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10 hours ago, moe666 said:

I would say you should have done the TM30 within 24 hours of moving to Bangkok

 

27 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

You should have filed a TM28 and TM30 within 24 hours of arrival in Bangkok.

 

Can you tell me how the immigration officer knows that I just got into Bangkok less than 24 hours ago as opposed to more than 24 hours ago?  

"If you read the law..."

One shouldn't have to crack open a lawbook to be able to see what a form is for.  When I was at CW a few weeks ago, it was pointed out that I should do an address change because my last extension was done at Roi Et.  When I groaned at the prospect of a return trip through that traffic just to do an address change, and then yet another trip a couple weeks later for the retirement extension, I got the smile and wave-away along with "just do them both when you come back for the extension".  This advice was not from the information desk interns, but from an immigration officer at the L desk, who actually does the extensions.  I'm well aware that she might decide to change her mind when I go back in a few weeks.

On 3/25/2019 at 8:20 PM, damascase said:

Chiang Rai Immigration always wants a copy of my lease document with my aplication for a retirement extension. English is accepted.

On 3/26/2019 at 8:23 AM, ubonjoe said:

I think they are only wanting proof for residence for first time applicants.  Most reports of it being needed are the first one or a change of residence.  

What would somebody who stays with relatives, and therefore doesn't have a lease, provide as proof of residence?  A few pieces of mail?  What about the bank statement I'll already have (because it's a retirement extension)?  I got a Kasikorn statement printed up a few months ago and it has my correct (Bangkok) address at the top.  I'm not a first time applicant (I have three prior retirement extensions but they were done in other provinces), unless it means "first time at CW".

10 minutes ago, Bangkok Basha said:

In 3 years of renewals of Extension of Stay, I've never once been asked for a TM30, and I've never had my landlord fill out one either. I always present a copy of my most recent rental receipt and a copy of my lease, but that's all. Has something changed, and should I anticipate an issue with this when I renew next July?

Have any of your previous extensions been done in a different immigration division?  My last two were at Roi Et, so they (at CW) are obviously going to see that I have moved.  I'd be surprised if they don't expect to see a TM30 (or TM28... still not sure what the diff is).

[edit] I've just looked over the two forms and the TM28 appears to be MY report to immigration that I live in place XYZ.  TM30 appears to be my Landlord's report to immigration that I live in place XYZ.  Why they just couldn't add an extra line for Landlord to sign at the bottom of the TM28, I have no idea.  Why do a job with one form when you can do it with two, right?

16 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Don't worry about tm30 CW does not ask for it. You need to do change of address tm28.

Then I am puzzled as to why they handed me a TM30 form when I was there.  I guess I will have both filled out and ready.

16 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

You may need lease, most likely you don't have one.

You're right, I don't have one since I live with my inlaws.

16 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

CW seem to be requiring map of where you live. This in newish.

Thanks for that.  I'll print out a google map just in case.

11 minutes ago, R123 said:

Be careful as some have experienced aggravation on the issue of properly submitting TM 30 and supporting documents. Also TM 28.

What was source of the aggravation, do you remember?  Since the TM30 is filled out by somebody who won't even be with me (and it will likely be filled out in Thai), I'm not sure how I'll be able to account for its contents.

The supporting documents are a copy of the housemaster's ID card and copy of his house book.  Originals not needed.   I don't know if these copies need to be signed, so I'll have two of each - one signed and one not.

13 minutes ago, setbkk said:

Don't you also want to get a re-entry permit in the event you leave Thailand anytime in the next year.

From other discussions here, this is easily obtained at the airport on the way out.  But traveling exhausts me so I rarely do it.  I haven't been out of Thailand in five years.

14 minutes ago, setbkk said:

I was concerned about not having done a TM30, the issue never came up.  Appears CW does not enforce this, or maybe just selectively.

I went there a few weeks ago with a friend and while I was there took the opportunity to ask the queue ticket lady for the handout that lists the new rules for retirement extensions.  Coincidentally, she said she used to work at the "L" desk which are the officers who do the retirement extensions. I wonder what she was doing at the queue ticket desk - that seems like a demotion.

She ask for my passport even though I told her I wasn't there to do the extension that day, and she noticed my last extension was done in Roi Et.  She snapped it closed and handed it back to me saying "do address change first".

Did you have to make a small deposit or withdrawal into your account that morning to show current activity?  I had heard some machines won't update the passbook/register if there's nothing new to report.

Hopefully that title made sense.

I'll be going to CW in a couple of weeks to extend my retirement for another year.  I did the last two at Roi Et, so the first thing I'll need to do when I get there is an address change.  I already picked up the TM30 for that a few weeks ago.  I see the TM30 is all for the housemaster to fill out, so nothing much for me to do there except carry it along with me.

I plan to be standing at the Kasikorn Bank on location in Government Complex when they open at 8:30.  Seeing as how they're right there in the same building as immigration, they presumably do this bank funds letter a dozen times a day and therefore should be able to crank that out fast.  I plan to be out of there by 9 and then go upstairs to immigration to get my queue number for the address change.  Not sure how long that will take.

Then it's off to section L for the retirement extension.  These are reportedly the easiest kinds of extensions to do as long as I've got my bank register and same-day-dated letter, so I hope to be out of there before lunch.

