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11 minutes ago, ddavidovsky said:
Any thoughts for that security officer who was just doing his job dealing with a fractious idiot on a plane? Have you wondered whether he has a wife and kids? People who lose their jobs lose their livelihoods, their reputations - possibly even their marriages. They can be a suicide risk - oh yes. There's a life thoroughly ruined. Anyone who is happy with that is a dangerous and irresponsible member of society.
This is faux-outrage because it's a trivial event. Some idiot getting a bloody nose he asked for (by breaking the rules he was contracted to) is not worth campaigning over - certainly not worth a torch-and-pitchfork outrage costing people's jobs and livelihoods. Perspective needed.
It's not trivial. Perhaps all this faux-outrage has hardened you. Although it's interesting you've suddenly sprouted empathy and compassion for the other guy.
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53 minutes ago, ddavidovsky said:
Probably. I don't underestimate the power of faux-outrage. It destroys lives like nothing else.
I get what you're saying. I still don't disagree with you about the faux-outrage, crusaders, SJWs, etc., but on this one, IMO, the airlines need to pause and re-calibrate in a few areas. And it's not SJW's and moaners, it's the people who were there raising the alarm after what they saw.
Airlines have become too cavalier with this expectation of unquestioned compliance, backed by the full force of the law at their fingertips. And having the automatic benefit of the doubt under the "security" blanket of 9/11. That's power and power corrupts.
Their response thus far seems to bear out an obstinate culture. Us and them. This "oh, we might not press charges on him" comment shows how disconnected and cavalier they've become. They are not infallible, beyond reproach, questioning and accountability; not just to the board and shareholders, but to the flying public they still refer to as "their customers". 86 million of them last year. They need to wise up and quit being so ham handed. Quick. Or the public will do it for them.
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6 minutes ago, ddavidovsky said:
As far as I understand, the airline's rules on this issue are stated in the small print and the customer has legally bound himself in an explicit contract to those rules in buying the ticket. In a restaurant, as there's no explicit contract covering the issue, basic consumer rights would apply and the customer would have a genuine grievance.
That's clear enough to me and and I'm not even a lawyer.
In any case, neither of us was there at the time so we don't know exactly how it happened. Experience tells me though that most likely the security men requested the man politely but firmly at first to accompany them off the plane. They would be trained to do that. They wouldn't have known in any case what this was all about - they were simply told to remove the passenger.
No doubt after several refusals, at which point they could see the man wasn't in his right mind, he was deemed to be a potential danger to the flight and was forcibly ejected. That was correct.
How he managed to get back in is the only question worthy of investigation here - he could have been a genuine psycho.
The point is the reason this all started to being with. United is not the only airline pulling this bullshit day in day out, but the holes in the Swiss cheese lined up, they were too cocky and cavalier, and now they are out there on front street. Senior management is trying to set the tone in the media, but it's not going well, people are buying this crap. They are going to lose this one. Other airlines are watching this and have likely sent out internal memos already.
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Just seems (it may not be true) that US flight attendants have developed short fuses and chips on their shoulders in the last couple decades since....you know. Quick to call in law enforcement intervention, like a personal, on-demand, government funded bouncer service. Just use the right buzz words "He might be a THREAT!", off you go, to airport jail for attitude adjustment.
Doesn't matter if you're in the right, if you argue or stick up for yourself, you are irrational, possibly mentally disturbed, and that shoe horns you into the "threat" category even more.
These flight attendants are jaded, dealing with the same shit day in day out. They might simply have enough one day, and make an example out of someone to vent their accrued frustration, and the fact they hate their jobs. It doesn't take long either, they fall into the "culture". My 1st wife was a trolley dolly. Said all her colleagues were in agreement - worst part of the job was passengers. If they could do away with them, it would be the perfect career, flying around the world in empty airplanes.
This guy was clearly in a state, wanting to go home. Maybe chose somebody else that might not be so disagreeable or high strung about it. But no. That's no longer the point. He failed to comply with trolley dolly's orders which were bullshit and corporate designed to begin with - but never mind that now. Call in the cops, maybe they can intimidate him into complying. If not, well, whatever they do, and we know what that is........ isn't my fault. I bet the Dollies were enjoying the spectacle at first. Bet they aren't now.
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Wow, even the former CEO is getting in on doubling down. He boils it right down rather matter-of-factly. There are limited seats and somebody has to leave. And this passenger handled being removed from the flight in an immature way. "Acting like a child".
