Duindam

I'm very happy with my decision of buying a Kawasaki D-Tracker, and the low power – considering that the bike I wanted to buy before (Tiger X-Road 250) only has 16 horsepower while weighing 130kg, I can accept the power of the Kawasaki

Thanks for all the advice, I bought a Kawasaki D-Tracker 250, the Versys is an impressive motorcycle and for a few seconds I wanted one. But realistic I only travel a few kilometers per day, from Suthisarn Road to Lad Phrao and visa-versa.

The Kawasaki D-Tracker is more expensive than what I originally planned to spend. But I will likely only use the bike for less than three years and everybody tells me that I would get much more back for a Kawasaki compared to the other brand I was considering.

The Tiger online shop was not owned or operated by Tiger Motor Co. Ltd, but rather by a member of this forum (who is NOT the son of a Tiger executive!). He ran the shop as a hobby and the rumors that it paid for his beautiful house are simply ridiculous. Again, this is covered in great detail on his Tiger forum- simply put the owner has decided that he needs to focus on his main business and no longer has time to run the online shop.

I never suggested that the Tiger shop owner was related to TIGER Motor Co. Ltd. Second, and again, I never said anything about the house of the online Tiger shop owner. Apparently people on this forum invent things said so they can discredit other people.

And as Tiger expert you don't even know what is wrong with Mr. Pariya, what is the last time you contacted him? People, like me, who are actually wanted to buy a Tiger motorcycle call people send emails and visit showrooms and learn a few things more than they tell on a dedicated Tiger forum. One of the reasons the Tiger Sachs Club forum is so positive about Tiger motorcycles is that they deleted threats regarding problems they cannot solve

Best value for money supermoto? Yes

Best supermoto? No

What would be a better supermoto?

This afternoon I will visit Kawasaki to look at a D-Tracker 250. According to my brother in law the Kawasaki is the best supermotard bike available in Thailand (strong statement).

What are the experiences from people, who actual have a D-Tracker 250 - what are the Pros and Cons?

I'm obvious new to this forum and post recently a few posts regarding Tiger motorcycles. But I personally have little experience dealing with Tiger motorcycles. Most information regarding Tiger motorcycle I get from this and a few other forums, it's remarkable what you can learn about a motorcycle brand from reading back some forum history.

Even with a quick look at the forum you can see several recent forum topics regarding Tiger motorcycle's quality and customer service.

So your knowledge of Tiger Motorcycles is based on what you have read on this and other forums?

And although you have never had a Tiger bike and don't know anyone who has the majority of your posts just happen to be about Tiger motorcycles?

And your knowledge of motorbikes in Thailand is such that you were unaware that their owners often took them to be blessed by monks?

Bye-bye .....

Please not start inventing words I never said... I said before that I was looking to buy a motorcycle, first I was very interested in a X-Road and after reading a few topics regarding Tiger I started thinking about a Tiger Boxer 250 RS.

My brother in law, is a police officer and has a Tiger Boxer 200cc motorcycle, and, while we cannot count him as a Tiger supporter, I did ride the bike a few times around his neighborhood.

Tiger Motor yesterday informed me that the Tiger Boxer 250 RS is out of production (not sure if the lady I spoke to meant forever or just for now). Tiger hopes to have the X-road 250 available at the end of the month, the lady I spoke with was clearly not sure about things.

Calling for the famous Mr. Pariya ended at the telephone operator girl telling me 'no no I connect you', I was also not sure what she told me as she disconnected the line, which was likely an honest mistake. Second call I did not get Mr. Pariya but was transferred to a female who was very capable communicating in English.

On another forum I read that Mr. Pariya is probably not in the office for the next 4 months, as he had a serious accident playing soccer.

Today my brother in law will bring me to Kawasaki.

For Tiger I cannot say that something is wrong, but when you go buy something and things not 100% feel right you best do a few steps back to reconsider.

What looks not 100% right?

In the last few weeks we hear more about Tiger motorcycle problems than in the last year. Tiger online shop discontinues operation. Mr. Pariya, who most foreigners are told to contact, is out of reach with a soccer accident in which he broke a bone in his feet. Production of motorcycles is stopped and nobody seems to be able to tell when it starts.

Maybe other people will say who cares and buy a motorcycle anyway, but I have a funny feeling and maybe it's nothing – it's enough for me to reconsider other motorcycle brands.

Funny you say you joined this forum because you are interested in purchasing a Tiger motorcycle but you haven't joined the Tiger forum that is specifically focused on that brand.

Once again you're making wild assumptions based on nothing.

If you took a moment to review the other forum that is dedicated to the Tiger brand you would know that Tiger is adding fuel injection to the Boxer 250RS which is why the bike is presently not available.

