laislica

My Thai wife has rellies who live in Europe full time and are renting for a month in Patts and we are planning to meet up with them soon and stay a few days.

I've never been there before so....

Where to avoid and what are the "Must See Places".

My wife likes temples, me - not so much but I do go especially to temples I've not seen before.

8 hours ago, naboo said:

The guy was asking about using Line mobile as an alternative to a fiber connection. Do you two start talking about the chemical structure of different ester molecules when asked if you want orange juice or grapefruit juice?

Quite right and I did apologise in an earlier post (#19).

However, the OP's question was fully answered in post #3.

You read this far, why?

Did you find it informative and did you learn something? (I did).

If so, perhaps it needs a new "Heads Up" thread about "PortForwarding - Why Ports opened in your Router are not open to the Internet".

It could include a comment that the first place to check is ones own Firewall.

They can block unsolicited attempts to contact your computer because they may see such attempts as a threat.

Then taking RichCor's posts and explain how CGNAT can be responsible and suggest the ways that a client can get round it?

Sounds like a job for RichCor, I'd make too many typos and errors LOL

or does everyone already know about network topology and it was only me that had never heard of CGNAT?

What do you think?

32 minutes ago, RichCor said:

 

Made some changes to your example graphic to show how CGNAT might be deployed.

 

NAT: Network Address Translation

CGNAT: Carrier Grade NAT (large scale deployment)

 

Having CGNAT is more like someone sticking another consumer NAT Router directly in front of your existing consumer NAT router. You probably wouldn't even notice your device is utilizing a NAT or CGNAT for most Internet access processes. 

 

A NAT Router (say a standard consumer router) takes one IP address and shares it to many connected devices by taking the one IP address and assigning it to itself (WAN IP) and then giving each local connected devices an IP address from a Reserved IP Address range (like the 192.168.1.x range) -- then the NAT Router acts as the go-between for any Internet requests, creating an internal table in memory to keep track of all outgoing Internet requests to pair the response back to the IP address of the connected device originally making the Internet request.

 

A NAT Router normally allows all outgoing requests, keeps track of the IP connected device expecting a response, and DROPS all unsolicited incoming data from the Internet. Only responses matching an existing request get past back through the NAT Router.

 

A standard consumer NAT Router also has provisions allowing unsolicited outside data to be delivered directly to connected devices over open Ports (via "Port Forwarding" or UPnP [Wikipedia links]), so in addition to only passing responses to existing requests, the NAT Router can also be set to pass unsolicited incoming data along to a internal designated IP address that hopefully has a connected device at that IP address listening for data requests.

 

But in order for this to work, a Port Forward or UPnP request must have been set up in the NAT Router to even pass the data along. This process usually breaks when you stack multiple NAT Routers as your connected device may 'know' about the initial NAT Router, but not the additional NAT Router stacked upstream. This situation is known as Double-NAT,  and because the initial NAT-Router is acting as your go-between, your devices can't know there is yet more NAT Routers upstream that also need configuration ... and with CGNAT you normally DON'T have permission to set Port Forwards or UPnP requests on the ISP commercial equipment. *

 

* Some ISPs now allow setting Port Forwards in their CGNAT configuration via an external web page that stores the request with your account provisioning information -- so even if the ISP makes changes to your connection (reissues you a new CGNAT IP Address for instance) the configuration follows you. 

 

As stated previously, most Mobile Internet connections are CGNAT, so any application you have where you want to query or access a device like a IP Camera will not work, unless the IP Camera uses an intermediary Website to keep a 'foot-in-the-door' on your behalf.

Very many thanks for taking the time to create such a great post to explain all this.

So in clarification, where I suggested:

"CGNAT means that Alice and Bob have no control over the Router closest to the internet.

Bob may think that his IP is 216.231.38.54 but the real IP is 2.8.91.205 and it is shared with other customers?"

Was that true for my example?

