SamMunich

smedley's tagline:

Do not argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience

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I like that tagline. Reminds me of the Red Shirt taxi drivers, that want to convince me that Taksin is a good man.

SamMunich

Unfair? Depends on the actual issue he was sentenced for. A traffic ticket would be unfair to hold against him, but e.g. a corruption or a lying in court is a much bigger issue. In other countries even ministers would have to step down for such things as corruption etc.

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I guess this separatism trump card is one of the very last trump cards they have up their sleeves. It smells of desperation, red shirt syle.

And I also wonder, if this is - again - only being discussed among the top echelon of the red shirts. The interest and intentions of the regular red shirts and their leaders are rarely identical nowadays...

Hasn't that guy, Mr. Promphong Nopparit, been found guilty of something criminal? How come he is still representing the government?

I would suspect that is on purpose... one among many?

Does that mean they will take down now these awful traffic-obstructing girlie posters of Ms. Yingluck ???

Thai at Heart wrote:

.... Spread through the well known chinese route to Hong Kong. Yeah right. 1.5bn smuggled out through a supposedly secret chinese tunnel.

I think you might find that this technique moves billions of USD for more than just the shinawats.

All gossip and bulls**t. This isn't a soap opera or james bond. Thaksin with his desert island using ancient smuggling routes to Hong Kong. ...

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SamMunich replied:

Sorry, but that's reality, not James Bond stuff.
There is a name for it as well, though I would not know. ...
... This is perfectly suitable to move corruption money.

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And then disbelieve on the side of Thai at Heart:

You believe this bit of hearsay?
Glad to see the authorities have moved to crack down in this well established network.

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And then SamMunich adds (now):

Believe it or not, it's a fact. If you don't believe it, you have the problem with it not "it" with you <wg>.

OTOH if you don't believe it, how can you acknowledge, that authorities have cracked down on this "well established" non-existant monetary transfer system?

Bearboxer:

phutoie2 wrote:

Thai at Heart:

Suthep has been dividing the nation with his speeches every night for the past 4 months.

This is the result. I hope he likes it.

It's his only achievement in 4 months.

ShannonT, are you a dentist? Your avatar implies it...

Or are you in love with Suthep's teeth?

If we can believe the figures given in the NATION (see TV "rice farmers now reliant opn 'low' market prices), then we have 1.91 million farmers, who participate in the pledging, out of which 550,000 got paid and 1.36 million are still waiting.

Now when the government claims it will pay farmers, EVERY SINGLE FARMER will think HE is certainly amon those that get paid. And until he knows better, he will keep his mouth shut. That is the policy of the government to stop protests. And why they will always say, more money will be coming forward in short time. But the farmers will get short-changed.

A newspaper headline blared "Farmers get paid" and it turns out these farmers were something like a few thousand among the 1.36 million unpaid farmers. Did that newspaper get a new substantial advertising job from a government supporting company? That is something like 2 in 10,000 farmers! From 700 million Baht out of 130 billion Baht due.

I really wonder, where all the farmers are, that were so vocal about getting paid "by the end of next week"? I can't imagine, that so many of them are so stupid to believe the governments claim to pay out all of them in the next few days or weeks. From what money? From re-allocating the salary budget of the civil servants in Thailand? From getting the 60 billion back, that were syphoned off via Hong Kong?

davejones23

A coup just before the government and the UN can officially call for reconcilliation talks.

Convenient, eh?

sent from my hippo phone

I thought I read that Yinluck said no to talks with Suthep. I'm not on either side, but Suthep is willing to have talks from what I read. Yinluck said no. A TV debate would allow all Thais see what's being said on both sides.

A TV debate?

Nah, Yingluck would loose out to Suthep in every way. She hasn't gotten the experience of debating somebody like Suthep. She would look sooo old compared to him, that her spin doctors are all and completely against something like a one-on-one discussion. That's also why she wants to have a lot of support staff around her, who would do all the talking and she just sitting in between them, quiet.

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Sorry to correct you, but people like her or her family are never going to die on the battle field. They always make sure they got a horse or a car or a plane to get out before they could get burned. Remember the Marcoses? Remember Taksin's (then still) wife and the many suitcases on the way to SIngapore? And these suitcases were only for the black money...

The ones dying on the battle fields are always the small people, the farmers, labourers or simple soldiers. Like now the farmers, who got cheated out of their due money. Expect many of formerly independent farmers to sell all or part of their land, because... life must go on and the family needs to be fed and cared for. And a lot of red shirt politicians will come out of this with a lot more land to their name and the names of their family.

if you think Chalerm is stupid, then it might be the same thougth that many others have, but it's also informal and thus legit...

For the rest about how to find the news via Google I can only agree with you...

I just was flying in early last week (middle of Feb 2014) and there was even at nighttime a number of meter taxis waiting outside the airport building. I paid 110 + 40 Baht together. The taxi from the counter inside the buidling was charging 300 Baht.The meter taxis were waiting exact opposite the exit of the building...

Another question for me is, why there is no public transport system in Chiang Rai. The size of the town would justify it.

Going on like this the Red shirts wil soon run out of muscians willing to play for them.

In terms of sales of the music I'm sure this action by the red shirts will only push the figures up...

Secession is just another of those weird ideas of the some red shirts, like Dab Daeng's joy over killed Thais at the same occasion.

Seriously, if anybody would propose that for real, he/she might get lynch'd by the vast majority of all Thais.

Beside that it would be pretty stupid, because a lot of upcountry money would be gone without the industry around Bangkok and Central Thailand. Where are most of the Isarn workers employed? Who will then send home money?

So there is no point of getting excited, it's only unseful to counter the Red Shirts in an discussion... like here on TV.

Have been in Chiang Rai recently and I was pleasantly surprised, that at least in that province the Red shirts don't reign without opposition. I came across several places, where BlueskyTV was on, and not in secret. Or where the newspaper topics were discussed with sympathies for the protesters.

Actually I never understood, how the Northern farmers could support Taksin, as he was the one to push through the bilateral treaty with China, after which Northern Thailand was flooded with cheaper Chinese agricultural produce.
In effect this killed of a lot of northern farming business and income. And nobody dared to complain about it...

There is now no distance between Yingluck and Thaksin. Even the pretense of that has gone. Thaksin's disdain for the independent agencies and the courts is now being enthusiastically adopted by Yingluck. Is this the example she wants to set for the country - that the independent agencies and the courts can be simply ignored ? Is that what she wants to convey to the people ? She has now been reduced to create an inner world for herself - a world that now apparently includes airport tarmacs where no protesters can express their displeasure. In addition to a constitutional vacuum, she has created for herself her own vacuum - her own world - as her public appearances now have to be choreographed so carefully that they keep her away from any sound that even remotely resembles a whistle.

For one, this is in the tradition of the likes of her brother and Somchai Wongsawat, who fled to CM before being thrown out. He even didn't leave the "Mu Bahn" of his wife's residence... until it was all over,

What I'm wondering is, what will happen, if the courts will decide against her. Will she be automatically dismissed or what is the correct procedure? Can she still simply ignore the courts and continue to act as if she were still Caretaker? And what is the legal situation after March 4th, when the "30 days after election" are past?