georgey

1 hour ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

I took that data and transformed it based on population and gave a mortality rate based on that data.   Mortality rate in the US was around 1.74%, and in Canada a smidgen higher.  Now I suspect that people living here have no deficiency in Vitamin D so I would expect the mortality rate to be less, possibly more if the health care system has collapsed in the country.  That being said some of the data seems to indicate data may be under-reported for certain values (likely due to failure to do comprehensive testing for non-hospitalized cases). 

 

Your table is v useful, & as you have said, & accepting also the comments of Blumpie below, there are a number of significant shortcomings in the quality of the data. Certainly deaths will be under-reported, probably in all these countries, with the likely exception of Singapore. IMO, however, the biggest variance is likely to be in total cases; obviously the Myanmar numbers, for both total cases & total deaths, are wildly under-stated. I think, as far as the rest are concerned, the most obvious inaccuracies are the numbers of, first, Indo, and then the Phils., where the absolute inability to test, due to enormous logistical difficulties of doing so in two countries where islands are spread over enormous areas, & societies which in the remote areas are seriously primitive. That, to me, suggests a likely overstatement of mortality rate, given how much easier it is to count deaths than to test the living. For the other countries, it would be necessary to understand their political agendas, & I wouldn't pretend to do so. So, ending up with TH & Malaysia somewhere in the middle seems about right. Indo & Phils, plain wrong. Brunei & Laos, no real idea as to their agendas. But the Singapore numbers are likely to be accurate, &, in spite of their excellent health system dragging the mortality rate well down, I'd feel that the MR for most of these countries is probably a bit overstated, predominately due to their reluctance &/or inability to test at s meaningful level.

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Are you talking about people like Taweesin Wisanuyothin,

 

Thailand could see daily infections of more than 30,000 if the public did not comply, Taweesin Wisanuyothin, a spokesman for the country's COVID-19 task force, told a briefing.

Actually thought what he had to say was reasonably intelligent.

2 hours ago, pedro01 said:

What is it with people here posting about their 'predictions'?

 

They want a pat on the back or a lolly or something ?

 

A casual observer might note that increased infections coincides with increased lockdowns.

 

There is obviously something we are missing in our knowledge of this virus, otherwise there would be some sort of global consensus on how to prevent infections. Lockdowns appear to have failed everywhere, which is odd.

Well said re the predictions. There was even someone today "patting himself on the back", but then very modestly admitting that "getting it right" didn't take much intelligence! Spot on! It's even more ridiculous when you bear in mind that the numbers people expend so much effort (and a little "intelligence") to predict are, by definition, wrong, probably wrong by a huge margin. 

1 hour ago, smedly said:

Hardly much to brag about - lets put this into perspective

 

This is equivalent to a single large day cruise ship in the Mediterranean carrying 400 people - it is hardly ground breaking tourism and to add that a significant number I suspect were not even tourists but those returning that live here, also offset by costs to set it up and the loss of local tourism 

 

- 400 people odd a day

- Bt800m spent minus hotel costs is about Bt2000 a day

 

was it really worth it ?, plus we have a massive drop in Sept - hardly enough to fill a couple of hotels - what then ?

Sept 90,182

3 hours ago, phukettrader said:

Really? According to the governments figures yesterday, cases = 453,132, deaths = 3,697 = 0.816% of cases

In fact, while it is a pretty pointless argument (given that it is based on numbers which, by definition, are incorrect), that percentage will, in reality, be substantially lower. Deaths are (according to a number of doctors, and also common sense) a bit higher than the reported numbers, how big a "bit" we'll never know. Cases, however, are very much higher (and this applies to just about every country, not unique to TH), but once again we have no idea how much higher (many estimate between 3 and 6 times). What we can deduce, therefore, is that the %age is lower, though not by how much.

16 hours ago, 2 is 1 said:

What about tourist flight's to Phuket and Samui, maybe they are not province's in Thailand anymore!

Samui never was.

On 7/18/2021 at 2:24 AM, JackGats said:

If you want a high-protein diet with some variety Thailand is more expensive. If on top of that you care for cruelty to animal and want to get your proteins from dairy products, Thailand is 5 times as expensive.

 

50 euros do not go a long way at Central, just a handful of items at the bottom of your cart. At Aldi or Lidl or one of the other popular supermarkets in the EU I fill a wole shopping cart to the top with 50 euros.

Agree with you absolutely. Prices in central BKK are seriously high (compare to the West), unless you restrict yourself to locally-produced stuff, and, even then, if you bother to do the maths, you're sometimes in for some real shocks. 

6 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

It's the "necessary travel" that needs very clear definition. 

You went to work today? Is that necessary travel. Without exact guidelines who knows

I think it may be up to those who enforce the rules (if indeed anyone bothers to do so) to decide exactly what the rules are, as they go along. Which would not be without precedent here.....

3 hours ago, NemoH said:

Based on the stats - of 403,386 cases and 3,341 fatalities, there is 0.005% of covid amongst Thailand 7.5m population and a death rate 0.0008 % of those infected... ?? Is this true?

No. Not true at all. You've got your decimal points in a twist. Population 75m-ish, not 7.5m. 3,300 is 0.8% of 403,000. 403,000 is 0.5% of 75m. Otherwise spot on!