Am I right in thinking, from your example there could be even more routers between the client and the internet under CGNAT?

Again, many thanks

On 5/22/2017 at 11:25 AM, NanLaew said:

On 5/22/2017 at 10:49 AM, cyberfarang said:

... she was sacked for bringing the medical profession into ill repute.

Ummm... she resigned.

Perhaps:

Constructive dismissal?

In Thailand:

Constructive dismissal refers to a situation where the employer does not actually terminate the employee’s employment, but the employer’s conduct towards the employee is so bad that the employee feels that he or she has no choice but to resign.

The employer’s conduct may also amount to a material breach of the employment contract.

The employee may then file a claim for unfair dismissal and demand compensation from the employer.

The private enterprise has been very clever and avoided paying severance costs and achieved an immediate dismissal!

Thai Law states:

 The notice period has to amount to at least one pay period, does not have to be longer than three months and takes effect only at the next pay day.

The agreement may be terminated immediately if the employer pays the salary that could have been earned during the days of notice.
Example: the employee is dismissed on the 25th of January and is usually paid on the 30th day of each month. The term of notice will start on January 30 and end on February 28.

Example: the employee is dismissed on Monday the 18th and is paid every Monday. The term of notice will amount to seven days starting as from Monday the 25th.

Why do I mention this?

Well I was made redundant in the 80's and it's not a nice feeling to lose your job.

Especially if slightly under a cloud like in this case.....

But, go on then, treat it like a joke.....Expletives deleted!!!!

3 hours ago, RichCor said:

 

If your connection is being provided under a provider CGNAT they will issue your router a Reserved IP Address [link goes to Wikipedia] somewhere in the 10.0.0.0 – 10.255.255.255; 100.64.0.0 – 100.127.255.255; or 172.16.0.0 – 172.31.255.255, but your actual Internet-facing IP address will be that of the common CGNAT router (an IP address being shared by many many other users from the same provider). 

 

Almost every IP address issued by a mobile Internet provider will be CGNAT.

Some wired Internet Service Providers also have their customers on CGNAT, though in many cases you can request the account be set to not use CGNAT and provide your router with a direct Internet-facing IP address if you can provide a reason for needing it (like having IP Cameras on your connection that need the ability to open a port).

 

 

As for sites reporting your location, you'd be lucky if they report the correct country as they generally all use the records filed by the ISP (who knows how long ago they did that) who self-reported the physical location where the IP address range would be put into use (so usually they report the address of their Network Operations Center).

 

GOOGLE actually can tell you the exact location as they cross reference and store IP vs GPS vs fixed-hardware MAC addresses + browser tokens whenever possible. So if you use any Google Services they will have a really good idea of where you actually are even without GPS working on your connected device.

Thanks for that excellent explanation (Wot, No Typos LOL)

Sorry that CGNAT has derailed the OP somewhat but at least, this important subject is now being aired and, hopefully, folk with the inability to open ports can get it sorted.

Is the picture below a reasonable overview of what it means to the consumer?

CGNAT means that Alice and Bob have no control over the Router closest to the internet.

Bob may think that his IP is 216.231.38.54 but the real IP is 2.8.91.205 and it is shared with other customers?

Also, just because someone seems to always get the same IP address, it doesn't always mean they have a "Fixed IP address".

You seem to be very knowledgeable on this subject and I would really appreciate clarification.

Networks were never my strong points.

(I excell in bad typing and getting things wrong LOL)

21 minutes ago, adammike said:

Will it work if I buy a lottery ticket online during the blue/blood/eclipse and what will be the most auspicious time to buy a ticket for the lottery back home in the Netherlands?

Hee hee.

However, this link may help you, but remember the whole thing starts a bit earlier, see the link in the OP.

https://www.timeanddate.com/moon/phases/@2753919

The Moon Is About To Do Something It Hasn't Done In More Than 150 Years

You can call it whatever—a purple moon, a blue red moon or a blood moon—

but on 31^st Jan, the moon will be a special and you don’t want to miss.