Not a hint of acknowledgement that it's United (and all the rest as well) that CREATE this situation day in day out. The fact that the flying public has been conditioned their willful practice and that the public "usually" handles being denied boarding with aplomb, is very telling of their true attitude. It's our fault. Not theirs. Talk about childish! Not to mention callous, cavalier and WAY out of touch with reality.
Shytown aviation thug who pulled the guy out... on leave pending investigation. An investigation with a predictable outcome being they stated publicly that the event was not handled IAW their policies and guidelines.
Next up: The United station manager who thought $800 was high enough, screw these arse holes, call in the thugs and try to intimidate this idiot passenger off the plane.
CEO: He made his bed early on and doubled down. No sympathy for whatever the board my do to him a few weeks or months from now.
I would not have wanted to be the United employee who wound up sitting in this seat, for which all this was done so he or she could go to work.
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Just now, ddavidovsky said:
There certainly is. Everything gets into the media and everyone is getting more sensitive, and SJWs have crept out of the woodwork to rant about every little thing - that's what's changed.
I remember years ago seeing a guy forcibly ejected in similar fashion from Washington DC bus station. I assure you that wasn't even mentioned in the local papers. See what I mean about perspective?
Indeed. Especially way over here, getting a concentration of selected "news worthy" items fed via internet cable plugged into my arse. One would think the whole world is about to implode.
I'm aware of that trap. Considered it before thinking outside the box.
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24 minutes ago, ddavidovsky said:
I shouldn't think an airline is legally or morally obliged to offer out-of-proportion compensations, or else passengers will start holding an airline to ransom in such cases, simply by childishly refusing to get off.
The amount offered seems more than fair to me - I would have taken it, especially I'd been randomly selected to get off.
This chap should simply have got off and quit whining. When he refused to budge, security was obviously told to remove the man. When he still refused to budge - well, you don't mess with security in the US - they physically ejected him. Quite right.
The social justice warriors have latched onto the case and are screaming outrage as usual, calling for law cases and sackings. They need objectivity and perspective.
I would normally agree with the general (very general) sentiment but, in this case, no. This one tips the other way IMO.
Even with the above post's video showing the guy scampering along and blabbering that he has to go home. Perhaps moreso BECAUSE of that. At any rate, he was just roughed up and dragged, like a field stripped deer carcass, off the plane. Whatever marbles he had up there got scrambled. Physical abuse, especially if you're not accustomed to it, effects people differently but universally, it DOES effect them and makes them do all sorts of weird shit in Fight of Flight mode.
That aside, to me and maybe a few others on here, this is more than some guy getting dragged off a plane. This is representative of something bigger and more sinister. A shifting paradigm.
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1 hour ago, kkerry said:
Oh dear, this is big time on main stream media..... United CEO has got to be shrinking in his big leather swivel chair. He issued a full-throated "statement of support" to his troops at first, but suspect he'll be pulling a U-turn faster than PM Prayuth did on pick ups and seat belts.
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That would be a way to mess with his head one last time over this. When it's his turn, they put the existing bag of cards to the side and bring out a new one. He'll object, "Foul, that bag is full of Red cards!". Army guy just smiles and says, "Dunno. Are you feeling lucky? Stick your hand in there, let's find out."
They're all black.
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1 hour ago, MorristheRunt said:
Not id they all rise up as one.
How many elite are in this country>? A very tiny minority, they could be crushed within hours if the people wanted.
There are increasingly shorter intervals between these kinds of revelations of abuse and corruption. The army 's pleas to not share or talk about them in the main stream media and social media, in the name of national unity, peace and order, are becoming less weighty and influential. Each one saps their assumed authority. Being forced to back down on the seat belt/pick up enforcement is another ripple on the pond. They know they are on borrowed time.
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1 hour ago, Sphere said:
I'm no maths teacher, but if someone saw him 3-4 days ago, it's quite possible he died after that sighting.
I thought the same thing. Meant to say he saw the dead neighbor's ghost.
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That should keep many indoors and out of the fray.
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12 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:
"Kim can't tie his shoes without China's permission" Really? I wish that were so.
Thanks.
About time China took responsibility for their science experiment run amok.
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7 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:
It's been over 60 yrs since the Korean War. People should move onward. I think it's long past time to blame the Russkies, Uncle Sam or China for what's going on there.
When I was a baby, I fell out of a basinette and injured some fingers. Both my children, when they were babies, fell out of cradles and suffered injuries. Yet I and my brood grew up, and we don't dwell on injuries from infancy. We don't blame our moms for not setting the cradles in safe positions.