Who told you Khun Pariya broke a bone in his foot? Where did you hear this? I only know what I read on the Tiger forum. I don't actually know the details of his injury, only that he has required major surgery. A broken bone in the foot will not require major surgery or keep one away from work for a long period of time.

The Tiger online shop was not owned or operated by Tiger Motor Co. Ltd, but rather by a member of this forum (who is NOT the son of a Tiger executive!). He ran the shop as a hobby and the rumors that it paid for his beautiful house are simply ridiculous. Again, this is covered in great detail on his Tiger forum- simply put the owner has decided that he needs to focus on his main business and no longer has time to run the online shop.

Certainly if Tiger can't supply you with the bike you want you should look at other brands, but your continued bashing of the brand, the bikes and the employees really smells fishy Richard, erm I mean Roy...

No more posts about Tiger from me sure. By the way it was his left foot - and yes it sounds funny somebody require major surgery or keep one away from work for a long period of time. So probably something more is going on, what you think?

I'm obvious new to this forum and post recently a few posts regarding Tiger motorcycles. But I personally have little experience dealing with Tiger motorcycles. Most information regarding Tiger motorcycle I get from this and a few other forums, it's remarkable what you can learn about a motorcycle brand from reading back some forum history.

Even with a quick look at the forum you can see several recent forum topics regarding Tiger motorcycle's quality and customer service.

So your knowledge of Tiger Motorcycles is based on what you have read on this and other forums?

And although you have never had a Tiger bike and don't know anyone who has the majority of your posts just happen to be about Tiger motorcycles?

And your knowledge of motorbikes in Thailand is such that you were unaware that their owners often took them to be blessed by monks?

Bye-bye .....

Please not start inventing words I never said... I said before that I was looking to buy a motorcycle, first I was very interested in a X-Road and after reading a few topics regarding Tiger I started thinking about a Tiger Boxer 250 RS.

My brother in law, is a police officer and has a Tiger Boxer 200cc motorcycle, and, while we cannot count him as a Tiger supporter, I did ride the bike a few times around his neighborhood.

Tiger Motor yesterday informed me that the Tiger Boxer 250 RS is out of production (not sure if the lady I spoke to meant forever or just for now). Tiger hopes to have the X-road 250 available at the end of the month, the lady I spoke with was clearly not sure about things.

Calling for the famous Mr. Pariya ended at the telephone operator girl telling me 'no no I connect you', I was also not sure what she told me as she disconnected the line, which was likely an honest mistake. Second call I did not get Mr. Pariya but was transferred to a female who was very capable communicating in English.

On another forum I read that Mr. Pariya is probably not in the office for the next 4 months, as he had a serious accident playing soccer.

Today my brother in law will bring me to Kawasaki.

For Tiger I cannot say that something is wrong, but when you go buy something and things not 100% feel right you best do a few steps back to reconsider.

What looks not 100% right?

In the last few weeks we hear more about Tiger motorcycle problems than in the last year. Tiger online shop discontinues operation. Mr. Pariya, who most foreigners are told to contact, is out of reach with a soccer accident in which he broke a bone in his feet. Production of motorcycles is stopped and nobody seems to be able to tell when it starts.

Maybe other people will say who cares and buy a motorcycle anyway, but I have a funny feeling and maybe it's nothing – it's enough for me to reconsider other motorcycle brands.

Sorry to say, but as I understand it, this motorcycle is owned by the guy who sold Tiger Motorcycles. It's for me no surprise that the bike has done 1700 km without problems.

Still on the pictures you can see evidence that the bike is poorly assembled, for instance why is the cable for the electronics from the dash/console being twisted around the front brake hydraulic cable? In time that will wear on the electronic cable's isolation and resolve in electronic problems.

Seriously?

If you've been reading the forum you keep alluding to, you would have known that the owner (who if I understand correctly has receieved 0 satang for connecting people with Tiger!) had the bike blessed by the monk. Regardless of what you think of this practice, it definitely explains the RIBBON that you helpfully pointed out.

I didn't know, I not even considered, that the motorcycle was maybe been blessed by a Buddhist ritual. I'm sorry for bringing it up.

Sorry to say, but as I understand it, this motorcycle is owned by the guy who sold Tiger Motorcycles. It's for me no surprise that the bike has done 1700 km without problems.

Still on the pictures you can see evidence that the bike is poorly assembled, for instance why is the cable for the electronics from the dash/console being twisted around the front brake hydraulic cable? In time that will wear on the electronic cable's isolation and resolve in electronic problems.

To be fair, mbox never 'sold' any bikes. He acted as a liasion between the company and the purchaser. He also went well out of his way to ensure that after-sales needs were taken care of. A spectacular effort on his part and not hard to understand how his own personal, and paying, job takes priority.

