georgey

one can also "interpret it" as an inability to spell the word "vain" maybe?

2 minutes ago, asiam110 said:

Do you have a certificate of any sort already?

Yes, I've got the paper cert issued by the hospital (which of course has a QR code) as well as all that info appearing on MorPhrom app.

I've tried to make an appointment to get this certificate, and if the relevant website (http://vacn.ddc.moph.go.th/index.php) is to be believed, there is no appointment availability until January. It seems a bit unlikely, though not impossible, if this cert is actually required for international travel, that it should be necessary to wait 6 weeks to get something so basic done, and, as we leave in about 2 weeks, it means we won't be able to get one this way in any case. I'm wondering if this is a problem with their website, and if anyone has been able to get an appointment sooner by another method?

I understand Bumrungrad will do it, for a fee of B1,500pp, and that it takes about 3 days (that's what they said on the phone), and we may well have to resort to that approach. 

A recent discussion on this forum (Travel rules and Covid Vaccine Certificate recognition for UK or NHS integration, opened by The Hammer 21) strongly suggests that this "passport" isn't required for entry to the UK, which will be our first stop. We then go to Switzerland, which requires visitors to register for that country's own certificate, before returning here. So, unless it's required during transit - Dubai and Amsterdam, in our case - and I don't think it is, it seems this cert may not actually be essential, though it would provide an extra layer of comfort which can be reassuring during travel. Wondering if anyone has an opinion on this?

Any information would be much appreciated.

11 hours ago, tonray said:

I'm just confused as to why he came here instead of dating one of the Kardashian sisters.

Maybe, in spite of his appearance, he actually has good taste?

2 hours ago, Stupooey said:

To answer your question (in the brackets), the sandfly is in the face of quality tourism.

Wow! Someone on this forum who understands punctuation and spelling!

5 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

didnt  the law  say "no when exercising" maybe outdoors  only, although big  fans and open windows would  help, air con wouldnt

I can't find the answer to that expressed clearly anywhere, unfortunately....

17 minutes ago, treetops said:

Google tells me it's from the WHO website.

 

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/myth-busters

 

Thank you vm!

Thank you both for your answers. I'd be especially interested to know where Havefunme's info came from; could be useful in trying to get them to behave rationally.

Sorry. Should have replied to you directly. Did you get that from a reputable source - if so, I'd like to be able to show it to my condo management.

Thank you both for your answers. I'd be especially interested to know where Havefunme's info came from; could be useful in trying to get them to behave rationally.

Had my workout rudely interrupted today & told I had to wear a mask. We have a limit of 5 in the gym (as well as a time limit of one hr), but seldom more than 2 or 3 in there at any one time. I was on the cross-trainer at the time, & would find it really uncomfortable to do aerobic exercise with a mask on. Seems to me to be precious little point re-opening a gym with such restrictions. I'd like to suggest to them that they start making it necessary to book, & limit it to one "household" at a time, but I'm sure this would be rejected as too hard (ie, too much work). Wondering if others are facing the same conditions?

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

There is also another facet to consider with mass testing - that is false positives. 

 

The UK office of national statistics quotes an RT PCR test false positive rate of 0.8 to 4.3% 

 

The Lancet (in an Article published in Sept 2020) quotes  0.8 to 4.0% false positive rate for an RT PCR test. 

 

Thus, out of 1,000,000 Covid-19 RT PCR tests per day - anywhere between 8,000 and 40,000 tests could be a false positive result. 

 

When ‘Mass testing’ the issue is that we (Thailand or any country) could be testing itself into a Panic. 

 

Any positive tests really should be tested again to ensure the accuracy of the false positive result. 

 

 

Additionally: Once we are all vaccinated a positive test result means little in the same manner that testing positive for influenza means little, particularly for those without symptoms - the key metric remains to be ‘how many people are becoming unwell’.... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have to say that I think you're wrong here. Taking your example of 1m tests over a given period, assume (for the sake of a round number) that 10% come up as positive. I think what is being said by the UK office of NS & the Lancet is that 0.8 to 4% of the (in my example) 10% positives are false - i.e. 0.08 to 0.4% of the total tested.  

