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bkk airs USM fares (or should they be called 'not fairs'?) cannot be justified by using the 'it's included in the package holiday' card. there's loads of holidaymakers/tourists that aren't on a package holiday.
I - and EVERYONE I know who holidays in thailand - only buy a flight to BKK then take it from there.
I've spent many a day on my laptop in BKK tutting at bkk air USM prices before booking a flight to HKT/KBV/CNX for a fraction of the price.
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flown with them a few times. tbh, I couldn't complain - flights were on time and no dramas but nothing I can recall to make me recommend them. it was 5+ years ago though, ie before their fatal flight from brazil.
I'm not a huge fan of airfrance/KLM - unlike many of the arab airlines, they very rarely (if at all) offer flexible tickets (date changes, cancellation refunds etc).
their prices are usually higher than they should be given the level of service, although they do occasionally offer a bargain.
I would fly with them again but only if the price was right.
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It's going to be a long day! Road to Don Muang/Plane to Nakhon/Road to Donsak/Boat to Samui/Road to hotel.
Assuming that even if all the connections work out you can write off most of the day in travelling.
It really boils down to a balance of Bkk Air expense and travel time of 1 hour against a gruelling trip which
might take the edge off the holiday; plus the enormous possibility that one of the links in the travel chain will go
belly up.
right you are mr gatorade - neither option is particularly attractive:
bkk air = rip off fare.
nok deal = mucho pissing abouto.
solution - flick samui the v's and head somewhere else. that's gonna be my preferred option if the USM flight fare situation remains. It appears to be the option of many others too by the looks of the farang numbers on the island.
With prices at nearly 5000 Baht one way near three times the cost to Phuket for example who could blame anyone for staying away?....just plain crazy!!
Seconded!
Plain Crazy....selfish, money hungry monoply which only serves this company, in situations like now... all other businesses suffer.
and again - do you hear that birdman?
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Why bother coming to Samui at these crazy bangkok air prices.Easier to go to Phuket.The average price from Samui to BKK or pattaya is now 4280 baht one way.Just this time last year i got a one way price of 1800 baht from pattaya.Very frustrating if you live here.Air asia are offering good prices to Bangkok from Surat but then you are adding an extra 4 hours to the journey.Bankok air really piss me off.
do you hear that birdman?
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copy and paste <> you are telling that in almost all your postings now. A campaign? A crusade? the reincarnated Don Quixote?
you're about the only member in the samui forum in denial birdman - everyone can see samui is suffering bar you. I'll take it as a compliment that you repeatedly follow me round to reply on the subject - I'm obviously having the desired effect.
re-incarnated Don Quixote? ahem, you'll see from my profile that I joined 2004-12-03. incidentally, I note you joined 2006-08-07 - almost 2 years later. accusations of false personas? Im appalled - do you not know to respect your elders?
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Going back to the original post that 14000Baht return for 2 seems excessive, I note that as an example a similar domestic fare in UK for the same distance i.e. London to Edinburgh return starts at around 16000 Baht. 14K seems reasonable. It all depends on the value you place on your time I suppose.
Ready for incoming!
nice try gatorade - you wont get a bite from me.I can get a return flight to london from aberdeen (further than edinburgh) with easyjet for £50 (£49.98 to be exact). that's approx 2400THB return (using exchange of 48THB-£1).
I wouldn't mind being your travel agent given your idea of 'value for money'.
back on topic - USM fares are ridiculous, simple as that. no justification can be accepted.
samui as an island will suffer - it already is if you take a look around. I've never seen samui as dead as it has been recently.
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It's going to be a long day! Road to Don Muang/Plane to Nakhon/Road to Donsak/Boat to Samui/Road to hotel.
Assuming that even if all the connections work out you can write off most of the day in travelling.
It really boils down to a balance of Bkk Air expense and travel time of 1 hour against a gruelling trip which
might take the edge off the holiday; plus the enormous possibility that one of the links in the travel chain will go
belly up.
right you are mr gatorade - neither option is particularly attractive:
bkk air = rip off fare.
nok deal = mucho pissing abouto.
solution - flick samui the v's and head somewhere else. that's gonna be my preferred option if the USM flight fare situation remains. It appears to be the option of many others too by the looks of the farang numbers on the island.
With prices at nearly 5000 Baht one way near three times the cost to Phuket for example who could blame anyone for staying away?....just plain crazy!!
you could say it's 'plane' crazy.
I'll get my coat.....
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you can look at the hotel bookings or the flight arrivals or whatever other stats you want but a simple walk/drive around confirms that samui is dead - it's not rocket science.
most on this thread realise that. anyone who says otherwise is simply in denial.
reasons:
1. bkk air fares
2. weak farang currency
3. recent bangkok riots
4. more practical/economical alternatives
5. more fun alternatives
6. taxi mafia
7. low season
8. depressing quiet bars/restaurants
etc etc
samui will always mean something to me as it was the first place in thailand I really loved but it just doesn't seem to have the buzz it used to have.
