rinteln

Singapore is your best bet. Go see the taxidermy thread somewhere in this forum. Modern taxidermy is not something Thai folks can master. It's too complicated.

Thank you, for what I regard as being the first reply on the thread. For a while it was like being back at school....lol

I checked the other thread and looks like that Kenmar guy in Singapore is a good option. I have emailed him.

Thanks again

Should of known better.............................

Any serious, helpful answers would be great. If it means there are no replies then so be it.

Thanks

Well you did ask... sort of topic which begs a wide range of replies... although I must admit the elephant one is one that made me chuckle at the imagery. By chance you don't mean a skin care doctor for taxi drivers do you. Yes I know Im not helping and I shall go away. But to be serious, stuffed if I know and I really do have a hide being this flippant about your quest for a well mounted animal. Saints preserve us.. will someone answer the lad

So you don't know a taxidermy in Thailand then......lol !

Should of known better.............................

Any serious, helpful answers would be great. If it means there are no replies then so be it.

Thanks

<deleted> do you want to stuff ?

He wants a stuffed piranha.

Should of known better.............................

Any serious, helpful answers would be great. If it means there are no replies then so be it.

Thanks

Good evening,

I am doing some research for a friend here.

Does anyone know a taxidermy in Thailand ?

Thanks

Good evening,

I am doing some research for a friend here.

Does anyone know a taxidermy in Pattaya or nearby provinces ?

Thanks

Hi,

In my experience the cards that work online are a normal Bangkok Bank card and Kasikorn's K Shopping card.

I have a SCB card but that doesnt seem to work but that maybe because it is a normal mastercard.

I guess doesn't matter how long some people come here they still sometimes just don't quite get the rules.....lol

Yup, you win. You can live your life a happy man now I guess.

Excellent, have a nice day

Your tone is getting snarky, so this conversation will end soon. Life's too short.

A Laotian bargirl settled in Thailand is a resident -- just like a farang with a drivers license -- and is entitled to the local rate.

We're talking about distinguishing TOURISTS from LOCALS. A person from over the border in Laos has virtually the same genetic make-up as an Isarner, so NATURALLY they are going to be indistinguishable if they have been here long enough to speak, dress, act, and groom as a Thai.

Your "challenge" is meaningless unless you have a stash of pictures of Laotian tourist visitors -- which you clearly don't. Besides, pictures do not tell the whole story. The way people talk, move, interact with others, etc., is just as importance as their appearance.

Anyway, you are getting aggressive and arrogant and are clearly fixated on "winning" something. Whatever, dude. Have a good day.

So...................you cant tell me where those girls are from in the photo then ???? lol

You are right the post did start off being about tourists and residents but if you remember I pointed out that I don't think its about residents, its about what you look like. You then dismissed that and said you can tell the difference so others can too which means in your eyes that only true tourists get charged more. I then challenged you to simple test with an example of the very kind of people that are walking around Pattaya and you failed.

"A person from over the border in Laos has virtually the same genetic make-up as an Isarner, so NATURALLY they are going to be indistinguishable" yes yes yes........at last you see my point. Thats exactly what I mean. So you cant tell the difference then. Which means the theory will be the same for Cambodians too.

As I said none of those girls in the photo are from Loas so why are you talking about Loas. I can only assume you thought they were from Loas. They are mix of Cambodian and Thai. My point is proven.

Your totally right I am out to be proven right and in your case at least I have been proven right.

Your own words have just swallowed you up, the history of the topic will show it for all to see and doesnt need any extra comment from me.

You have a good day to. When your next in Pattaya jump into a metered taxi from the bus station down to South Pattaya and test your own theory about no one being charged any extra in Thailand.

It's easy to tell if they are tourists. If they are bargirls from Laos who have settled here, adopting Thai dress, grooming, body language, etc., not so easy.

A family from Vientiane on holiday in Bangkok would definitely be spottable.

Anyway, who cares really?

Sorry had to return back after that comment.

