HOAX

It's disgusting. I've already removed all future notifications and reminders of upcoming games and news from all these clubs.

I guess you can call it a boycott, and despite being a die hard football fan for 30 years, I'm not even bothered to be honest. If this is how they <deleted> on their supporters, grassroots football, other clubs and the tradition of the sport itself, then <deleted> them.

Football lives on greatly, without them. I'm just expecting and dearly hope FA (from all nations respectively), UEFA and FIFA ban these clubs from all competitions indefinitely, and if possible terminate all contracts these clubs have with players and staff so they can leave on free. If that is possible, and if players and staff don't want to leave then ban them from competing in international competitions.

Same goes to Sky Sports, BT Sport and all other TV networks, if you support these teams by giving them air time, why should I support you when you then become part of the problem? I'm not going to pay my money to you or any of your licenced distributers for you to fund the Super League. Not happening.

Considering the fact that very few seems to care, let alone quarantine, after travelling from provinces with the most cases, I expect a sharp increase in number of cases in 2-4 days.

The village here in Udon is filled with dozens of people coming from these provinces. Few seems to even know about the quarantine requirements and those who do clearly don't care. They're all walking around and partying like Covid never happened.

11 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

fyi, for everyone talking about the notion of lockdowns and whether they should have been done, or will be done...

 

Just be aware, several dozen provinces have announced that they'll be enforcing quarantines and other restrictions on domestic travelers arriving from Bangkok and several adjoining provinces because of the COVID clusters identified there.

 

This is what they've announced... How seriously the various rules will actually end up being enforced remains to be seen.

 

 

Its not enforced. At least a couple of hundred people around Thailand have arrived in our village in Udon yesterday and today. Plenty, if not most, has come from Bangkok, Samut Prakan and Chonburi including in my family. None are quarantining. Its packed in the village now and the parties have already begun.

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

From the Thai Enquirer:

 

"The cluster at entertainment venues in Bangkok and surrounding provinces has led to 1,016 confirmed cases in 40 provinces between March 22 and April 9. Of that, 583 cases were found in Bangkok alone."

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/ThaiEnquirer/posts/297398138414393

 

Google translate (image scan):

9 Number of people infected with cov1D-19 related to provincial entertainment venues 22 Mar-9 Apr 2011 (n = 1,016) Cha Thawang Khen Province 3 3 WUSTRYO 3 Chon Buri 70 23 BLICHE 3  3 5 45 2 f LIVE 6 2 7 18 2 8 16 29 2 10 11 2 11 10 2 Lua Province No. of infected cases No. of infections No. 1 Bangkok 583 21 Chaiyaphum 2 Samut Prakan 82 22 Nakhon Ratchasima Phuket 4 Prachuap Khiri Khan 49 24  Lopburi, Sa Kaeo 25, Phetchabun, Nonthaburi 34 26 Kanchanaburi Suphanburi 27 Chachoengsao Pathum Thani 28 Buriram 2 9 Udon Thani 15 Phra Nakhon Si Ayutthaya Nakhon Pathom 30 Ratchaburi Chiang Mai 31 Lampang Samut Sakhon 32 Surat Thani 13 Khon Kaen 8 33 Loei 1 Nanans Coronavirus 2019 Ubon Ratchathani 34 Trat 15 Chumphon 35 Tak 16 Phitsanulok  36 Nan 17 Chanthaburi 37 Mahasarakham 1 18 Rayong 38 Yasothon 19 Chiang Rai 39 Samut Songkhram 20 Phetchaburi 40 Saraburi LIVE broadcast live from the Office of the Permanent Secretary of Public Health on April 10, 2021, Ministry of Public Health announced the situation of COVID 19 in the country / COVID 19 vaccine.  Coronavirus 2019 Disease Center 12 9 2 14 6 1 5 1 5 1 4 4 1 3 1 1

Must come from countries without mutations?

There have been at least 4000 mutations of Covid-19 detected worldwide. 

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-02-04-21/h_7da8efe837253a5fb2ea1c8113fbc1f6

According to Nature.com virologists had catalogued over 12,000 mutations of the virus' genomes already in September 2020.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02544-6

The vast majority of them doesn't affect how the virus work, and most of them die off before spreading or getting foothold, but just about every country has several strains on their watchlist.

As of March 5, Norway have detected 130 different mutations of Covid. 35 that have spread domestically. 3 that are on FHI's watchlist (S477N, N439K and B1525). They all have changes in the respiratory binding domain, similar to the British, South African and Brazilian variants. In February FHI analyzed test of 10 people who had been in Africa. 8 of them were new variants.

https://www.tv2.no/a/12420667/ (Norwegian)

That being said, the British and South African strains are widespread. Then there's the first Indian mutation that the Burmese migrants took with them to Thailand that started the second wave, then there's the Brazilian strain and now there's a new Indian double mutation reported a few days ago. Probably many more strains to look out for as well.

In other words, no one qualifies for 7 days quarantine.

I have a dozen family members coming from all over Bangkok and Samut Prakan to Udon Thani in 3 days. Can't say I'm liking this. Then I have to go get a stamp at the Embassy in a couple of weeks. Everything is just bad timing now.

That would literally send over half the population and tourists in prison every week.

