curious297

September 16, 2020

21 minutes ago, johng said:

If you have a Non B visa and run a business why are (where) you doing 90 day visa runs ?

I prefer to get out every 90 days or so. I take a small vacation in a neighbouring country. It gives me a change of environment plus peace and quite to get some work done ???? I have a multi entry non B visa for this reason. Im normally out of the country for work quite often so I don't need to visit immigration for 90 day reporting as I have 90 days every time I leave the Thailand.

September 16, 2020

Here is my take on this topic

I've lived in Thailand for over 16 years. Fully compliant with a Non B Working Visa which is was just renewed and valid until late 2021.
I have a business which before Covid was worth in the region of 60 Million THB.
Employ over 15 Thai staff.
Pay all my Thai taxes and licenses yearly.
Have bought over 5 properties ranging from 5 million to 18 million THB.
Put my child through British standard schooling for over 14 years.
Purchased over 4 new cars, each one costing over 1 million THB each.

I visited immigration to confirm what to do about my Non B visa after the visa amnesty is over on the 26th September. I was informed that I need to write to my embassy / consulate and request a support letter to extend my Non B visa. I did this and was informed by the embassy that they will issue me a letter within 5 working days. It is written on the embassy's site that this letter is actually for British citizens that are "Stuck" in Thailand and not for people like me that are actually living here full time.

I was informed this letter, once I have receive it and take it to immigration, this will allow me 30 days extension for the price of 1,900 THB!!!! I normally pay round 1,500-2,000 THB for flights every 90 days to receive my entry stamp however, now I must pay 1,900 per month + Support letter and ~~Beg~~ visit immigration to process my request to stay!!

I will have to do the same "Support letter" process month on month (if this is even possible) to stay here in Thailand as currently, nobody can cross Thai boarders as I would usually do every 90 days to renew my entry stamp.

This is proof that no matter how many years you live in Thailand, no matter how millions you have invested in the Thai economy, whether you employ many thai staff, pay your taxes etc, you are just a glorified tourist.

What if I can only get one embassy support letter? According to Thai immigration, without this support letter, I must leave Thailand post haste, effectively ruining my business, No one to take care of my properties, will have to take my child out of university and more. This is bloody ridiculous!!!

Immigration know I have lived here for almost 20 years. Myself and immigration have a full history of my yearly visas, work permit renewals, 90 day re-entry visa stamps etc, yet I am still just a tourist.

A simple solution:

Anyone that has proof of living in Thailand for let's say over 5 years, would have complete amnesty during this Covid from having to do 90 day reporting, no need to renew visas or at least be able to renew your visa at your local immigration office.
Automatic permanent residency for those living here legally longer than 5-10 years.

Well I understand this is not Utopia and will never happen in my lifetime so I guess it's wishful thinking on my part. It would be very interesting if say the UK reciprocated the same 90 day rules to Thai's, having to leave the UK as us expats do here. Better still, all thai operated companies within the UK must employ 2-3 British citizens for every Thai working within said company, you can only imagine the outcry. Oh, and God forbid if one of your employees listed under your work permit stops working in your company for any reason, less than 90 days before your visa renewal, effectively invalidating your visa.

OK, Enough ranting.

For those British Citizens whom need to get a support letter from their embassy please read the following:

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Email: Bangkok Documentary Services at - [email protected]

This mailbox is for applications for the following consular services:

1. ED visa support letter

2. Supporting letter for Thai Nationality application

3. Submission of Affirmation of Marital Status and supporting documents prior to appointment -Please allow 2 working days for us to reply to your email

Consular letter relating to the death of a British National in Thailand (funeral directors only). A member of the team will be in touch with you as soon as possible to organise preparation and collection of documents.

Visa Extension Letters

The British Embassy can issue a letter to support applications to extend existing visas for British Nationals who require a letter to:

1. Apply for a Non-Immigrant visa OR

2. Those who are unable to travel to their country of residence due to border closures or the FCDO advises against travel to that country.

To apply, reply to this email with:

Copy of the biodata page of your passport
Entry stamp in to Thailand
Proof of residence in a third country e.g. visa (if applicable)
Supporting documents relating to your long-term visa application e.g. marriage certificate, employment contract (if applicable)

You will receive an auto-reply from us once we have received your documents. Please ensure your email is less than 5MB.

We will issue you with a letter within 5 working days of receiving all supporting documentation.