So.................your not taking up my challenge...???.lol. which of course would be the easiest way to settle it. Or would you like another photo of totally different people. Or maybe what about a photo of my mates back home. Maybe you can tell if their from Scotland, Wales, Ireland with your superman skills. lol

Who cares !!! Exactly the answer I would expect from a failed attempt.

So bar girls from Loas are not foreigners then ???? and shouldn't be part of the discussion ?? Seems rather odd as they are foreigners. What they do as a job as no relevance to whether you can tell where they come from, which you claim you can. As it happens not one of those girls are from Loas so in a way I suppose that may be your attempt at the little test. Looks like the hole being dug is getting bigger.

Sorry to push on this but I am finding this bit of the subject very hard to pin down even incredibly after nobody taking up my challenge. Its almost laughable.

I am not even sure they are all girls.

lol

It's easy to tell if they are tourists. If they are bargirls from Laos who have settled here, adopting Thai dress, grooming, body language, etc., not so easy.

A family from Vientiane on holiday in Bangkok would definitely be spottable.

Anyway, who cares really?

Sorry had to return back after that comment.

So.................your not taking up my challenge...???.lol which of course would be the easiest way to settle it. Or would you like another photo of totally different people. Or maybe what about a photo of my mates back home. Maybe you can tell if their from Scotland, Wales, Ireland with your superman skills. lol

Who cares !!! Exactly the answer I would expect from a failed attempt.

So bar girls from Loas are not foreigners then ???? and shouldn't be part of the discussion ?? Seems rather odd as they are foreigners. What they do as a job as no relevance to whether you can tell where they come from, which you claim you can. As it happens not one of those girls is from Loas so looks like the whole being dug is getting bigger.

Sorry to push on this but I am finding this bit of the subject very hard to pin down even incredibly after nobody taking up my challenge. Its almost laughable.

Maybe the 'challenge' of trying to place a bunch of average looking women is something we find laughable? Just thinking out loud, you know...

Perhaps yes but the test still stands and lack of answer still stands doesn't it. This is a good test as this is a typical set of girls that you would find in Pattaya. If anyone could raise to it then they would of already and I would be gone, to the pleasure of most I suspect.

Again as I mentioned before it doesn't matter who is in the photo, the theory is still the same.

It's easy to tell if they are tourists. If they are bargirls from Laos who have settled here, adopting Thai dress, grooming, body language, etc., not so easy.

A family from Vientiane on holiday in Bangkok would definitely be spottable.

Anyway, who cares really?

Sorry had to return back after that comment.

So.................your not taking up my challenge...???.lol. which of course would be the easiest way to settle it. Or would you like another photo of totally different people. Or maybe what about a photo of my mates back home. Maybe you can tell if their from Scotland, Wales, Ireland with your superman skills. lol

Who cares !!! Exactly the answer I would expect from a failed attempt.

So bar girls from Loas are not foreigners then ???? and shouldn't be part of the discussion ?? Seems rather odd as they are foreigners. What they do as a job as no relevance to whether you can tell where they come from, which you claim you can. As it happens not one of those girls are from Loas so in a way I suppose that may be your attempt at the little test. Looks like the hole being dug is getting bigger.

Sorry to push on this but I am finding this bit of the subject very hard to pin down even incredibly after nobody taking up my challenge. Its almost laughable.

Well well. I think its fair to say that the above test is pretty neutral and fair. 7 normal, average Asean girls in bar doing a normal thing like drinking in a bar. A typical example of a normal day.

So after 20 whole minutes and 12 views on imageshack not a single taker to my challenge. Interesting. If I had made such highly skilled assessments of myself as other people have here I would be itching to prove myself correct, not the case as it seems.

You see my test would of always proven my point anyway, for 3 possible outcomes. 1. because if there were answers then every answer more than likely would of had different results and thus proving its too hard to tell in general. If one person got it right then at least a few others would of been wrong. Percentage would of been in my favour. 2. If there were no answers (which is the case, so far) then this means no one is confident enough to go for it which explains itself, or 3. Anyone who doesn't want to answer cant believe their own theory too much anyway which again is self conclusive. Hopefully this might put the "i can tell where everyone is from" argument in distant memory.

