SamMunich

HGMA wrote:

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There is a common understanding among basically ALL Thais not to give away a single square meter of the country, so I wonder who in his right mind can propose to cut up the country into two. Could only be Taksin & Co. who try to salvage at least a little bit of their loot. And this idea has been floated by Northern/Isarn red shirts. Most likely this is to provoke the military into action, as they will not allow the splitting up of the country.

What makes me always wonder is, how so many people can be fooled into following those, that actually exploit them.

Of the whole shebang, that sofar has been paid out for the rice pledging, only 30% has reached the people, who were supposed to get 100% of it. The 70% were skimmed off by rice millers, middlemen and other gangsters. No wonder these people, who made a fortune of the pledging scheme, are all in favour of the government, which feeds them so nicely. But these are 5 to 10% of the red shirts, the local leaders, the other 90-95% are cheated upon and still they don't want to believe it, if told, that they are cheated.

And now these 90% or more are told to go to Bangkok to slug it out for their bigwigs, who themself will stay back. I mean, how brain-dead msut one be to listen and follow such scum like Chalerm, Jatuporn or Nuttawuth etc??? No wonder even after 6 years of Taksin rule, education didn't make a nano-movement towards progress.

This tactic of throwing grenades reminds me of the time, when teh yellow shirts occupied the the office of the government a couple of years ago. At least once a week some coward would lob a M-79 grenade at the demonstrators sitting there.

Seems this is the same kind of action now again. And this is especially true, if you got no real reason to support your oppinion. Sorry to say, but this seems to be a typical thing in Thailand: If you don't know how to save your face, become violent.

Red shirt, white shirt yellow shirt or any other color, the real question is:

Whether Thailand should be governed by a guy living permanently outside Thailand,

not being elected to any poltical position,

being sentenced (final) to 24 months in prison and

being on the run from the law.

Another question is, if normal Thais are allowed to hold dual or multiple nationalities. And if so, if they are still allowed to play politics, provided they are in Thailand and out of prison etc.

I know of at least 3 other former PMs, who were ousted in a coup and who resigned themselves to wash their hands off poltics in Thailand.

whybother:

an injection of a 'Middle Way' is in dire need - if this movement can bring peace and new ideas I'm all for it

"This movement" ... you mean the red shirts that have changed to white shirts?

No, they just used the wrong washing powder, now all the red color is washed out...

And that "middle way" always reminds me of the "only a little bit pregnant" joke. It is either Taksins way or the other way, there is no other way in between, else we'll have the same situation in no time again.

Kikoman thinks:

So if she were a man instead of a woman, attacking her status as a dummy of her elder brother would be o.k. then? C'mon, her being a woman is not an achievement nor a fault, it's a folly of nature, if you want. But that doesn't mean she is not to be critizised. There are enough "strong" women around nowadays to refute the claim, that women are the weaker gender.

And stop talking about Suthep being a fascist, you are only ridiculing yourself. And boring others.

If you can get a JetAir flight, that is a much better alternative to AirAsia. For one you got more leg room and aren't so squeezed in as on AA. Food/drinks are double the price of AA though, but that's a flight of less than 2 hours.

The other day I flew down to SIN on JetAir and it was way better at basically the same price as AA.

Just1Voice complained:

How many more of the laughable "threats" by CMPO and Chalerm the Charming do we have to listen to before someone finally grows, or finds, a pair and they actually do something? What's so hard about 1 site at a time, bring in water canons, rubber bullets and tear gas. Clear that one, move on to the next.

You reddies just don't get it!

You attack one of the sites with force and the next thing is you have a few thousand more people coming out of nowhere to support the demonstrators. Ever heard of "social media" and mobile phone alert lines?

And number two: Obviously the military will stay out of the fray, until some side uses serious force, like gassing people or shooting live rubber bullets. Tell you that hurts too! And in fact people have been fatally wounded by rubber bullets. Now guess on which side the military woul enter?

Methinks, we should pay attention to a little distinction:

We are all for the farmers to get the money they are owned by the government, but at the same time we can not see, that above the already depleted government budget we are to pay AGAIN, only this time in the form of guarantees of some obscure kind for banks.

As if the 2007 ff. banking crisis had not happened, we should trust banks???

If the government had done, what it promised, that is to sell the rice, they would have money to pay the farmers. Now as the gov't obviously is too stupid to sell the rice, the tax payers etc. are called upon to be milked again...

And that is about all that is to be said about this.

Else we should start talking about the entrepreneural failure of Mr. Squarehead...

Not "read my lips" but "read my tagline" (see below)

Oops, what is that in plain speak: "ultra convicted criminal corrupted thug"? Ultra convicted, and then criminal and then...corrupted as well and...

I know there was something about 20 years ago, but I don't remember Suthep being convicted of anything.- as you claim. Can you provide some kind of proof. The 2010 red uprisign has not yet been prosecuted in any way, AFAIK. Did he pro verbis order the Army to "massacre women and children"? Very unlikely, because there would be nothing gained from that.

Hated? Certainly, but even you and I might have some people hating us. Hated by most people? How do you measure that? That would be more than 50% of all Thais, including people not able or allowed to vote, but excluding those massacred in 2010.

And this one I also can't make sense of: "And to keep it as long as he can,..." what then?

There we have it again, the "I'm only a little pregnant!" compromise.

If the demonstrators and Suthep so much as only give the Caretakers a pause to re-organize, they will be doomed. Now, that they are in the defensive, the Caretakers try to get some time to figure out a way to escape being thrown out.

No compromise could be a solution!

Much more likely a third party, made up from people without stains of corruption on their face or their history!

People, who have proven their value for the country, not for certain politicians (and Taksin is not the only one, only by far the worst!). There are such people in Thailand, many of them, who act responsibile and don't try to take advantage of others for their own good. It is up to protesters and farmers to find and propose such people.

No foul, smelly compromise!

Why should the banks lend money to the Caretakers? They are in business, not in politics.

And if a deal is too bad, then there is no way you can get a bank to participate. Ying-un-lucky not and neither the Kamnan.

Anybody who thinks the banks can be pushed this or that way doesn't know about what this economic system is about. Go back to school!

Without a 1,000% surety, that the Caretakers will also be the next government, no state-owned (in fact only partially) bank will risk lending money which the bank can as well kiss goodbye. Not KTB, not BAAC, not GHB or GSB (sp?)...

Good riddance, Caretakers

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If they are redundant,- great. Fire them and save taxes wasted on their salaries.

Obviously they were set up by the Ministry of Interior, who ordered them to "protest". We are all shocked into awe...

Thailand:

About time.

Hopefully it will go off smoothly without any problems.

Your tagline ''These are my principles,if you don't like them I have others" - Groucho" is about the best in all of your 3,000+ posts...

So if Kitirat issues such a letter of comfort, does that make him a comfort man... as opposed to a comfort woman???

As a matter of fact I think he's been found to be willing to do things for payments.

Why would Suthep show up at court right now? He would be instantly taken away by police.
He knows,
the court knows,
everybody knows,-
except some light-headed TV posters here?

Beside that he can't be tried for killing/ordering to kill protesters. Only for ordering to use the military to "clear" the area. How the military did it, wasn't defined by either Abhisit or Suthep...