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Interesting that 1/2 your posts have had a negative attitude towards Tiger.

What is negative regarding my postings???

Hey Duindam, do you even own a Tiger?

Is your first name Richard?

I was interested in buying myself a X-Road, but reading about some of the problems I reconsidered, and currently I'm more thinking about a Boxer 250 RS.

No my name is not Richard, my first name is Roy?

I just read that the operators of the “online” Tiger motorcycle shop have stopped selling the bikes. People should contact Khun Pariya – who is currently on sick-leave – for warranty issues and for future purchases.

I observe that there is information being posted here by persons new to the forum that presumes great knowledge of overall pictures and averages.

Stating things about 'most' people or 'usually' and or what's going on at the factory and so on presumes a close knowledge of full facts, not personal experience alone or few examples gleaned from the I'net.

Don't mean to suggest that there are not 'best strategies' for dealing with a small Thai manufacturer, great frustration with any delays relating to a new purchase, nor to deny anyone's personal experience - which in some instances might have been angry-making indeed.

But if this thread is to be helpful, we should be precise in naming what worked best for us and our situation. For example, I had a new bike which required factory work and Tiger came and picked it up at their expense and shipped it back at their expense. Pariya + Patience = Progress. Entire satisfaction came after working with a mechanic and private shops, no big deal and it included improvements of a personal preference nature.

Ultimately I had to employ patience and depend upon Pariya. As a new bike owner, I became frustrated and angry, as if this were not a (relatively) small company in Thailand. Wanted things my way and now. Had I paid much more - double at the time - I might well have avoided frustration. In "Finding Nemo," Dora keeps saying, "Just keep swimming, just keep swimming." Seems sort of mindless, but it works.

I'm obvious new to this forum and post recently a few posts regarding Tiger motorcycles. But I personally have little experience dealing with Tiger motorcycles. Most information regarding Tiger motorcycle I get from this and a few other forums, it's remarkable what you can learn about a motorcycle brand from reading back some forum history.

Even with a quick look at the forum you can see several recent forum topics regarding Tiger motorcycle's quality and customer service.

Aye, but it's important for you to realize, being new to the forum and all, that a lot of the threads and posts that speak poorly of the Tiger brand were made by someone who has a commercial interest in Tiger's main rivals... Always a good idea to take everything you read on a public forum with a degree of skepticism and realize that there are two sides to most stories and that some posters may have ulterior motives for their contributions...

I for one generally believe that you get what you pay for (overpriced imports aren't part of that equation). With that in mind I never expected much from my cheap as chips Tiger Retro with Sidecar, but I've had it over a year now and yes, it's had some mechanical issues, but Tiger's warranty service has been beyond reproach and they have always sorted out any problems I've reported in a timely and professional manner, so I'm a happy customer.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, you can't expect a Thai built 89k Baht Tiger X-Road to "measure up" to a Thai built Kawasaki D-Tracker 250 that sells for 152.5K Baht. Expecting D-Tracker quality for 89K Baht is asking for the impossible IMO, BUT spending 89k to get an X-Road gives you a cheap good looking bike to start with. IF I were going to buy one I'd take it straight home, tear it apart and re-build it myself to make sure it's put together properly before I ride it. But hey, that's just me, and I like to tinker with bikes. For someone who just wants to buy a bike and ride it straight off with no worries or headaches I honestly think the D-Tracker would be a better choice, even if it is 63k Baht more expensive (or 63k Baht less cheap) depending on how you look at these things.

Happy Trails!

Tony

Tiger has a rival in the Thai market? Who is that?

I observe that there is information being posted here by persons new to the forum that presumes great knowledge of overall pictures and averages.

Stating things about 'most' people or 'usually' and or what's going on at the factory and so on presumes a close knowledge of full facts, not personal experience alone or few examples gleaned from the I'net.

Don't mean to suggest that there are not 'best strategies' for dealing with a small Thai manufacturer, great frustration with any delays relating to a new purchase, nor to deny anyone's personal experience - which in some instances might have been angry-making indeed.

But if this thread is to be helpful, we should be precise in naming what worked best for us and our situation. For example, I had a new bike which required factory work and Tiger came and picked it up at their expense and shipped it back at their expense. Pariya + Patience = Progress. Entire satisfaction came after working with a mechanic and private shops, no big deal and it included improvements of a personal preference nature.

Ultimately I had to employ patience and depend upon Pariya. As a new bike owner, I became frustrated and angry, as if this were not a (relatively) small company in Thailand. Wanted things my way and now. Had I paid much more - double at the time - I might well have avoided frustration. In "Finding Nemo," Dora keeps saying, "Just keep swimming, just keep swimming." Seems sort of mindless, but it works.