Three distinct astronomic events will happen concurrently that night,

resulting in what some are referring it as a super blue blood moon eclipse.

See the video in this link:

http://www.physics-astronomy.com/2018/01/the-moon-is-about-to-do-something-it.html#.Wm1X1OfLhhE

So, a bit after 8 in the evening, we should start to see it develop?

Moon Phases for Bangkok, 25 Jan 2018 – 16 Feb 2018

First Quarter	Full Moon	Third Quarter	New Moon
25 January 05:20	31 January 20:26 Blue Moon	7 February 22:53	16 February 04:05

14 hours ago, billd766 said:

19 hours ago, laislica said:

Hurt my arm this morning and had to go to hospital for an x-ray, as I was sitting waiting to be seen,

the lad next to me says,

" Fair fae yer honest sonsieface! Great chieftain o' the puddin race!!"

I was like, eh?!?!.

I turned my head round to the the lady sat on my other side,

she said, " ! Wee, sleekit, cow'rin, tim'rous beastie, O, what a panic's in thy breastie!".

I said to the next doctor walking past , "here mate is this the psychiatric ward?"

 

 

He says .......
.
"no sorry this is the burns unit"

 

That was 'orriboil.

 

Worth at least 4 stars though.

Thanks for that.

I do try to find a Worst Joke Ever.

My Mum said I was very trying at times.

She knew me well!

49 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

Most speed test servers say I am in Khon Kaen, just clicking on My IP tells me I'm in Bangkok, but in fact I'm near Pattaya.

 

In all cases I see the same IP address

 

Regarding forwarding ports, not so long a go I needed to open port 62062, and a port check tool told me the port was closed.

 

However the application that uses that port, sort of torrent application, works without problems.

As I mentioned, it's not important where a database thinks you ar.....

When you use an torrent client, even with the ports not especially opened for that particular client, the client will still find seeders locally.

However, if the torrent you want is not well supported and you only have local connections, no remote connections, it might take ages to complete the download.

In Spain, I moved from a 15 Mbit ADSL to 50Mbit fiber and downloads were much faster but the port was not opened for my client.

After the ISP moved me from CGNET and the port was opened, every torrent got Remote connections and the downloads were generally completed faster and the whole of my network bandwidth was used.

Previously, on poorly seeded torrents, it took ages, but if yours is working, why worry?

2 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

photo caption:

 

"I thought of this all by myself."

And he also thought, whilst rubbing his hands, All those lovely 2,000Baht fines will be Mine, all Mine!

I hope he will write to all those registered as staying in his area to advise them of this?

31 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

How do you find out to be behind a CGNAT?

 

I ask because I have a fixed IP for some time, and for a reason I don't know about, but it seems my IP is in Khon Kaen which is probably 6 - 700 km from where I live.

If you look at an internet speed test, it will probably show you where your server is, I am not sure.

https://www.whatismybrowser.com/faq/location-detection-is-wrong

If it's wrong, one suggestion I saw was: if you have a smartphone or other device with GPS, make sure it's on your wifi, and start using it for a little while with Google Maps. I expect that that might start the process of Google collecting enough information to be like 'wait a second... that IP is somewhere else'. 

How do you find out to be behind a CGNAT?

I don't know, this is Thailand, but I asked the tech support for my ISP.

CGNAT is a way of having more IP addresses as for as I know.

If you are trying to PortForward and have admin access to the router and all settings are correct but the ports are not open, would that seem like you are not directly connected to the internet?
Perhaps there could be a middlebox between you and the internet?

I mentioned CGNET in the original post but I meant CGNAT, and because my ISP had connected me (and many others it seemed) via that system and I was unable to set the ports open that I needed.

I spent ages checking my modem setup and using Google to read forums and nothing helped .

Even the professional company didn't mention CGNAT! They wanted remote access to my computer but clearly, the problem was not with my setup but with the connection type and only the ISP could have control over that.