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Yes Leo is the Boon Rawd brewery's answer to Chang and aimed at poor people.
one has to laugh at the whole thai 'beer class' <deleted> - I mean, honestly, <deleted>???
it's just an example of how far the country still has to come.
some thais would probably buy a shit sandwich if you told them it was twice the price of a subway.
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It's going to be a long day! Road to Don Muang/Plane to Nakhon/Road to Donsak/Boat to Samui/Road to hotel.
Assuming that even if all the connections work out you can write off most of the day in travelling.
It really boils down to a balance of Bkk Air expense and travel time of 1 hour against a gruelling trip which
might take the edge off the holiday; plus the enormous possibility that one of the links in the travel chain will go
belly up.
right you are mr gatorade - neither option is particularly attractive:
bkk air = rip off fare.
nok deal = mucho pissing abouto.
solution - flick samui the v's and head somewhere else. that's gonna be my preferred option if the USM flight fare situation remains. It appears to be the option of many others too by the looks of the farang numbers on the island.
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why dont you book the early bird with Bangkok air, if memory serves me correctly you can get this flight for about 2K one way per person
Departing Bkk at 6am
dream on matey - it might've been 2000THB a few years back but it's now about 3380THB iirc, and thats supposed to be the 'discount' fare.
to OP - I recommend flying to surat with airasia then bus/boat to samui from there. added hassle but it will save you cash and avoids you giving in to bkk airs butt-raping fares.
alternatively, cancel your hotel and fly to phuket for a reasonable price.
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pattaya's about as cool as a sauna, on full blast, in the middle of the sahara.
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how do you come to that conclusion?
my eyes. amazing things.
this subject really winds you up birdman, doesnt it? I take it you love samui? well, love is blind.
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so is that the bus station location or a bus stop, ground floor door 8
it's a sales desk. buy a ticket from the desk then wait at the seating beside the desk approx 5 mins prior to your departure time. the staff come and call out the time and location and guide the passengers to the coach which is waiting outside the terminal.
as I said, I was pleasantly surprised. couldn't complain at all and cheap as chips.
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another whiner bashing AirAsia........ just for your information, AirAsia's fleet is younger than the fleet of THAI AIRWAYS INTERNATIONAL. yes they still do have some of B-737-300 but that's nothing to worry about. do you know how many hundreds of them still fly in the US, for example ? and they regularly get brandnew A-320 every other month or so, phasing out the old B-737.
I have more than 100 flights on the three different existing AirAsia-subsidiaries, and never ever found a safety card missing (why u did not ask the crew then ? it's your own fault ! another passenger of an earlier
flight may have taken it with him) Oh and their safety instruction and the cabin crew's general safety attitude is MUCH better than that of THAI AIRWAYS (the THAI AIR cabincrew couldn't care less in many cases).
having said this, by far the best option, the youngest fleet, and the best performance will probably be Bangkok Air forever, But unfortunately do not fly to many destinations
well said.
as I mentioned previously, in my experience, airasia aircraft always felt and looked new.
for the record, I think thai air are rubbish - I'd expect a hel_l of a lot more for some of the prices they charge.
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In 1948 Thailand and Singapore were both suffering from the effect of the war years. Look at how Singapore grew in the 1950's and 1960's. Compare the economy of Singapore now to the economy of Thailand today. Why did Singapore advance so fast? Here are 3 reasons; an honest government with no corruption, a government that used enforced savings (each worker was required to deposit some of their salary into a government bank) to develop the local infrastructure for everyone (transportation, education, health) wisely and honestly, and an attitude that promoted Singapore based industry over foriegn based industry. It still could be done in Thailand...if there were politicians who had the guts to force it.
That's how Singapore developed...and look at it today. If Thailand did the same, just think what Thailand coud be like in 35 years (about one generation)from now.
That's Thailand's choice...to do it the easy way...or to do it the hard way (with violence, social problems, and disruption). The politicians in Thailand will be the ones to decide.
although it would obviously benefit thais if thailand developed into a singapore type country, it would drain the fun from the country - let's face it, singapore is pretty boring. clean, safe and organised but unbelievably boring IMO.
thailand is a bit rough round the edges but that's the attraction for many visitors.
as I said previously (and I hope Im wrong) - future for thailand = good for thais, bad for farang.
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tourists 'pouring' into samui? what a load of <deleted>.
probably a few thais on a long weekend but the farang count is way down.
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the government bus from suvarnabhumi is fine - you can get it from the ground floor at door 8 iirc. 124THB.
I was expecting a raft of 5hit bus for that price but I was pleasantly surprised. a nice spacious modern coach with good aircon and a sensible driver (ie no lunatic speeding or over-taking).