The British Embassy will not be issuing a visa extension letter to British Nationals in Thailand on short-term visas who can travel to their country of residence.

Please use our contact form for other consular enquiries www.gov.uk/contact-consulate-bangkok

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I hope this helps you and good luck.

September 5, 2020

We go to the Ice Arena ice rink in Boat Lagoon. It has easy parking and they do good prices. Sometimes only 150 THB including skates and Helmet. Also they have a nice restaurant overlooking the ice so parents can keep an eye on your kids. They have hockey club and figure skating with teachers on hand. Always a fun day out for all ages and I have to say, they have the best ice in thailand.

August 31, 2020

When is it ever safe to be black?

August 5, 2020

Most S.E Asian countries offer free residency, bank mortgages, loans, not having to leave the country for BS visas after living their country for X years. I've lived in Thailand for 16+ years and still feel like I am only a tourist. I have houses, a business, employ 20+ thais, pay my taxes, my son has been going to a British standard school for the last 12 years and now studies in Bangkok, not cheap. Between myself and my wife, we support the thai economy more than most thais will ever and yet I fear, 1 wrong paper work, one late reporting and I can not only lose my working visa resulting in not being allowed to work in my own company but also I can be thrown out of Thailand at any time.

Regardless of my large monthly contributions to Thailand,s economy I have absolutely no feeling of security here. As witnessed during this pandemic, many types of expats are not allowed to return, even those with families and business's to run. We are left to defend for ourselves and then told we must yet again pay over priced rooms for quarantine, ridiculous insurance policies and almost impossible paperwork demands. We are told we are "Dirty", to "Go back home" and all the time we are looked down at by the local authorities especially at immigration. Last year, I witnessed one immigration office throw papers and passport at my wife and shouted to "Go" because she missed a 1 paper! This does not include the same immigration officers charging for services which are listed as a free service. Let's not forget the extortion and 2 tier pricing of foreigners when applying for many government services. I recall the many demanded under table payments requested by Thai's municipality when building my company under the disguise of "if you need it, you will pay more for it. The inflated taxes when importing items that when I send my Thai worker to collect the goods, the taxes are many 1,000 THB cheaper! It all starts when no government service prices are listed for all to see or hidden behind thai script, leaving us expats wide open for Thailands corrupt practices.

I know many expats like me are in the same position and feel the same way. When Thailand stops treating us long term, money spending, Thai family supporting, expats as expendable burdens on the society, we might think differently when it comes to spending our hard earned money.

The fact that the Thai government has given permission to double charge us not only for our entertainment but for hospital services as well, police harassment with trumped up fines and penalties, Immigration showing no respect to us expats that allow them to keep their jobs, I have absolutely no encouragement to help.

July 29, 2020

Hey Red Bull family, we missed the brown paper bag the first time around. Give us some money or we will open a new can of worms ????

July 26, 2020

I believe China submitted the actual deaths from Covid 19. The rest of the world exaggerated the death figures for exploitation and political gain. When was the last time you heard anyone dying from a heart attack, strokes, cancer etc? In the west, regardless of any underlying conditions, you died from Covid. When China didn't join the BS bandwagon, they attack China saying they are lying about their death figures. Now the numbers are vastly exaggerated, the world will deal with the backlash. From what I understand, Thailand had about 60 deaths in total, with only 3 deaths in Phuket. So read between the lines. I think the master plan is still on schedule. They have kept us in our houses for months on end, closed all borders, ruined the economy and depleted our immune system. If the first wave didn't get you, the second one will. Don't take my word for it, just listen to a few of Bill and Malinda gates speech's on youtube, they even say this!

In this Video from 2015, Bill talks about our problem is not nuclear but Viral and how we are not ready. He makes an example of the Spanish Flu and how it spreads, very similar to Covid. Bill predicts that will suffer harder than the west (wrong) and will need vaccinations. I guess it didn't go to plan hence Bill offers Africa 10 Billion in aid if he can use Africa as a petri dish to experiment with vaccines. World organisations have donated 6 Billion to African countries. Not for hospitals or better housing and education but for contraception. You see the bigger picture now? Was it premonition or was it a plan?

I guess he's tired of dealing with Windows OS viruses, now he tries his hands at Human ones!!!

Remember, this video is from 2015. If you cant be bothered to listen to the full 8+ minutes, then just listen from 8.20. Bill says it all. Gotta love that smile ????

July 24, 2020

Where's Raymond Reddington when you need him???? He'd probably fix this for free ????

