sunmaster, ya gotta appeal to their base instincts.  I can see you've never done any fishin' before in your life.  Ya gotta use the right bait.  You're trying to use boilies for bait to catch a big ol' fat carp in the wintertime.  That ain't ever gonna work.  Ya see, most customers aren't comin' here to buy any high falutin' ideas.  They only want to see the hard evidence that satisfies 'em where it counts so that's what you give 'em.  And once they see that hard evidence they can't resist their primal urges and you've got 'em sucked in big time.  Making it a limited time offer helps, too.  You've gotta pressure 'em to get 'em to feel that if they don't buy now then they're missin' out one a once in a lifetime deal. 

Take the advice of a pro and try that on the next customer.  You'll be amazed at how quickly you'll be in the money.  They'll be wantin' to buy your watercolours next! 

56 minutes ago, Purdey said:

While I see Odin and Thor are pretty good gods in the films, I know they are fantasy. 

I see the Christian god as a pretty negative fantasy. 

Now pay attention, Sunmaster.  I'll get him to buy.  Now just sit back and watch a master salesman at work.

Well, now Purdey.  You see, the Christian God comes with a lot of bennies.  Onesies, twosies, threesies . . . what's your preference?  If more He's got 'em.  Imagine yourself laying on a cloud with these beauties!  For all of eternity.  One-time payment of your soul, is all.  Along with a sizeable up front cash payment.  Bitcoin accepted.  1Lbcfr7sAHTD9CgdQo3HTMTkV8LK4ZnX71  What other God is gonna give you a better deal?  Go ahead and take your time if you need to meditate on it.  This one-time offer is valid only until Feb. 05, so act now.

(I think I hooked him, Sunmaster.  His eyes are all lit up.  )

Dedit

3 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

(Sunmaster puts on the white coat and apron and approaches the customer)

I compliment you for the way you worded that. Others would have simply said "It's all BS and you are all delusional."

The argument of "the Christian God" perceived as something negative is something we can work with. If we take the concept of the Christian God being a constant, what changes is how people perceive this concept. Some perceive it as uplifting, benevolent and loving. Others, like you, perceive it as negative, oppressive and cruel. 
The question now is, how did you come to this conclusion? 

No wonder you've never made any sales with pitches like that, Sunmaster.    Ya gotta sell him on what's in it for him.    Why else should he pay good money? 

@Sunmaster @Red Phoenix

Hey guys - time to knock off with all of the funny stuff.  We just got a customer walk in the door.  Go see what he wants, Sunmaster.  All we've got on the shelf is Seth, religion, science and voodoo.  We've sold out of all our signed 8 x 10 glossies of God.  Don't scare him away with any of that meditation crap. 

1 minute ago, Sunmaster said:

We are strict with you because we care...like loving parents who want to see little Tippers grow up well and find happiness. 💖

All this typing is getting ridiculous.  Why don't we just have a three-way phone conversation and be done with it in a few minutes.   

16 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

55555
Always listen to momma. Momma knows best. 

Must of been before your time.  You always listen to momma because she's got the rolling pin in her hand and isn't hesitant about using it. 

35 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

~ Hahaha, a clever crypto way of honoring Tippers, but with a somewhat hidden message... or is TippARS triggering my dirty mind again...

> Alternative title and sub-title (to be read in one go)

The Tale of Timmy Tippars

Hole in the Ground and the Way to the Stars

😁

Y'all are jez'a buncha bullies. 

22 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

You can write that book and explain to them what consciousness is. Knowing you, it'll probably end up being a rather long book... 😁
Make sure you add a few pictures too. 

I'll commission you to do all the watercolours. 

That there is only Vol. 1.  Can't say how many volumes make up the entire tome 'cause I can't count that high. 

Tippers, the bright little boy laying on the couch, eyes closed, meditating.  Mother enters the room.

Mother [angrily to Tippers]:  What da hell is ya doin'?

Tippers [sheepishly]:  I'm a meditatin', maw, so's I kin alleviate mah pain - foreva.  Mah bestes buddy, Sunmaster, tells me it works really good.  Sez I'll neva hafta cry agin.

Mother:  Getcher goddamned ar$e off'a the damn sofa and do somethin' useful, like readin'.  Mah foot'll give ya a pain in yer ar$e thet ya can meditate on all the day.  And I don't eva wanna see's ya hangin' 'round thet kid agin.  He's a badun.  Ya hear me??

Tippers [bawling to himself]:  Next time ah see's thet Sunmaster ah's a gonna put his nose on the sida of his face!

6 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

How about this for a title? "Timmy Tippars and the Way to the Stars".

Naw.  How 'bout this:

Tippers' Book-Learning Adventures In Consciousness

That would tickle the kiddies' imaginations much more.  And it would inspire them to read, too. 

2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

~ de gustibus et coloribus non disputandum,

and so I definitely will keep referring to you as Tippa instead of Tippers...

Also because Tippersporn invokes the image in my mind of a dirty old man providing tips at a shady Gogo bar to the girls...

I know: a dirty mind is a joy forever... 😁

It's not the colours I'm arguing.  It's the tastes.  Tippa?    Tippers?    See the difference now?

Here's how you imagine my visage to be . . .

Jethro Tull with the title track of their '71 Aqualung label.  I expect an upvote from @save the frogs in 1, 2, 3 . . .