All in all the test has and will prove even if answers come later that generally speaking its too hard to tell where a set of people are from that generally look the same. Hence this is the basis on which non thai but Thai looking Asians don't get charged extra. This test could be proven again and again with any set of people from anywhere.

Blimey dont you just love this forum, see ya

Happens everywhere. I lived in hawaii and they do the same. My favorite restaurant gave a 20% discount if you showed your hawaii drivers license.

People coming into my restaurants in the states always got a table ahead of the crowd [on the sly of course] since they come all year, and pay the bills, where the tourist is a one shot deal. Only makes good business sense

So that was because you proved you were a resident ? Have you ever seen this restaurant try to charge someone more, on purpose of course ?

If and I say if foreigners being charged more for things was a resident issue then I think that would be fair enough but it isn't. For example if someone from Vietnam rocked up and obviously looked Thai then they would get Thai prices. Why, because they look Asian, or more exact oriental Asian. Same for Loas, Cambodians etc etc.

Staff don't stand at park entrances or other events and ask everyone for their Thais ID cards so its quite obvious that the criteria is if you dont look like them then you are a foreigner and hence pay more.

Actually, they are quite easy to spot.

Blimey, I can only assume you posted that as a joke.

I really hope people are not thinking of that kind of tourist as a stereotypical example of what I mean.

Ok lets put this to the test because I there are obviously some highly skilled superman like people on this forum . Here is a link below with a photo of some friends. Anyone can compete. Tell me from right to left where they are from in Asean :

If there is no answer then I think we can assume no one is up to the challenge. There are 7 girls, if someone gets more than 4 out of 7 then I will bail out with defeat.

http://imageshack.us...7630026610.jpg/

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NewlyMintedThai

Well you must be a lucky few then who has apparently never been charged more for anything in Thailand than you should of.

So lets get exact about this as you keep referring to just your own experiences which of course is not general enough to solve a debate about a country's culture.

Are you saying that any of the above that I have mentioned never goes on ? If so then that will be incredible. If you agree it does go on, even in a small way then we are at last in agreement as surely you know it wouldn't be the right thing.

To make it easier I will simplify it in an example :

UK, a benchmark successful country with a set of morals, rules and equalities that have/do set standards worldwide. Does the above happen as the norm or even sometimes, no !! Conclusion, more than likely the UK has it right. Does it happen in Thailand, yes !!! Is Thailand a successful standard setting country with influence in the world, no !!

End conclusion, hopefully point nearly but painfully getting through.

I've paid foreigner prices at tourist attractions, but never in a taxi or restaurant. Maybe that happens here, but it's never happened to me. That's all I'm saying

Ill take your first sentence has agreement that this does happen and ill take your lack of answer to my direct question that you know its not right that it happens.

Progress of a kind.

So the point of this thread 'no dual pricing for expats who are "permanent residents" - is actually about government controlled parks?

The only other items addressed (by Newly MInted Thai) are taxis and food. Metered taxis are hard to find (IME), but you are right insofar as the big supermarkets that label their produce with prices, charge the same for everyone. Try the market and, if you know what it should cost, you might get a suprise...

Exactly correct. I wonder if Newlymintedthai has ever tried to jump into a metered cab in Pattaya. If he doesn't know my point by now he would sure find out if he jumped in one of those.

Again the market is a good example. These guys sell food all day yet they need to think of answer when a farang says "how much"..lol

I always pay the thai price. Whenever we go to ticket booths selling tickets for farangs on higher price I always give them a bit of the dirty look (nothing serious), speak to them in thai saying i am ผู้ใหญ่ and resident and my wife confirms it. Never had a problem.

Excellent and that's good but at least you do know it happens as you mentioned higher prices for farangs and the dirty look.