July 23, 2020

First the shops hide the cigarette packets yet I can place a packed in open view in public. Isn't that advertising? Smoking a cigarette outside where everyone can see me, isn't that advertising also?

Then they make us hide any pictures of alcohol on the menu, Facebook ads etc yet if I put my Chang labelled cold glass of beer on the table whilst eating in a restaurant, isn't that advertising?

What's next? Maybe we should not be allowed to show pictures of my delicious looking food dishes on the menu as it could encourage obesity? Perhaps all home drinking cabinets should be treated like gun cabinets, with biometric readers, locks and such?

We hear about stabbings all the time but you can advertise and buy as many knives as you want.

You can overdose on many types of pills for example Aspirin yet they are available to buy in large killing quantities, over the counter all day, every day without a prescription.

Daily aspirin behind more than 3,000 deaths a year, study suggests

How many car showrooms are advertising and selling their killing machines unchecked (I have never been asked whether I have a drivers license when buying a car) all day, everyday attributing to one of the biggest causes of deaths amongst Thai people, even more than Covid 19 but again, that's OK.

The government are not our parents yet they feel that they must guide is in ~~their~~ the right direction which is what exactly?

Most under aged start drinking and smoking not because of advertising but because of the easy access to alcohol and cigarettes at home. It starts with parents educating their children yet the government wants to treat us adults as their siblings. The difference is, when you do wrong, there's no slap on the wrist, it's a 50K fine and possible prison, really!!!

Did you ever see hard drugs like cocaine, yaba, weed advertised? People still know about it, know how and where to get it. Why not destroy the film industry as I am sure they are to blame for all that drug use promotion and shameless alcohol product placements. Why not sue them for millions instead of killing restaurants just trying to make a living?

For years, I used love watching Cheers, the TV show. Never caused me to start drinking or smoking.

Is this picture of a TV bar even allowed in Thailand? If so, I can show a fake bar but God forbid I show a real working bar!!!

Whatever happened to common sense?

Here is the Alcoholic Beverage Control Act (2008) for the Curious ones in english.

July 9, 2020

What did I learn from this pandemic?

1. I love my own company.

2. Saved a lot of money NOT going out spending it on BS.

3. The internet is a wonderful thing.

4. Found new recipes from the odds and sods in the fridge.

5. Someone came out of the bedroom, oh yeah, I have a son ????

6. I can plan to do absolutely nothing and not feel guilty.

7. 24 hours can seem soooo much longer.

8. Books are cool.

9. Got really good at driving sims in my VR rig.

10. Don't argue with wifey, you ain't got nowhere to run!!!

11. Visa runs are not necessary.

12. Cleaning the house is just not fun.

13. Stopped ironing clothes.

14. My Thai neighbours are even more noisy during the daytime.

15. I don't need to run the air-con all day.

16. Do I really use that much electricity?

17. People know you are definitely home.

18. Face masks suck.

19. It's a lot easier to wake up later than usual.

20. <deleted> big brother, wifey is watching!!!

July 9, 2020

See it for what it really is, it's a Power Trip. Hang on to what little power you think you have until you don't. When was it the responsibility of a teacher to cut students hair? Teachers are there to educate yet we hear teachers are also hitting, bullying, punishing with cruel and unnecessary behaviour, stealing lunches of children, all without parents consent and it's not only Thailand. Far too many instances of teachers "tripping" over trivial student matters. My kid roles with a healthy afro. He loves it and makes him happy. He likes when the girls curiously touch his hair as they've never seen anything like it in real. It never stopped him from learning and is mostly in the top of his class. Any teacher that cuts my sons hair without my permission will have my wrath to deal with. I pay then handsomely to educate, not to practice their barber skills.

Teachers should have a new motto:

Feed the child's mind and not your ego.

June 28, 2020

6 minutes ago, lee b said:

Just imagine if we could develop a kind of space craft to send humans there, They meet up and we infect them with the COVID virus, I wonder what they would think of us ?????

I think it won't be that long to find out. Once we develop a working A.I. to save the world, it will probably decide that we humans are the virus on this earth and should be destroyed then the world will be ok.

June 28, 2020

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

You argue 'god like powers' then restrict them to the speed of our technology.

You seem confused rather than curious.

I made no argument "regarding God like powers". There was no debate however, I did say....

"It could be they are so advanced they would have GOD like powers or technology."

"Any Aliens which can travel to earth will have technology far greater than ours."

