Tippaporn

48 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

51 minutes ago, WorriedNoodle said:

It takes a special kind of hate in a person like the op who can politicize a natural disaster like this. Wildfires are often the result of multiple factors, including climate change, weather patterns, human behavior, and even past fire suppression policies. Trying to assign blame to any one factor or person ignores the complexity of the issue.

Exactly.

When things go south in a big way then questions need to be asked and answers gotten.  And the questions will be directed at those in charge.  If those in charge know that the questions and answers will expose them as incompetent then of course they'll try to protect themselves from appropriate blame.  And consequences.  One of those ways is to cry rivers of tears that asking hard questions equates to politicising.  It's a fallacy of logic.  But some, who don't understand logic, fall for it.  I guess you did, Lacessit.

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Information coming out now is that the water supply is adequate, most Los Angeles reservoirs are full. Being at a lower level, the pumps getting the water up to the Palisades wildfire area were unable to cope with demand.

Isn't it common sense to ensure you have enough pumps to be able to pump the required amount of water from lower levels to higher levels?  That this failure should come as a surprise to anyone is an unacceptable excuse.  The U.S. is world class in engineering and any competent engineer could have calculated the results of too few pumps.

As to the reservoirs, are there enough of them and ere they located where they needed to be?  Joe Siracusa points out that seven planned reservoirs were cancelled.  Were some of those planned to be built on higher ground?

Lots of questions to be asked and answered.  And yes, the incompetents need to go.  DEI or otherwise.

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

How about addressing Joe Siracusa's charge:

 

"Keep in mind that there are seven major water facilities that were supposed to be built but they couldn't meet the ecosystem's criteria as a result of Newsom's pushing on this angle here."

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Facing reality. 

 

Now that's woke.  He went off on so many different tangents that there didn't seem to be any point or conclusion.  At the end he seems lost in thought and then abruptly ends the video with, "enough."  LOL

12 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Currently, humanity has warmed the oceans by 1.1 degrees C.

You state that as if it were fact.  LOL  Why not be honest about it and qualify it with "I believe."

12 hours ago, riclag said:

Dem  Governor (Newsom) in California  a one time Presidential hopeful for the Toxic Dem party can kiss those dreams

good bye! He & the Dem Mayor have created a political disaster!

 

 

Another excellent video, riclag.  

20 hours ago, Will B Good said:

20 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

FACT the full link is https://gavinnewsom.com/california-fire-facts/

 

Uh oh!

 

So it is all lies?

 

How can he get away with that?

Newsom doesn't tell you all of the facts.  Up to you to find out what's missing and then, once all of the facts are assembled, can you draw a proper and accurate conclusion.  Newsom only tells you that which paints a pretty picture of him.  And he's convinced you.  If you don't ask questions you'll never know what's really true.  Ignorance is bliss, they say.

22 hours ago, WorriedNoodle said:

On 1/10/2025 at 8:03 PM, riclag said:

Everything the dems touch they destroy . Progressives visions of control are radical , destructive and the proof is in the pictures in the OP.

Such drama queen bunkum. It wasn't a political party you don't like that destroyed homes in LA. It was a fire. Even cavemen understood what fire is.

It was the policies of a political party which allowed the fires to destroy the homes.  Only rational cavemen understand that.

1 hour ago, Hawaiian said:

Exactly.  Firefighters are not only trained, most have the experience needed behind of them.   Not wearing the appropriate protective gear is suicidal.  It's almost like going to a gunfight without a gun.

It's common knowledge that the cause of death for most fire victims is smoke inhalation, not getting burned to death.  Victor Shaw seemed to not know that.

10 hours ago, riclag said:

Dem  Governor (Newsom) in California  a one time Presidential hopeful for the Toxic Dem party can kiss those dreams

good bye! He & the Dem Mayor have created a political disaster!

 

 

@Will B Good

How about addressing Joe Siracusa's charge:

"Keep in mind that there are seven major water facilities that were supposed to be built but they couldn't meet the ecosystem's criteria as a result of Newsom's pushing on this angle here."

Was that one of the liberal progressive Dem policies that had bearing on this disaster?  Any comment or analysis, Willy?  I didn't see that fact listed on Newsom's California Fire Facts website.  Are you asking yourself why?  Or are you afraid to ask questions at all because it might lead to the truth and so destroy your precious worldview?  In which case you're stuck with all that's involved in changing your ideas?

5 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

The flip-side:

 

Eaton Fire victim dies holding a hose, defending home

 

Updated: Jan 9, 2025 / 02:34 AM PST -- One of the five confirmed fatalities from the destructive Eaton Fire was identified on Wednesday morning when his family found his body on the side of the road by their home – with a garden hose still in his hand.