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NewlyMintedThai

Well you must be a lucky few then who has apparently never been charged more for anything in Thailand than you should of.

So lets get exact about this as you keep referring to just your own experiences which of course is not general enough to solve a debate about a country's culture.

Are you saying that any of the above that I have mentioned never goes on ? If so then that will be incredible. If you agree it does go on, even in a small way then we are at last in agreement as surely you know it wouldn't be the right thing.

To make it easier I will simplify it in an example :

UK, a benchmark successful country with a set of morals, rules and equalities that have/do set standards worldwide. Does the above happen as the norm or even sometimes, no !! Conclusion, more than likely the UK has it right. Does it happen in Thailand, yes !!! Is Thailand a successful standard setting country with influence in the world, no !!

End conclusion, hopefully point nearly but painfully getting through.

The attractions don't operate like police states and demand ID of everyone. If you are an Asian who keeps his mouth shut and doesn't stick out as a tourist, you can sometimes slip in. If you are Asian and can be spotted as an obvious non-Thai you will be confronted and made to pay the tourist price. We've been through this a thousand times already, but the racist card does not stick. It is a pricing system based on nationality that can sometimes be breached by an Asian mistaken for a Thai.

I agree with some of what you said but how can it be a nationality thing. So by definition you are saying that food vendors, attraction gates, taxi motorbike guys etc etc can tell the difference between and Thai and a Loas, or a Cambodian or Vietnam by looking at them. Well I've been here for a 7 years and I cant tell by looking at someone whether they are Thai or not. If you can then great but I doubt most of the above can.

How many individual tourists from Vietnam, Cambodia, or Laos do you think regularly pitch up at the Dolphin Show? And yes, I can usually tell. Clothing, haircuts, body language, grooming -- very big differences.

Language is the big giveaway, when buying tickets the staff don't want to talk to the Farang they want to talk to the Thai missus, and when she's not Thai they will charge the tourist price although I've only ever had this happen at Mini Siam and the Butterfly Farm, other places have given the Thai price as a family (Nong Nooch, Dolphin Show, Tiger Zoo, Open Zoo, Underwater World, Siam Ocean World).

As you say though the Grand Palace is free for Thai nationals only, maybe a Farang with a Thai passport can get in free?

True, language would be a big give away but that's even if that comes up or enough is being said. Plenty of Loas, Cambodians and others can speak very good Thai and look very similar. Again that's even if it gets to a conversation. Again though whether it comes up once a week or many times is not the point. Its the concept that the division exists that is the problem. Division is what I am talking about. Or the possibility of it.

As I said before this doesn't exist in any benchmark countries and one would hope that would be enough of an example to prove my point. I am British but I wouldn't get, or expect a discount to Buckingham Palace just because I am British and in the same token I would be annoyed to find out that a Chinese looking American friend of mine gets charged more. One because it would be out of order and two because it would be ridiculous and impossible to manage. A London black cab through default would not give me a discount because I look European and charge a Japanese guy more because he looks different. If you are going to set a law, or set of rules about a nationality paying more then that's all well and good but at least make sure its consistant and that you can police it. Otherwise it comes down to people's lazy interpretation which is exactly what happens day in and day out.

Hopefully my point is slowly getting over.

Anyone who either thinks that Thais manage this strictly by nationality with effect or that this doesn't even go on must either live in some kind of enclosed resort or perhaps have too much money to worry about it which of course always gives you a different view on things.

The attractions don't operate like police states and demand ID of everyone. If you are an Asian who keeps his mouth shut and doesn't stick out as a tourist, you can sometimes slip in. If you are Asian and can be spotted as an obvious non-Thai you will be confronted and made to pay the tourist price. We've been through this a thousand times already, but the racist card does not stick. It is a pricing system based on nationality that can sometimes be breached by an Asian mistaken for a Thai.

I agree with some of what you said but how can it be a nationality thing. So by definition you are saying that food vendors, attraction gates, taxi motorbike guys etc etc can tell the difference between and Thai and a Loas, or a Cambodian or Vietnam by looking at them. Well I've been here for a 7 years and I cant tell by looking at someone whether they are Thai or not. If you can then great but I doubt most of the above can.