Where did I, as you wrote, "restrict them to the speed of our technology"? The reference to speed was regarding the speed of terrestrial TV / radio transmissions travelling through space. Now, if aliens could bend space and time, it would take but an instant to traverse the universe or perhaps they have access to a stable worm hole and could possibly travel to Earth in minutes but that is a whole new conversation.

My deepest apologies if my post was too confusing for you. Anyone else need I explain in more detail?

Now I am curious if you are still confused ????

June 28, 2020

On 6/23/2020 at 10:31 AM, GalaxyMan said:

It also has ZERO to do with race. The black is representative of the soot that Sinter Klaus' helper, Pete, got all over himself as he'd go down and up the chimneys delivering gifts. People need to grow up already and quit ascribing meanings that just aren't there. ????

I'm confused. The helpers are originally white? So as they climbed these chimneys, they happened to grow big red lips, curly black nappy hair. You mentioned "The black is representative of the soot that Sinter Klaus' helper, Pete, got all over himself as he'd go down and up the chimneys delivering gifts" and yet their clothes remain mysteriously clean? Oh yeah, that old jackanory.

Looks familiar?

I'm guessing if black people was to dress up as a generic white face, it would look something like this.

Or better, Christmas we should get black folk to hand out candies to little white children dressed up like the Dwayne brothers from the movie White Chicks. It would be a great social experiment to see the reaction of white folk and their children. How many parents would allow their kids to take candy these woman knowing they were really black people underneath?

better still, Dave Chappelle's white face

June 28, 2020

It would be highly improbable that any aliens would have evolved at the same rate as human civilisation therefore aliens will either be way behind us or much more advanced. Any Aliens which can travel to earth will have technology far greater than ours. If theses aliens have any form of weaponry, it will also be more advanced than us. We would probably considered the level of early man or even less. It could be they are so advanced they would have GOD like powers or technology. If this is the case, they could probably wipe out the whole human race quite easily. We have been broadcasting signals into space for over a century. Just to give perspective, it takes a radio signal 5.5 hours to reach Pluto (4.9 Billion miles or 0.0006228 light years from earth) which means approx. 10 hours between communications. At 100(ish) light years away, aliens would be receiving broadcasts from earth from around 1950's, that's 70 years ago! Right now, aliens would be watching the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II broadcasted in 1953. If E.T. could phone home, he'd have a long wait for any reply.

June 27, 2020

5 minutes ago, GAZZPA said:

Because it is illegal, that's why. Until the outline the NEW law (with whatever changes they may be) it is still illegal.

All illegal in Thailand

Driving shirtless

Driving with no seatbelt

Jaywalking

Stepping on Money

Drinking alcohol in a governmental office

Plus many more......

By your reckoning, anyone doing the above should go to jail because as you say, it's illegal. Grow a wild plant that has been on this earth probably longer than civilisation itself and you go to jail.

Let's look at Salvia which is legal in Thailand.

Salvia divinorum (also known as Sage of the Diviners, Seer’s Sage, Yerba de la Pastora, Ska Maria, or simply salvia) is a plant species known for its hallucinogenic effects due to psychoactive compounds in its leaves.

The differences of these two…
Well, both are herbs of some kind. The one is used to a very humid environment but can be trained to live in dry environments as well (Salvia). One is like weed (guess which one ???? ) and can be “bred” (or multiplied) very easy, the other one will reproduce mainly through clones.

Both can be smoked, both can be consumed orally –but in different ways. Both can also be vaporised – but at different temperatures (salvia needs more heat)

Both are drugs, both can be used for healing (in a wider sense).

Now the two drift apart…

Weed can be classified as recreational drug, one can use it for having fun, for meditating, for being creative, for being lazy, to aid you in good sleep, and much more. But weed is not really a hallucinogen. With high doses you might get some optical illusions and maybe even morphing or stuff like this, but you pretty much stay where you are, who you are and what you are (ok, the last one I disagree a little bit, I had very few experiences where I was feeling like a semi colon. Why? I don’t know. It was good quality, it probably was just a bit much. It was not frightening, I had a clear mind.

But you will find many info about weed everywhere, so I will focus on salvia.