 

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/eaton-fire-victim-dies-holding-a-hose-defending-home/

And the full story is?  The article isn't heavy on specific details.  John Carr, for instance, had protective gear.  If you don't have that then the smoke itself can overcome you.  Hence it would be futile to stay.  From what can be gathered from the article it appears that Victor Shaw did not have any protective gear.

Whether to stay and fight or not is a decision that is dependent on a host of factors.  One of the main ones is common sense.  Unfortunately, common sense is lacking amongst many people.  Victor Shaw apparently was one of those people.

4 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Unbelievable!  How can these turkeys live with themselves; I'm talking about Bass and Newsom.

Simple.  Because they have no values.  Thus no conscience.

I lay the ultimate blame on the ignorant people who voted for them.  The old adage holds true; people always get the government they deserve.  @Will B Good, for instance, is still defending Newsom despite this massive failure for which he played a major role.  He'll keep voting for criminal ineptitude.  He want moar of the same.

Again, to all those who throw their hands up in surrender and wail that human agency is useless in the face of nature here's ordinary citizen John Carr, armed with nothing more than his common sense, the belief that he could have an impact, and guts, who saved his home and others whilst the rest of his childhood neighborhood turned to ashes.

Pacific Palisades resident John Carr, 65, defied evacuation orders to save his family home from the devastating wildfire that ravaged his neighborhood. Armed with a garden hose and determination, Carr worked tirelessly to protect the house his parents built in 1960, saying it was worth fighting for. Though exhausted and injured, Carr successfully saved his property and even prevented the destruction of neighboring homes. He criticized the Los Angeles Fire Department’s response, believing more proactive efforts could have saved additional houses. To his neighbors, Carr is a hero for his bravery and selflessness.

To quote Mr. Carr:

"When I was out here hosing the house down and getting ready, and when the houses started to burn, I-didn't-see-one-single-fire-truck-out-here-at-all.  Zero.

"If they had had some fire trucks just to put a squirt here, a squirt there, and kept an eye on things all these houses would be here right now.  I'm telling you right now I saw it with my own eyeballs.  All these houses.  These houses behind me are all gone.  They started with one little spark, one little small fire.  If they just squirted those out, had a few people out there, they'd all be here now."

Instead, the call was to evacuate and, don't worry folks, the fire department has got it in hand and will be here shortly.

Most every resident living in a fire zone should have fire fighting training.  At minimum, knowledge about wildfires and steps that can be taken when they happen.  That's a common sense idea, no?  Could of had a neighborhood full of John Carrs and saved their homes.  And, most importantly, halted the further spread of the fires due to the embers coming from their burning home wafting through the air to set the next neighborhood on fire.

18 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

Can someone who knows what they are talking about comment on this?......

 

Is it a total pack of lies, the God honest truth or a serious distortion of the facts.

 

If it is the truth where does that leave you regarding the likes of Musk and his tweets?

 

FACT: The number of CalFIRE personnel has nearly doubled since 2019 (from 5,829 to 10,741)

FACT: CalFIRE’s budget has nearly doubled since 2019 ($2 Billion to $3.8 Billion)

LIE – These Wildfires are Caused by California’s Mismanagement of Forest Lands 

FACT: The budget for managing the forest (AKA “raking the forest”) is now TEN TIMES larger than it was when Governor Newsom took office. It was a $200 million annual budget in 2018. The state has now invested $2 billion, in addition to the $200 million annually.

FACT: California dramatically ramped up state work to increase wildland and forest resilience, as well as adding unprecedented resources to support wildfire response. California officials treated more than 700,000 acres of land for wildfire resilience in 2023, and prescribed fires more than doubled between 2021 and 2023.

 

 

 

 

http://www.californiafirefacts.com

LOL.  Why didn't you link to the source, Willy?  Was it because you didn't want anyone to know that it came from one of the main players responsible for this massive tragedy?  Of course Newsom is going to make himself shine.

Hat tip to nauseus.

16 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

FACT the full link is https://gavinnewsom.com/california-fire-facts/

 

Uh oh!

Even if Newsom's supposed accomplishments are true the bottom line is that the estimates from a few days ago were $150 billion in destruction.  And counting.  So, for all of these so called accomplishments the end result is massive failure of a historic nature.

But what you don't address are the specifics of how the failed efforts to combat the fires, not to mention the policies that allowed for the tinderbox conditions to be optimized - yes, optimized - were due to California "leadership" policies.

For instance, you could start by answering the question of where the hell the fire trucks were?

Rick Caruso, who ran against LA Mayor Karen Bass, saved his shopping mall with privately contracted fire fighters.  The rest of the area burnt to the ground.  Pacific Palisades, btw, voted 70% for Karen Bass.  People always get the government they deserve, don't they?