The 3 N.Korean leaders since the war are all like immature babies who either aren't willing or are incapable of bringing their countries toward sanity and modern times. With one public utterance, Fat Boy Kim could start the process toward sanity. He could stand in front of a mic and declare:
"The two Koreas should be one nation. I pledge to do all I can to facilitate that process, and encourage all Koreans in the north to assist in the peaceful process of uniting all Koreans toward one great nation."
I agree with that. I think the US would like nothing more than to get the heck out of there. Unfortunately Kim can't tie his shoes without China's permission, and S. Korea would never accept N. Korea's current governing system. Stale mate continues.
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24 minutes ago, otherstuff1957 said:
I'm worried that Trump will use this as a distraction from his troubles at home. If the Senate or House committees find any more evidence of Trump/Russia cooperation from before the elections, he may decide that a quick strike against N. Korea could be a useful distraction, after all, nothing rallies people behind a leader like a little war!
Unfortunately, the consequences of a 'surgical strike' would be pretty much unpredictable, though I am sure that fat boy would do SOMETHING!
I'm thinking 2 clever ones (Putin and Xi) are playing Trump like a Chump. The Fat Kid is the rattle toy being used. Obama and Bush did their best to ignore him. Trump has taken the bait.
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8 hours ago, sirineou said:
Grass , right?
Let's ask this guy.
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3 hours ago, baboon said:
What does it matter who did? It was Koreans striving to reunite Korea.
If the S. Koreans were so willing, why was a military invasion necessary?
N. Korea was dealt a shitty hand after WW2. But they went with what they got with Russia. S. Korea went with what they got with the Americans. S. Korea has done well. N. Korea has not.
Best direct that anger and resent where it belongs. Russia. And China. Not the Americans. Or S. Korea.
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I'm only guessing your tax/income situation is not complicated. That being the case, agree with Tonray^, if you can use Facebook and ThaiVisa, you can do your taxes on line in no time. Just a bit of reading, minor prep work, it's not difficult.
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US has no grand designs on N. Korea. The only people who pretend the US is remotely interested in N. Korea and would attack it, are the paranoid, attention seeking N. Koreans. It's really annoying.
One phone call from Xi, the paranoid kid who's out of his depth, will cease and desist. It might be time to put this baby to bed though. We'll see how this pans out and if Xi was just paying the usual lip service to Trump.
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10 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:
I'll keep my focus on real threats to my person. I'll leave the paranoia to you and your fellow travelers.
Are you ex-mil by chance? American? At times, I suss a familiar discipline in your approach to these articles. Hovering at the 5,000' level, maintaining perspective. Aye? Nay? Not even close?
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5 hours ago, humqdpf said:
Can you imagine, between courses, when Trump says, "yeah, send in the missiles," the position that the Chinese interpreter was in. Only later would Trump explain that he was just dealing with a little bit of nastiness in Syria - nothing to worry about, Mr Xi!
And that evening, Xi calls Kim Jon Un on the secure noodle line and tells him to knock off the BS, cause this Tlump guy, he leally clazy, mo' clazier dan you!
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Cool! Should also help reduce the parking issues at PTT 7/11s.
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2 hours ago, scottiejohn said:
<SNIP>The time difference to process a credit/debit card versus 1000 Baht cash is infinitesimal! Whether the note proffered is 100 or 1000 Baht the cashier/server will always count the change out the same number of times. About the same as the Card reader! <SNIP>
I agree, presuming there's no internet/transmission or server bounces at that time.
Not too bad with fast cashiers but for some of the not so fast ones, and in addition to your point about possibly counting change more than once, you also need to factor in:
- Time they spend fiddling about with those stupid little stamps if there's a promo on.
- Then they hand you EVERYTHING at once - bills, coins, some of those stupid stamps and a receipt!
- You put down your wallet and items (if only 1 or 2).
- Get the receipt out of the neat mess, ask the cashier to throw in the bin while trying not to look like a schmuck dumping coins all over the counter.
- Maybe count the change again yerself
- Put the coins and little farkin' stamps in your pocket so your wife can find them later after shorts/pants go through the washing machine.
- Open wallet and put bills away, making sure they are all in proper denomination and color code order.
- Collect your stuff and leave.
* Additional random delay factor with cash is, due to too many farang boneheads buying 7 Baht water bottles with 1,000 Baht bills, cashier runs out of change, and has to sort that out too.....
Meanwhile, guy with a Visa card is waiting patiently, tapping card on his palm.
Officer on leave after dragging United Airlines passenger off plane
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Nope. Quit at $800 (company policy/max is $1,350) and called in the bruisers instead. Gunna teach these pax a lesson they won't soon forget. Indeed, many pax and potential future pax, could very well remember this for some time to come.