Also, I'd never heard of it so I had no idea that there could be a problem there.

PS another little known tricks with computers can be found here.

15 minutes ago, Pib said:

Probably a typo...but it's CGNAT (Commercial Grade NAT).

Yep, again, Sorry (it's dark in ere LOL)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT

PS

Please listen to what I mean, not what I say LOL

22 minutes ago, Argus Tuft said:

 

Please explain what is 5G wifi as mentioned in your post?

Oops, I meant 3G and 4G.

Thanks for pointing that out....

On 1/25/2018 at 7:17 PM, Pib said:

Why don't you want to use a Wifi router.  The fiber internet line comes through the wall at one point just enough to connect to the provided Wifi router....then you have wireless internet throughout your condo.

Then that modem (if it's the right one) can give you a 5G WiFi as well as a 4G WiFi channel.

So the latest tablets and phones etc that can use 5G can connect with 5G and the older ones use the 4G.

I have a modest fibre set up in Spain, 50 Megabits up and down with the ZTE  F680 modem.

Although I could access the modem with an Admin account and password (1234/1234) and could create a static IP and open ports as I wanted (PortForward), but the ports were not open.

The online company PortForward were unable to help me (So I eventually got my money back).

I discovered that I was on CGNET so effectively, there was another router between my router and the internet (a middlebox) and I could not open ports on it!
My ISP moved me out of CGNET and all is well.

Here is a PDF I made of the Admin account on the F680, personal details obliterated.

ZTE F680 Modem-Router MenusNoPersonalData.pdf

In Thailand I have 3BB ADSL 15 Mbits down and about 70 Kbits up and also on CGNET, but controlling ports etc is not important to me here.

so I've made no effort to get it moved.

37 minutes ago, theoldgit said:

As somebody who has responded to numerous MP's letters, as well as those from Ministers and indeed royalty, in the days before correspondance units, I can confirm that rasg's comment is spot on.

Some MP's may write a generic letter which will go to the correspondence unit, who will in turn draft a generic response for the Immigration Minister to sign, if your MP is a Minister then it might be signed off by the Home Secretary.
Most MP's will not become involved unless they are satisfied that there has been a clear breach of Immigration Rules, this sort of letter is very rare, I'm not sure that I've ever seen one.
In aswer to your question, Ministers decide on the policy, the Civil Servants put that policy into Acts, Operational Instructions or Guidlines and Operational Staff work to these, MP's have no sway over the decision making process.
As to what are they there for? good question. 

Of course I understand it's a long shot, but if many people constantly send letters and they constantly have to send their draft letters,

perhaps, eventually they may decide to do something about it to stop themselves being pestered (lobbied) by us?

Clearly they respond to professional lobbying!

Our problem is that we are not organised.

Perhaps there are other forums who might consider a strategy like this?

So what if it didn't work before, why not keep trying?

Why accept defeat?

Shouldn't we have rights?

Sure, they shrug us off because we are a small group, but why stay quiet and insignificant?

Let's organise and create a stink!

As CJ said, We didn't get here by bending over and taking it!

I'm now 76 and only part time in Thailand and I shall probably spend even less time as the years roll on.

The task of getting organised should be on the shoulders of younger people/hust retired and have the time and energy to do this work.

Like a Union, there would necessarily be some monthly or annual subs to pay for professional advisors if necessary.

and, and, and.

I'm sure you know what I mean.

Now if I were 10 years younger, I'd be up for it.....

41 minutes ago, Once Bitten said:

I generally don't get involved in this lemon growing malarkey , and spend my valuable time reading the thaivisa posts and riding my motorbike Oh and of course looking after any BBQing that needs to be done  and as for asking her indoors why she let this '' rust '' problem start in the first place , that would take several large Chang beers to build up the courage  

How many beers to try this? 

Now this may work with some wives, (sometimes?).