Or, you could address the policies that led to the almost year long closure of the Santa Ynez Reservoir due to a several feet long tear in the cover.  Especially during the period of the Santa Anas when the risks of fires are at their peak and all water systems must be operable during the fire season.

Or why it was closed last February, bids for repairing the cover didn't begin until April, and it took until November before a contract was awarded.

Are those dumb azz ideas that contributed to the disaster?  Should those folks be held accountable for their mismanagement?  Or is there no accountability for failure in the liberal progressive Democratic world?  Hell, failure more often gets you promoted.

State to probe why Pacific Palisades reservoir was offline, empty when firestorm exploded

Emptying of the reservoir began in February after a tear in the floating cover measuring several feet allowed debris, bird droppings and other objects to enter the water supply. DWP drained the site to avoid contamination and comply with water regulations.

DWP sought bids for the repair in April, at a cost of up to $89,000. In November, the utility signed off on a contract with a Lakeside firm for about $130,000, records show.

The status of the repairs is unclear. The DWP’s employee union leader condemned the months-long wait to restore the reservoir.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-10/as-flames-raged-in-palisades-a-key-reservoir-nearby-was-offline

The above are just a start, Willy.

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

13 hours ago, Will B Good said:

15 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

 

It's about the people who believe in dumb azz ideas.  Since you claim that you're clueless as to what this post addresses then that's the evidence that you're one of those people.  No wake up call for you?  No five alarm bells ringing nonstop in your head?  Rose coloured glasses do that to people, I hear.

 

Dude, you mean to tell me that this uncontained fire and the massive destruction it's caused and is still causing - not simply the property casualty but the human suffering - has nothing to do with the policies of the woke California Democratic "leadership" in California  who control the state with an iron fist?  Now that's a dumb azz idea.

 

Calm down dear, calm down.

 

When you lack a reasoned response addressing points made you can always just deflect with a clever sounding sarcastic and meaningless response.  Libs are famous for using that tactic to take attention away from their own failings.

 

Dude, why not simply address the failures in policies and discuss how those contributed to the disaster?  At least responding rationally would be what any serious poster would do.  Is that too much for you?

Where'd you go, Willy?  No response?  Too much for you to take a look at the policies?

When you lack a reasoned response addressing points made you can always just deflect with a clever sounding sarcastic and meaningless response.  Libs are famous for using that tactic to take attention away from their own failings.

Seems you're proving the above to be absolutely true.  LOL.  Keep hiding.

14 minutes ago, Gobbler said:

 

Most of the <deleted> are represented here.  Where are they now.  The usual idiots are still hurling invective but a lot of them have gone into hiding.  I also hope they head straight to a hell built by democrats.  They should have to live this way forever. 

They've left because they can't bring themselves to admit they were wrong.  So they continue to repeat their invalid ideas to themselves in private, in an endless effort to convince themselves that the lies they've accepted are indeed true.

The ones that remain are the hardest of the hardcore.  True staunch believers in the lies they believe are the truth.  Yet even they realise deep down that they can't convince others any longer.  It's hopeless for them but still they persist.

9 hours ago, nauseus said:

15 hours ago, transam said:

Why didn't Trump fix all your woes during 2016/20.....?  🤔

 

Not fair. he thought he had 20-24 too.

The loss in 2020 was providential.  People had to witness with their own eyes the hellishness that the liberal, progressive Dem dumb azz ideas would produce.  The RINOs also unmasked themselves.  And, importantly, Trump had 4 years to think things through and plan for his 2nd term.

9 hours ago, Walker88 said:

I'm so happy the Fire-Man-in-Chief ("You're fired!") is going to be taking over. I have no doubt "Nobody knows more about fires than me (47)".

 

I am equally sure he has the "concept of a plan" to address fires in California, which might involved anything from sweeping forests to using nuclear weapons, as he wanted to do with Hurricane Maria.

 

No doubt if he had been in charge, those fires would have been too scared to burn and 100mph Santa Ana winds---driven by that Chinese Hoax called "climate change"---would have stopped dead in their tracks.

 

I'm going to guess his next grifting NFT will be him as a Fireman, or maybe Smokey the Bear. Astronaut, Fighter Pilot already....why not Fireman. Fahrenheit 47!

Well, it's obvious the liberal, progressive Dem policies utterly failed.  I doubt anyone could do worse.

In any case, to keep yourself on topic do you have any comment on what those failed policies were and how they could be changed?  Or are you limited to only trashing Trump?  As if that's being helpful during this crisis.

4 minutes ago, Gobbler said:

On 1/10/2025 at 7:16 PM, Will B Good said:

Relax...it will be all sorted Jan 21.

The afternoon of the 20th.  That's when BRANDON leaves and takes all the a$$hoIE$ with him.