On 3/6/2021 at 2:51 PM, gearbox said:

Useless ranking by useless rag. Cambodia scores almost as high as France in health, and Portugal scores 30 points higher for climate than Italy, although they are quite close and at the same latitude. And where is the crime score?

 

How many Aussies retired in Mexico? Probably less than five.

Well, maybe its because France is infamous for their healthcare issues.

While I think Portugal has better climate than Italy, its not by 30 points. 5-10 perhaps.

2 minutes ago, VBF said:

Sadly, you are probably right.

I do so wish they'd "engage brain, before operating tongue" but it seems their precious egos require them to have a say regardless.

Of course, we may both be proven wrong....said the optimist! ????

Hopefully it gets better soon, but probably not this year, at least not until the 3rd wave is over and most people have become vaccinated by the end of the year or beginning of next year. I was suppose to go back to Norway last year, but I can`t be bothered with all the hassle of information here and there and all the expenses and whatnot woowoo, and risking not getting back into Thailand.

Good luck.

3 minutes ago, VBF said:

That would be the best news of all for we travellers wanting to come to Thailand, along with relaxing testing for those of us vaccinated!

I don't often look at https://tna.mcot.net/  - is it considered reliable? Is Gen Natthapon Nakpanich enough of an authority for us to take note, or is he just another "commentator"?

I wouldn`t put my money on it as they all seem to express their thoughts in the media before they`ve discussed it internally, and especially not now considering Europe and the US is being hit by a 3rd wave. At best there might be some relaxation on some Asian countries.

Considering I`ve spent roughly 12-15 million excluding properties and vehicles the past 10 years if my math is correct, 11 million in 14 years (70k/month) seems reasonable, though you`ll probably be fine with 8 million (50k/month) as long as you don`t set yourself up for a family situation.

2 hours ago, Nout said:

The new liberal progressive, woke culture summarized perfectly...and why 70 million people voted for Trump.

You mean the right wing screaming karens, flat earth, anti vax, religious extremists, Qanon, Infowars woke Trump puppies? 

Yeah, 70 million, that's a problem, it's why America has half a million covid deaths.

What about us that has never had a driver`s license in Thailand? A rare occasional small fine is all I`ve been paying for the passed 10 years I`ve been here. Point deduction from what?

Another "news", or information, from Norwegian Health Institute (Folkehelseinstituttet) today on side effects of the AstraZeneca vaccine.

Most common side effects during the following few days after the shot:

- Pain in the region where the vaccine was shot.

- Fatigue

- Headache

- Fever

- Muscle and joint pain

- Nausea and vomiting

- Diarrhea

Less common side effects (less common than the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, among some other less known)):

- Enlarged lymph nodes

- Rash, itchiness

- Sweating

Second dose of AstraZeneca also has less side effects overall than second dose of mRNA vaccines.

EDIT: Source: Dette er bivirkningene (dagbladet.no) (Norwegian language, press conference, Norwegian Health Institute)

Update on the AstraZeneca vaccine from Norway today.

Not only did this vaccine NOT cause deaths among the elderly as falsely claimed in media (also in a previous post on the first page), it may turn out it has very little effect on people over 55 at all.

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Årsaken til aldersanbefalingen er at AstraZenecas vaksine har lite dokumentasjon for virkning og effekt hos personer over 55 år.

Translation: The reason for the recommendation of age restriction is that the AstraZeneca vaccine has little documented effect on persons over 55 years.

Further reading

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- Graden av beskyttelsen for personer over 65 år er usikker, og det var ikke mulig å beregne effekt for personer over 55. Når det er sagt, betyr det ikke at vaksinen ikke har effekt på personer over 55 år, men det var så få i studien, så man vet ikke nøyaktig beskyttelsen i eldre aldersgrupper

Translation: The degree of protection for people over 65 years is unknown/unsure, and it was not possible to calculate the effects for persons over 55. When that is said, it does not mean the vaccine do not have an effect on people over 55 years, it was too few (participants) in the studies, so we don`t know exactly (to) what (degree of) protection (people in this) age group (has).

Also said in the article is that the interval of the first shot is between 3-12 weeks, meaning it takes up to 12 weeks between the two shots required by AstraZeneca, (which is longer than most vaccine candidates). 12 weeks also means the studies so far in Norway are too short and minimal to make any definite conclusion, but as of today the AstraZeneca vaccine is not recommended to people over 65 years and people with severe underlying illnesses and risk of severe Covid-19 infections.

AstraZeneca-vaksinen: - Får øvre aldersgrense (dagbladet.no) (Norwegian language)

-Norwegian Health Institute (Folkehelseinstituttet).

Note: As I mentioned yesterday, the AstraZeneca vaccine was not approved in Switzerland due to lack of data.

Note II: It`s current data (transparency) and honesty we`re talking about here, not definite conclusions or food for conspiracies. While not great news for us here in Thailand, no need to spread disinformation as if it`s complete studies and scientific conclusions. It`s not. Conclusions of these sort of data tend to change a lot, and often drastically.

2 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Didn't the Norwegians come out and say the deaths were unrelated to the vaccine? 

 

They said they're investigating, just like anything in Norway is investigated. Later, data and comments has come out that there's nothing out of the ordinary, but the investigation is still ongoing.