I'm obvious new to this forum and post recently a few posts regarding Tiger motorcycles. But I personally have little experience dealing with Tiger motorcycles. Most information regarding Tiger motorcycle I get from this and a few other forums, it's remarkable what you can learn about a motorcycle brand from reading back some forum history.

Even with a quick look at the forum you can see several recent forum topics regarding Tiger motorcycle's quality and customer service.

It seems that Tiger service is getting worse since they introduced the X-Road, which supposedly should be a easy revenue creator, but as some parts which come from different suppliers and without passing the QC of Sachs Bikes – Tiger Motorcycles brought a bit more problems into the country than they apparently can handle.

Most of the mechanics seem busy fixing the problems with the X-Road, which means less qualified people working on the other motorcycles. Before Tiger was sending out teams of mechanics to all corners of Thailand to fix Tiger motorcycle... apparently some not have enough friends to get this service.

Really! I thought that was just for new vehicles. Do you have a source for your info?

Sure, pickup the telephone and call 1164, which is the Customs Information Service Center, they speak English. Getting a export license for a vehicle (motorcycle) with greenbook is much easier as the ownership is already provided by your name in the greenbook.

Greenbook or no-greenbook you need a export license from the Department of Land Transport for any vehicle you want to send out of the country...

Wantan. Correct i do not own a Boxer. Why am i so concerned? well i'm not really.

Have i been annoyed by a concerted effort by a few to discredit Tiger then yes.

I like Tiger as a company and i'm hoping that in time they will produce bigger bikes (say 350-400cc)

If i believe some one is giving incorrect information i will try and say so.

BUT as you can see if i'm wrong i will also apologise.

As for the problems with your engine I'm sure it will be sorted eventually and i wish you luck...

Just to put it in perspective if you google the Honda Cbr 250r you will find they are having similar problems. And according to some not handling it very well.

I believe that Tiger do actually try and help

( but there is a problem with culture and language sometimes)

Ps. The Cbr is a bike that i intend purchasing even knowing that there may be problems. Why not a Tiger you will ask. It's that the bikes they do currently will not do what i want them to do. Simple.

So you not have a Tiger motorcycle, never owned a Tiger, nor did you have to deal with Tiger for service or warranty? Basically you have a few friends who have Tiger motorcycles, right?

Now I have a few friends who have all sorts of motorcycles, and we all know friends sometimes tell the story they experienced a bit different than the truth, especially when one of your friends is actually selling Tiger Motorcycles.

Maybe I'm wrong – but for somebody who never owned a Tiger motorcycle you are very defensive, are you working for Tiger Motorcycle or do you share any other commercial interest?

I read about the same but more on a ASEAN level, KTM has clearly moved to a single-cylinder high performance 250cc engine... The whole 200 and 350cc idea was deleted as marketing demands are different... a 350cc would never compete on price with a Japanese motorcycle, a 200cc will not even compete to a Japanese build 250 or a Chinese 200cc on price or performance...

Not so long ago I found http://postit.in.th/ I have the idea that this is what you're looking for...<br /><br />

Australian helicopter pilot, Chris Malloy has built a Hoverbike out of a BMW Boxer motor engine.

Malloy used the Boxer motor to piece together his imaginative idea of the Hoverbike. He spent nearly two-and-a-half years developing and designing it.

"The craft has performed exactly as predicted and the BMW Boxer engine has proved itself to be ideal for this application," he said.

Malloy's Hoverbike weighs 105kg (when dry) and has a similar style to any other motorcycle, with the pilot sitting in between in bodywork, with all control coming from the handlebars. The right-hand being a normal throttle controlling the power, with another twist-grip controlling the vanes that deflect the thrust to provide forward and backward movements. For turning corners, the handlebars are turned right or left, and to roll; the handlebars are pushed backwards and forwards.

Malloy said: "The Boxer motor was really the only option I considered when I was looking at motorcycle engines that would be suitable.

Original Source: http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2011/July/jul1111-boxers-can-fly/

Actual Tiger has stopped selling theX-road, the Tigersachsclub says it is because they're sold out, butmy girl called Tiger today and got another answer – they stoppedselling the X-road 250 because they need to fix some issues they havewith the bike. They will start selling the X-road hopefully nextmonth.

Munich. The patented VR6 engine – the heart and soul of the new Horex VR6 Roadster – is unique in the motorcycle world. For the series production of the VR6 power plants, Horex recently signed a comprehensive agreement with Weber Motor, a well-known engine specialist based in Markdorf, Germany. Starting at the end of 2011, the new Horex engines will be manufactured as part of a joint production arrangement. Along with final assembly of the VR6 motorcycle at the Horex plant in Augsburg, the bike engines will be made in Germany.

Source: horex.com (Original Press Release Attached)

Horex_cooperation_with_Weber_Motor.pdf