Many of whom will be lawyering up.

9 hours ago, nauseus said:

18 hours ago, Jingthing said:

All the "evidence" they need is that the white nationalist maga movement hates seeing any minorities in positions of power and falsely conflates them as all being incompetent. They do accept TOKEN minority people as long as these TOKEN people express support for the overall maga movement which is at its core white nationalist. They are particularly very obsessed with fomenting ignorant violence inciting hatred towards transgender people. Authoritarian movements do need their scapegoats.

The truth is there are both competent and incompetent people in important positions of all kinds of descriptions. You can't generalize.

 

Last post you were all keen on facts?

Ah, to be utterly blind to your own hypocrisy.  And it gets ignored when it's pointed out.  Typical dishonesty.

9 hours ago, riclag said:

The progressive approach has been a disaster ,it was predicted over 60 years ago! Still going on strong today!

 

“Design for Disaster”

23:03:Loss of water in fire hydrants , how can

a modern water system properly designed to meet emergency fire conditions fail  to function.

1959 experts surveyed houses in brush covered canyons, don't like unsightly look of fire stations or  refuse to cut brush away from homes ,because it mars the natural beauty of the hill.

What was I saying about dumb azz ideas?

But, no, no, no.  Those dumb azz ideas did nothing to contribute to this travesty.  There were no steps or actions that anyone could possibly have taken to prevent or mitigate the fires.  Honest.  Hey, it was simply nature being nature and we humans just can't do anything about that.  We're totally helpless creatures thrust into an uncaring and unforgiving world and must simply accept our lot.

And then people are astounded that Trump got re-elected.  LOL  Dumb azz ideas create lots of pain and folks are fed up with leftist dumb azz ideas.  So they voted for someone who wants to move away from all of these dumb azz ideas and implement ideas that actually work.

9 hours ago, Will B Good said:

15 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Of course the Trump way is best......

 

Trump's Amazing Accomplishments.

• Promised to cut the deficit but added $8trillion to it.
• Promised to build a wall; completed only 458 miles out of 2,000, mostly repairs.
• Promised Mexico would pay for the wall; they didn't.
• Promised a new healthcare plan; it never existed.
• Promised a middle-class tax cut; primarily cut taxes for the rich, leaving the middle class to bear the burden.
• Promised not to play golf; made 250 visits to his own golf clubs, costing taxpayers $150 million.
• Promised to increase economic growth by 4%; didn't achieve it, President Biden did
• Promised an infrastructure plan; had none, President Biden signed a massive one.
• Promised to hire "the best people"; fired 3/4 of them, then labeled them the worst.
• Promised to reduce prescription drug prices; didn't happen, President Biden did.
• Promised to win the trade war with China; it cost about a quarter million jobs.
• Promised corporate tax cuts would benefit workers;corporations used the money to buy back stocks instead.
• Promised to revive the coal industry; more coal jobs were lost during his presidency.

 

Loan forgiveness for the wealthy who took PPP loans to remodel their homes and go on vacation.
Then came Jan 6th

 

Have all the comebacks from this post been deleted.......?

 

Strange?

Now that's squarely an off topic post if ever there was one.

9 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

Which begs the question......when these fires really started to kick off during Trump's presidency....what did he do about it?

Really?  These catastrophic fires began with Trump's first term?  Evidence, dude.  Show the evidence which makes your claim true.

But you see, there is no evidence that you'll come up with.  Because it doesn't exist.  It's the go-to leftist tactic.  Make false claims and incessantly insist they're true despite the utter lack of evidence.  And if asked to back up the claims then respond with ad hominem.

Dude, you folks have run this gambit so often that people eventually get hip to what you're doing.  No one believes you anymore.  That's now a problem for you.  You've lost all credibility.  And there's no way for you to regain it.

10 hours ago, Will B Good said:

13 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

 

It's about the people who believe in dumb azz ideas.  Since you claim that you're clueless as to what this post addresses then that's the evidence that you're one of those people.  No wake up call for you?  No five alarm bells ringing nonstop in your head?  Rose coloured glasses do that to people, I hear.

 

Dude, you mean to tell me that this uncontained fire and the massive destruction it's caused and is still causing - not simply the property casualty but the human suffering - has nothing to do with the policies of the woke California Democratic "leadership" in California  who control the state with an iron fist?  Now that's a dumb azz idea.

 

Calm down dear, calm down.

When you lack a reasoned response addressing points made you can always just deflect with a clever sounding sarcastic and meaningless response.  Libs are famous for using that tactic to take attention away from their own failings.

Dude, why not simply address the failures in policies and discuss how those contributed to the disaster?  At least responding rationally would be what any serious poster would do.  Is that too much for you?