7 hours ago, Muhendis said:

ฉันมันคนงี่เง่า ????

You may be right, but I'd always been taught that:

"Some Thai men use ‘ฉัน’ when speaking to “very close female friends” , not to men nor older and younger women."

2 hours ago, medina21 said:

Anyone successful at registering with phyathai2international.com this morning? Site would not load from 09:00 until 09:20. Accessed the site at 10:00 to see message saying quota for the day filled. Now, there is a new message saying quota is only 100 per day.

I had the same experience. Asked them on their online chat whether it'd be better to come in in person, but they wouldn't or couldn't answer that. So will try again tomorrow.....yawn

On 7/11/2021 at 10:23 AM, 2long said:

Toyota Fortuners are (in my opinion) the worst vehicles on the road, because most of these people have humble/low-income ancestry but recently became wealthy... therefore they have the worst of both mentalities.

Fortuners + all pick-ups. Absolutely

17 hours ago, smedly said:

not everyone has a car

rent one

3 minutes ago, jojothai said:

I was on my own. Thai wife did not yet want to go, especially for so long.
You should not go to get vaccinated when you should be in Quarantine. You risk hefty fines.
Read all the guidelines on the NHS website.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-quarantine-when-you-arrive-in-england
Vaccination date is important recorded which would be clear evidence. 
In practise the pop up center may not know your status re the isolation.
but if you give your NHS number and they access your details there may be something there from the locator declarations and the test and trace that you are required to use. IMHO if you tried you would have to try to avoid the test and trace.

Yes OK. That makes sense, thanks

On 7/7/2021 at 12:22 PM, timendres said:

 

75 satang one hundred times = 75 baht tip. A decent meal.

congratulations! I was wondering how long it would take for someone to get there!

22 hours ago, jojothai said:

IMHO if you are thinking of going to UK then get out before Thailand becomes a red zone. The numbers are clearly going up.

Read my posts.
You need a minimum of 6 weeks if you do the 5 day test to release, but you should use 7 weeks.

based on
5 day test to release.

day 6 first dose at pop up / walk in clinic or vaccination center.

4 weeks to second dose of AZ or 3 weeks for Pfizer. You have to find a vaccination center or GP that will do this, otherwise it is 8 weeks.
1 week minimum to apply for COE, get it preapproved, then get COE after ASQ booking.
Read the steps on the Thai embassy website. Very clear.
Allow say 3 days pre-approval and 3 working days for COE. They say up to 5 days for COE.

Play safe and allow 2 weeks after your second dose for return date. For COE and Important for 2 other reasons.
1. You can only apply for the NHS pass Certificate of vaccination 5 days after your second dose. They say it will take about 5 working days for you to receive it. Mine took 5 working days. ( Thats 7 days of the week).

2. Majority advice is that you should allow at least 2 weeks for the second dose to become effective.
 

Thank you for laying all this out clearly; that is very helpful. Stopped me from having to ask the question in this forum. Just a couple of extra things I was wondering: did you do all this alone or were you with a (in my case Thai) spouse? I was hoping it might be possible to "pop in" to a "pop-up" vacc centre on the way to our place of 10-day isolation - do you know for a fact that would be against the rules (even though it looks very likely that it would be)?

5 hours ago, anchadian said:

Exactly.  The website concentrates on only two hospitals in central Bangkok.

 

Those that live outside of central Bkk and especially those with underlying health conditions, are they going to travel to central BKK?

 

Pathetic.

 

 

Why on earth not? I'm thinking of going to the UK or the US to get mine. Hardly a big deal coming to BKK, twice in a 2 or 3 month period, from anywhere in Thailand.

10 hours ago, SpaceKadet said:

I know how the photo was taken, because I have taken many similar photos myself. Half under, half over..... but the objects were generally more stimulating...

One would certainly hope so! Couldn't get much less stimulating than those.....

I just wish they'd double the price & provide it now.

Just now, Cuchulainn said:

^^

Thanks. But you need to go twice. Once to give them your pp and then a few days later to get it back. Not so handy if you live in the sticks!!

 

Or do they EMS it to your address?

Not sure if they'd do that....it's just a short walk for me

6 minutes ago, Cuchulainn said:

^^

Interesting. Do you need to be an out patient or registered with them?

 

If not, this seems just a visa agent service.

 

B650? Not bad.

No, you don't need to register or anything like that. So, yes, it is exactly as you describe it.

If you're in central BKK, the service provided by Bumrungrad Hospital may be your best bet. Only B650, they fill in the form. Think they go twice a week (not that that should matter). It's in the Business Centre, 10th Floor, Building 1 (or maybe A). Extremely efficient.

2 hours ago, alien365 said:

Does anyone have a method of bringing their BP down in such situations? 

Keep an Aprovel tablet in your pocket, take it if BP too high when first tested. It works quite fast.

10 hours ago, lelapin said:

Tried to do my 90 day reporting online today and got this

 

Other than the last time in March when the system was down, I have used it successfully for the last few years. Is there a new problem.

i'm getting exactly the same as you. Pathetic. The only good thing about it is that, each time you (re-)try it, it remembers all the data you input from previous attempts. So it makes it really easy to persevere - only to get the same result each time.....