I think it leaves every couple of hours and there's another company (bell travel iirc) right next to the government bus desk who leave on the hour between the government bus departures (so effectively there's a bus every hour). I think bell travel is slightly more expensive - about 200THB iirc but I think that includes a transfer to your hotel in pattaya too.
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The best future for Thailand? Don't emulate the West.
agreed.
you can just see it - 10 years from now, tuk tuks are banned for health & safety reasons.
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future for thailand = good for thais, bad for farang.
eg take a look at the exchange rate, although that could be a double-edged sword if tourism is taken into account. bad exchange rate = less farang = less money coming into the country.
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I can only comment on personal preference but I wouldn't add or converse with any stranger who added me on facebook - male or female, ugly or beautiful. the net is full of weirdos (just take a look here on TV).
if this is not a troll thread, then I think I'd be more concerned as to why your missus is speaking to some random belgian stranger. partly coz he's a bloke coming on to her, partly coz she's lapping it up, but mostly coz he could be a stalking psychopathic freak.
as mentioned previously in this thread, facebook has privacy/control settings so there's no excuse.
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I flew airasia CNX-HKT too just last month - I think I paid approx 1500THB including extra baggage which I thought was superb considering thai air are charging 5000THB+ on that route (it was actually closer to 7000THB when I booked).
flight was on time and cut out a whole lot of crap involved with going to HKT via BKK.
re hotel - you'll need to provide more info:
budget?
area? (patong, kata, karon etc?)
interests? (nightlife or relaxation?)
Looking at a hotel inPatong close to shops for the wife,restaurants and nightlife. Must be clean and not to noisy at night as at my age looking for relaxation as well as a swimming pool,bars close by. Willing to pay up to a max of 1500baht a night
Thanks for your help
try 'seasunsand'. seasunsand
I've stayed there about 5 times. it's on the second road approx 5 min walk from bangla road, jungceylon mall and the beach (in a different direction).
pool and sauna available and I got it for 900THB a night recently - I think the normal low season price is between 1000-1500THB including breakfast but I went without breakfast and haggled them down as a returning customer. high season is usually 2000-2500THB but you should be ok for the lower price in march.
although it's close to bangla road, it is very quiet as the rooms are tucked away off the road.
rooms are big and clean and I found the staff friendly.
there was a problem at the hotel with safety deposit box theft by staff a few years back but I've never had any problems and I'd imagine the culprits have already been dealt with as it created some bad press.
if seasunsand doesnt float your boat then try asiarooms.com or if you leave it to last minute try ratestogo.com.
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I flew airasia CNX-HKT too just last month - I think I paid approx 1500THB including extra baggage which I thought was superb considering thai air are charging 5000THB+ on that route (it was actually closer to 7000THB when I booked).
flight was on time and cut out a whole lot of crap involved with going to HKT via BKK.
re hotel - you'll need to provide more info:
budget?
area? (patong, kata, karon etc?)
interests? (nightlife or relaxation?)
Off course they can be cheap. Last time I flew with Thai Air Asia I observe that the safety briefing was very poor and short. In addition I observed that they did not have any safety card/ brochure in the seat pockets.
This tells me that the low fares is possible at the sacrifice of safety concerns. Afterwords I did a check of the registration numbers on the plane, and found the plane was an 25 year old museum piece 737-300 which they operate 8 off.
Six off them had their first flights in 1984/ 85 and the two newest had their first flight in 1986. Old scrap I think if you ask me.
NO MORE THAI AIR ASIA FOR ME!!!
Im surprised tbh - I can only speak from personal experience but I have flown airasia approx 5 times and one thing I remembered about each flight was the aircraft felt & looked new - modern exterior & interior, leather seats etc.
bangkok airways is my favourite domestic airline (although they are a total rip-off on the samui route
) but airasia wipe the floor with nok & 12go and thai air if you ask me. and if we are speaking about old planes then nok & 12go would be a good starting point.
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I flew airasia CNX-HKT too just last month - I think I paid approx 1500THB including extra baggage which I thought was superb considering thai air are charging 5000THB+ on that route (it was actually closer to 7000THB when I booked).
flight was on time and cut out a whole lot of crap involved with going to HKT via BKK.
re hotel - you'll need to provide more info:
budget?
area? (patong, kata, karon etc?)
interests? (nightlife or relaxation?)
you're about the only member in the samui forum in denial birdman - everyone can see samui is suffering bar you. 
nice try gatorade - you wont get a bite from me.
14.000 Baht !
in Koh Samui, Koh Phangan, Koh Tao
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doesn't surprise me at all - there's also the huge 'buddy' resort/complex in lamai. way over the top and I'd be shocked if they were anything like full.....ever.
the pool over the road at buddy used to be nice, until they started charging for the use. I think it was initially free as long as you ordered food/drinks then they started charging - initially 40THB, then 80THB and now 100THB. needless to say they now have few customers and the pool and surrounding decking is getting shabby.
samui greed strikes again.