This trail guide remains incredibly calm and manages to halt a charging elephant in South Africa.

The video was filmed at Kruger National park, and shows the elephant being stopped in its tracks.

"The elephant encounter is an authentic example of how calm energy can influence the behaviour of wild animals,"

Alan McSmith told Newsflare. "Most trail guides who have seen the video admit that they may have shot the elephant in self-defence, it was that close."

"The footage is a testament to elephant's intelligence and complex behavior and shows how humans and animals can connect on a meaningful level,"

he added. "Therefore, ultimately, the video is about the elephant and not me."

'Erector - with a little imagination, it's IDEAL' 1982

Hmmmm, didn't need one then, but now????

Maybe not so much hydraulics but dry-bol-ix LOL

3 hours ago, Russell17au said:

Hi, I do not know where you are in Thailand but I went through this last September.

Firstly make sure you have your passport and divorce papers with you and go to the New Zealand Embassy, 87 M Thai Tower, 14th Floor, All Seasons Place, Wireless Rd, Lumpini, Pathum Wan, Bangkok and get your Affirmation of Free to Marry then go to Mahatun Plaza to a shop called Language Express and they will translate your document into Thai and take it to MFA for certification and then they will mail the documents to you and that will take about 3-4 days. You could possibly walk from the embassy to Language Express it is a distance of about half a kilometre (I will try and post a map for you). I think it cost me 1,900baht doing it this way and it saved me lodging the papers to be translated and then going back the following day to collect them the going across to MFA and waiting around there. I drove from Khon Kaen to the Australian Embassy got my certificate took it to Language Express and left Bangkok and was back in Khon Kaen that night. No second trips or overnight stay in Bangkok.

 

Excellent story.

5 Years ago, we went to the Brit Embassy to do the Affirmation, went across the road to a translator.

He said, give me lots of Baht, go for lunch and we will collect you later

We'd about finished lunch and a guy turned up and drove us to the Amphor.

(He acted as the translator for me) and we were married.

No queuing, just like that, amazing Thailand.

We gave the guy one of the marriage certs and a few days later, the translated copies and original arrived in the post.

It was a tad expensive but for us, it was worth it.

Job done, just like that and what a surprise for friends, family and us of course LOL

Yes, it's not expensive if you do everything yourself, but all that crisscrossing a city in taxis etc. Not for me thanks.

If in Bangkok, the cheap translation service is in the MFA I think?

A one stop shop?

As far as I know, the happy couple can choose the Amphor where they will marry, so why not choose a friendly one?

There are a few tips on this thread LOL

1 hour ago, rasg said:

Not much point as an MP has no sway at all over the decision making process. I agree that it's a good idea but I doubt it would make much difference.

 

I don't think you'd have the numbers necessary to force anything. When most journalists don't understand the rules themselves to write or talk about them what chance for the public unless they have been in the same situation?

 

OK, that's your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Do others feel the same - Oh the idea might not work, so let's not try?

Nothing ventured, nothing gained......

Interesting that you think this:-  "Not much point as an MP has no sway at all over the decision making process."

Who does then?

What are they there for?

6 hours ago, Cyclone88 said:

I've never seen lemons like that before . Since when have lemons been round and green? 

Before they are fully grown and ripe.

25 minutes ago, wombat said:

failing all that, breath moisture on a tissue is a good place to start the paperwork.

 

Sorry guys, you seem to have got the wrong page?
Is this the one you wanted:-

6 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

Largely, the paper required is of the folding kind and looks Brown and has the number 1000 on it.

1 hour ago, catman20 said:

sanity certificate is a must as has been pointed out many times.

Yesterday my wife bought some oranges at the local Wat Market.

They look like they came from a proper company rather than a small local grower.

They look similar to what is happening to your wife's lemons.

Hope it helps.

PS

I listened to the link and from what I heard, what's happening to your lemons has been ongoing for a long time.

So, why didn't she spray at the early stage? (Only kidding LOL)