18 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

It’s not totally clear, but their calculations seem to be based on 40 flights over 13 weeks, not 40 per week for 13 weeks.

 

But I’m not sure where the figure of 40 flights comes from. They note 7 airlines operating 3 direct flights a week. Which suggests 21 flights per week. I think there is more information not quoted in the article and that enables them to be confident of using a figure of 40 flights over 13 weeks, in their calculations.

Because he is reading it as 7 airlines operating 3 flights a week (in total, between them) for 13 weeks = 39, call it 40 flights over the period.

Otherwise it could be read as 7 times 3 (21 flights per week) times 13 = 273 flights total. 

Not sure anyone could get to 40 per week.

Not entirely answering your question, but our experience travelling from BKK a few days ago was one police checkpoint in, I think, Chantaburi, where they asked where we were going & what jabs we'd had (one AZ each); they didn't ask to see any evidence of vax status. Hotel asked to see MorPhrom thing. No questions on the ferry. All v relaxed. Like you, we got v mixed info from phone calls/online searches prior to travel.

got it this time tks

14 hours ago, James105 said:

Now try replacing the word “unvaccinated” with “obese” in what you said here and see if you still stand by your desire for medical apartheid based on peoples personal choices about what they put into their bodies.

Never heard of someone catching obesity from someone else.

1 hour ago, geisha said:

If you’re British you can enter UK.   From  Thailand it’s on Amber rules, look it up on gov.com .  
James Teague managing director of AZ Thailand. Ask him.

Yes, thanks, I was aware of the rules for the UK (yes, I am UK citizen). But not interested on going to the UK this time, was concerned about our plans to go to mainland Europe.

I've written to AZ (yesterday), but yet to get a reply. A lot of conflicting info on this subject, so hoping they can clear it up. One poster a few days said he'd contacted Spain, Portugal, Greece, UK embassies & they'd all said Thai-made AZ is unacceptable - ie, you won't get the benefits of being "double-jabbed". If/when I get an answer from AZ will post the result. We're planning to go to Europe early-Oct., after jab #2, so really need to understand to what extent we're going to be limited. 

10 hours ago, khunPer said:

Predicting is difficult, especially about the future, but since I was allowed to peek into another member's valuable antique crystal ball, I got the impression that TAT's "worse case" scenario for 2022 is the most reliable of the three options...????

how do you predict about anything other than the future?

2 hours ago, rupert the bear said:

this is my experience,this passport vaccine book-the az vacc here in thailand isnt accepted by eu or uk so its pointless if thats where u wanna go.according to several eu embassies ive spoken to eg greece port and spain thats the case unless u r an eu citizen u cant even get in leaving from thailand so.....sorry folks but the eu accept the az from india ,s korea and uk but not here,burocrats again.who needs them.morons.az wouldnt put their name to it if it wasnt the same.ohhh god if theres one thing we should have learned from covid is that govt isnt fit for purpose and that applies to most places,a lot have been criminally negligent and as for the place where it came from ..cover up city...youll disappear into the bamboo gulag if u speak of it loudly or wish to warn people of the danger,where did all those drs nurses journos and concerned citizens go,at the special schools brushing up their uigher lang skills i guess.

I had been hoping to travel with my (Thai) wife to Europe (most likely Greece) 14 days after getting jab #2; from what you say, that's going to be impossible, unless they reclassify the AZ administered here. Ridiculous situation, but one that is hopefully quite easily rectified if the right department could be bothered. Thanks for sharing your experience - that was the first I'd seen of it in writing, though my wife did tell me yesterday there had some problem with a group of Thai students being unable to return to their school/uni in the UK/Europe due to having had AZ - but of course details were a bit sketchy.

4 hours ago, harada said:

Looks like an air gun slug to me, although had it gone much further it could have possibly caused some serious damage.

Correct, it is