Salvia. Salvia Divinorum. Göttersalbei (sage of gods), Aztekensalbei,…

The plant has many names and many of them refer to its purpose.
The high only lasts for a short time and you will be fine afterwards. Maybe a little within your thoughts (That’s good!), but no hangover.
The purpose is not “getting high and have a great time”. Oh no, not at all. It is much deeper, much more into yourself or the universe or whatever there is. Is there something? Are we just a bunch of thoughts, repeating themselves over and over again? (you might already see where this is going)

Weed is illegal because it's political, easy to grow and hard to tax. There are no BigPharm drugs that can have the same calming effects for Parkinsons without some serious side effects, a hell of a lot more expensive and greatly reduced doses.

So just because something has been illegal for years, it does not mean it should be as it is currently being proven around the world. It's time for many countries to wake up and understand it's time for change. I will never understand that I cannot grow weed and have a good nights with the main side effects being horny, happy and hungry vs alcohol which can make you aggressive, abusive, addictive, kill you and even others around you (Drunk Drivers) but I guess that's ok as long as you pay your taxes right?

June 26, 2020

1 hour ago, rasmus5150 said:

The new norm...

June 25, 2020

Can the authorities legally enforce the requirement that every entertainment establishment must install CCTV and ensure they keep records for a month? Right now it can only be a policy. The authorities will check you have recordings going back 1 month or you will get a fine, they are not interested in viewing the actual contents. Do they have the actual resources to view the recordings? It'a a pure money grab in my opinion and vaguely worded to ensure the free flow of brown envelopes. Eagerly waiting for the first court case.

June 24, 2020

1 hour ago, DaRoadrunner said:

Who owes the money, the company or the person? If it is the company and he is about to declare bankruptcy you will find it hard to reclaim anything. In which case sue the man and you may get somewhere. There appears to be other collateral you could claim on.

Lawyers fees look extortionate. Try a different lawyer.

Both the company in the process of liquidation and the owner are both listed on the contract. It seems as soon as put the company on the contract, he started liquidation process without informing me which I have read is a criminal offence. At no time has he informed me. I informed him that I got hold of the latest DBD and it shows currently but not yet complete liquidation in progress.

June 24, 2020

11 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

Well if he liquidates, legal or not, what will he have for you to sue for?

Lawyers fee's seem ridiculously high, when there is NO guarantee of their performance, or he might take a retainer and tell you the same thing I just told you.

My point exactly. I remember the case of the young thai girl driver that killed mini bus passengers by crashing into their bus and forcing it over the bridge in Bangkok some 10 years ago. She finally paid the court awarded compensation 10 years late and only due to embarrassment by social media. It seems to me that even if the courts agree and I win, there is nothing forcing him to pay or am I wrong?

June 24, 2020

14 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

What was the collateral given for the loan ?

regards worgeordie

I have insisted on some form of collateral. He is a developer and has many condo's, land etc however, he says he has nothing to give. He says If I do not agree to his delayed repayment terms then I should take him to court.

June 24, 2020

My apologies if have posted this in the wrong forum.

A Thai developer and his company owe me a substantial amount of money. I have a signed contract including the company name, Thai owners name, his thai ID etc. on it with a Thai developer company that outlines a repayment schedule of money owed. This money was to be paid back over a period of 12 month with the final payment in September 2020. The first 3 instalments are paid but paid late and never on time. I accepted this as he paid something with a promise to pay the rest on time.

Now we have this Covid virus issue the thai company owner states that he can’t pay as per the schedule agreed in the contract because money he was supposed to receive he didn’t get. Currently he is 6 payments late and now wants to make another payment schedule over and beyond what is outlined in the contract. He has paid some interest on the outstanding balance but still not enough to cover the agreed terms of the contract.

2 weeks ago, I had a Thai lawyer write to the company owner with a deadline of the 15th of this month (June which has now passed) to catch up on all outstanding money including interest as outlined in the contract and to continue with the outlines repayment schedule until completion. So far, the developer has informed that he can pay a few hundred thousand next month, same again for August and then restart payment of the scheduled load starting in September. It sounds like delaying tactics to me.

My lawyer says I have 90 days to take him to court and make a criminal case from the date of the letter. He wants to base the court case on the failure of the developer to notify me in writing that he is in the process of liquidating the company listed on the repayment contract which is deemed illegal. I personally don’t see how this would return the outstanding money

I have two issues:

1. The company that he listed in the contract that holds the debt, I found out he is in the process of liquidating it. As far as I am aware, any thai company that is going through liquidation, you are legally supposed to notify any one that is owed money by said company which he never did. It seems he is trying to remove all assets from said company.