Does this seem like a reasonable goal?

Buy?

Some bank will probably jump on this as a service offering to retirees - some sort of account where the balance is protected and can't drop below 800K during the crucial months (two prior and three post-renewal, then 400K the rest of the year).  Just meaning you can't accidentally make a transaction or withdrawal that causes you to unknowingly put your extension of stay in jeopardy.

17 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

He is not applying at CW. 

Right - yes I actually did read the OP.  I'm just pointing out that different offices are following different rules.  

4 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Can you post a copy/photo of that document here in the thread????

 

Here's a scan of it:
 

OK, retirement just like usual.  Just couldn't figure out why they have us so many lines to use.

One more thing - the TM6 is from 2013 and it's ragged.  It's on the edge of breaking into two pieces at the fold.  Should I laminate it?  Request a new one?

14 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Put it anywhere. You do not need staple.

I think I'll staple it anyway.  If not stapled, it'll get lost.  I lost a TM6 on my very first tourist visit to Thailand (2006, I think) and the IO at the airport was none too happy about that as I tried to leave.

I think in past years I have written simply "retirement" at the bottom of page 1, where it says "reason(s) for extension" (reasons - plural!)  But there are six lines for me to write in.  Should I be writing more than "retirement"?  Should I be writing something more descriptive in those six lines... my story of retiring to Thailand?  Is there anything else I could write that might be helpful?  If it's lengthy, should it be in both English & Thai?  Here's the section in question:

I got a new passport about three years ago, and then a few months later when I went for my annual extension I handed the IO both passports. He transferred the stamp over and did the extension at the same time, but left the departure card stapled in the old passport.  

Fast-forward to the next few times I did an extension: I still handed over both the old, expired passport and the new one because I knew the IO would still want to see the TM6 in the old passport.  But my old passport is confusing and more than half of its 50+ pages are cluttered with stamps from various countries.  The IO always spends what seems like 20-30 minutes leafing through all the old stamps and frowning, sometimes showing it to other IOs for their opinions even though this passport has long since expired.  I'd like to dispose of the expired passport this time.  Can I move the TM6 to the new passport myself?  Is there some reason why they didn't do it for me?  Which page of the new passport should I staple it to?

I went to immigration a few days ago with a friend who was doing his 90 day report, and I asked about doing my address change (I moved back to Bangkok from Roi Et earlier this year).  They handed me a TM30, which you can download from here: http://immigrationbangkok.com/thailand-immigration-forms/

The top part is for the house owner to fill out, bottom part will be returned to you as a receipt (I'd keep that in my passport and have it ready for the next time you do a 90-day report).  The second page is where your information goes, along with all the other foreigners who've moved into the same residence.  I couldn't do mine on the spot because I didn't have a copy of my father in-law's house book or ID.  These copies will probably need to be signed, too.

I told the lady (who gives the queue tickets) that I didn't have all the information I needed and asked how urgent it was to do this address change, she noticed that I'm due to come back next month to renew my extension and waved me off saying I should just take care of both on the same visit when I come back in April.  Of course you know what's going to happen - I'll come back in April to do the address change and extension, and they'll ask me why I waited so long to do my address change.

Wow good thing I asked. My Thai visa membership fees are really paying off! I’ll plan on the first possible day, Tuesday the 9th. Might be busy, but I don’t see how it could be worse than post-Songkran.

I'm in Bangkok so that would be the CW office.  I figured sooner is always better than later.  I'll figure on Weds the 10th.  That gives me Thursday & Friday to come back in case there's a problem on Weds.

My 'permitted to exist in Thailand' stamp is May 24th.  If I recall, I can renew up to 45 days before that.  Using all my fingers and toes, and a few other appendages, I figured out that the earliest I can apply for renewal is Tuesday, April 9th - the week before Songkran. 

My hypothesis is that immigration lines will be shorter in the days just before Songkran compared to the days just after. Is my reasoning correct?  It's a retirement extension, if that matters, so it should be pretty easy & quick.

11 hours ago, LALes said:

A few weeks ago, I went to the retirement desk at Jomtien

Retirement desk?  Do you mean you took a number and waited for a IO just like a regular visit?  I was thinking about doing this at CW but was worried the IO might be irritated when he called my number and all I had for him is a few questions.

I don't really trust the volunteers and interns at the help counter when you first go in at CW.

Just think about that for a moment.

To get a retirement stay, you have to prove you can support yourself financially by showing 800K in the bank that... you can't touch to support yourself for five months of the year.

6 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

It is not difficult to determine whether the account will be accepted or not.

Does it allow immediate withdrawal without any delay? If no then it will not be accepted?

Is there a penalty for early withdrawal? If yes it will not be accepted. Only loss of interest is acceptable.

Thanks again.  I guess I've got some reading to do to see what my CD allows.  I am already at maturity date, so maybe there will be no penalty.

5 minutes ago, xylophone said:

I have used the Fixed Term deposit route with 800k in it and my BBK Bank does issue a "passbook" (name?) with it and I have used that for my annual renewal with no problems.

That's interesting.  Maybe I never got a passbook because I didn't ask for it.  I'm referring to the transaction register - what do they call it here... a bank book?

Thanks.  So as with many things here, it's one of those things where we won't know if it'll be successful until we try.