How many individual tourists from Vietnam, Cambodia, or Laos do you think regularly pitch up at the Dolphin Show? And yes, I can usually tell. Clothing, haircuts, body language, grooming -- very big differences.

How many people is not the point though is it. But anyway, quite a few to answer your question. What about all those Loas girlfriends that act as Thai. I cant tell the difference. Its not just attractions anyway is it. What about food, taxis.

Well if you can tell then you are obviously very skilled and would love to test you out. I wonder how you would get on with 100 random photos of Asean people and you could tell us all how many are Thai and not. I have travelled up and down Thailand and all look so different within themselves let alone other countries. The white skin healthy of Bangkok, through to the dark skin of Hat Yai and then the Chinese looking Chiang Mai residents though to the Cambodian looking Isaan people. Most would struggle with that let alone getting onto nearby countries.

If you could stand at a queue and get a big enough percentage correct then I would be amazed.

The attractions don't operate like police states and demand ID of everyone. If you are an Asian who keeps his mouth shut and doesn't stick out as a tourist, you can sometimes slip in. If you are Asian and can be spotted as an obvious non-Thai you will be confronted and made to pay the tourist price. We've been through this a thousand times already, but the racist card does not stick. It is a pricing system based on nationality that can sometimes be breached by an Asian mistaken for a Thai.

I agree with some of what you said but how can it be a nationality thing. So by definition you are saying that food vendors, attraction gates, taxi motorbike guys etc etc can tell the difference between and Thai and a Loas, or a Cambodian or Vietnam by looking at them. Well I've been here for a 7 years and I cant tell by looking at someone whether they are Thai or not. If you can then great but I doubt most of the above can.

There will be always be exceptions and these are always the ones who come up but its not the exceptions that count. Its the concept. If 100 Loas, Cambodians and Malays all rocked up throughout the day to an attraction i bet at least 80 odd would get through on Thai prices. Anyway the number doesnt matter its the concept.

Even if what we are talking about happened ONCE in any of our countries there would be outrage. So Europe and US being the benchmark I think we can agree its a bit more than nationality.

Do they charges black and Indian people more then? I assume so but don't know. Also, is there a rating system for how much more to extort from people based on their race?

Its simply if you don't look like them, as I mentioned earlier if a person from Cambodia rocked up then they would more than likely get Thai prices but of course by definition they are a tourist so they shouldn't. If its not racist then literally any tourist would be charged the same no matter what they look like. To me the fact that doesn't happen simply means its a racist issue. Maybe not deliberate but deliberate or through ignorance is the same in my book.

Not really sure there is rating system, I think that may be giving them too much credit in the way of intelligence and forward thinking. Its simply just as above. Anyone who has lived here for even a few months would of been a situation where they have paid more for something just from being a "farang"

A similar discussion was happening on the Pattaya forum In regards to a new theme park opened and they were charging more for "foreigners".

If and I say if foreigners being charged more for things was a resident issue then I think that would be fair enough but it isn't. For example if someone from Vietnam rocked up and obviously looked Thai then they would get Thai prices. Why, because they look Asian, or more exact oriental Asian. Same for Loas, Cambodians etc etc.

Staff don't stand at park entrances or other events and ask everyone for their Thais ID cards so its quite obvious that the criteria is if you dont look like them then you are a foreigner and hence pay more.

Don't forget that the general definition for being a "farang" is not for someone who comes from anywhere outside Thailand (as it should be) but rather if you are Caucasian. We all know what Thais call a black man, we all know they call Arabs, simply Alabs. Sometimes they refer to a black man as a Farang but not always. Divisions are quite obvious and its this culture that is carried through to their national decisions such as tax etc etc.

Bottom line thinking for everything from paying more for your chicken & rice, paying more to see the crocodile show or more taxes is, your have more money so you pay more money.