2. What would be the best way to proceed legally to recover the outstanding money. If we go the CIVIL ROUTE, my lawyer is asking for :

* Alternative 1. 500k for his fees plus 2% court fees. No performance even if we win.

* Alternative 2. 100k retainer and bill by the hour, plus 2% court fees and no performance even if we win.

If we choose to file CRIMINAL CHARGES, he is asking for 200k upfront plus 10% if we win.

I find these costs outrageous to pay a retainer and a win fee which would be in the region of 1.6 million THB not including the retainer.

If anyone or lawyers out there can offer some solid advice how to proceed, it would be appreciated.

June 19, 2020

Poster JVS, You say "Never happened." How interesting you are going to tell me what I saw against what you believe I saw. You can tell me 110% it never happened bearing in mind you was not there? We are blessed you are not a judge of law.

June 19, 2020

England had the Black & White Minstrels show starting in 1958 before being cancelled 20 years later. Even then, staff at the BBC showed their distaste for the show as it depicted the worst stereotype of a black man by white people dressed as blacks. Today is considered offensive and even racist. The point of concern was no black person looked, talked or spoke like the white actors portrayed. I never saw a black man with such big white lips, exaggerated large eyes, and dressed like... i have no idea? This show might have been acceptable way back in the 50's however, today, you would find it difficult getting this type of show back on any mainstream TV channel and for good reason.

I am old enough to remember watching Black & White Minstrels show in the UK in the 70's. I was confused why these "blackmen" looked, dressed and sounded wrong until my parents explained it to me. Even then as a young, innocent 6 year old, I knew something was not quite right. In my later years, white kids would do their own impressions of the Minstrels which could be considered even more condescending. As you know, children have no bounds when it comes to taking the <deleted>.

Here is a video showing the Black & White Minstrels show to teenagers today. Watch to hear their comments and see their reactions.

Some years later, I moved to Amsterdam. It was my first ever Christmas spent in the Netherlands. Whilst shopping, I come across Black Pete actors collecting money in the streets. My first reaction was surprise and then that same feeling I had as a boy watching the Black & White Minstrels came flooding back. I didn't know or care to know the story of black Pete, I just saw white people dressed up as black people, with their nappy hair, big red lips and dressed in a way no black person would be seen dead wearing. My dutch friends tried to explain to me the story yet somehow, the words had no foundation to what my eyes were seeing.

"They are Santas helpers" they said in a sheepish manner especially looking at my confused expression. "OK" I said, "So Where does Santa get these helpers from, as I don't know any black people living in the North Pole?". The situation got awkward very quickly.

I recalled what I had learned about slavery and The Netherlands heavy involvement (The Netherlands was one of the last countries to abolish slavery in 1863.) What I was looking at just felt wrong and made me feel very uncomfortable. Keep in mind, I had no idea or never heard about story of Black Pete. I just saw what I saw, white people depicting their misconstrued idealistic view of Black people.

So, let's compare Dutch Black Pete and the Black & White Minstrels. Do you see any similarities?

I would ask anyone here if they know of any black person that looks, dresses, talks and acts like these 2 examples of the misrepresentations of a Black man? I for sure, do not.

June 15, 2020

Systemic racism slows economic growth

I agree 110%. This is not a new problem especially in America. Let's go back 150 years or so and Imagine how the US economy would have thrived if the following acts of systemic racism never happened. I'm tired of hearing how the black man is lazy, good for nothing, drain on the country's resources, chip on their shoulder, forget the past and move on attitudes. It is said that you never really know someone until you walk a mile in their shoes. Let's take a walk down the dark road of Americans hidden, untaught history of systemic racism.

This is no way intended to be about racial profiling so admins, you do not need to delete this post however, it is about American history and how it repeats itself especially when left unchecked and not taught as a reminder of how things have not really changed. In many of the recent news reports, the question that keeps being asked is "Where is the black leadership during these riots?" Let us ask the same question in reverse during the following historical events. Keep in mind, unlike 9/11 that we are forced not to forget, take a walk with me down memory lane as a reminder of how conveniently forgetful history can be. The following are just some of the factual events which stained American history. Many here will not take the time to review this post and it's contents and that is your right however, for those that do, I applaud you.

The Wilminton race riots -1898 ( less than 100 miles from George Floyds home town of Fayetteville, North Carolina)

The Elaine Massacre - 1919

The Rosewood Massacre 1923

Tulsa's Black Wall Street Massacre 1921

And finally from another prospective

So yes, I do agree that systemic racism does slow economic growth.

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