Mudcrab

This is an expat forum about Thailand. OF COURSE we're going to comment on Thai matters. Duh. DOUBLE DUH!

Its not a discussion about Thai matters at all.

It is a discussion on whether posters here believe gay marriage should be legal in Thailand.

If there were some proposals from the Thai government then it would be a Thai matter. To my knowledge there are not.

In a previous post you mentioned it was a discussion about legal matters. It is not. It is a discussion about illegal matters.

Unfortunately most, if not all, of the gay marriage proponents posting here will brook no alternative view - either the gay way or the highway.

Any comments that do not fit their narrow minded one issue agenda results in the poster being called homophobic, a bigot or that any matter they mention has proven to be debunked.

Same old defence by attack tactics.

Don't be mislead by a vote buying tactic by certain politicians to support and indeed legalise gay marriage - they are not necessarily your friends.

What is it with the gay marriage thing anyway?

In a truly liberal society such as Australia, two people in a genuine, ongoing relationship have exactly the same rights as a married couple.

My neighbours did anyway. They owned their house together, recognised each others wishes in their will and when they retired they actually got more money on the pension as two single people than a "married" couple.

While I understand gay marriage is an emotive subject for many gay people the reality in the general voting public is somewhat different in my view.

Most people I know couldn't care less one way or the other. They have other things that have a higher priority in their lives.

Try wearing them on your face instead of your hat.

Nana Plaza....great architecture.

Yes, but it's clear that Thailand is going to go with the pussyfooting option first -- legalizing same sex civil unions. Probably within the next 5 or 10 years.

If homosexual "marriage" is ever made legal in Thailand, what will become of the ladyboys? Will they start to marry each other?

Would homosexuals from other countries flock to Thailand and marry the LBs? That would be good for the Thai economy.

The LBs with the operation would be in big demand from the ones without, they could have it both ways, and then there will be a lot of fighting on Soi 4.

You're just trying to make this sober subject a sleazy prurient sex obsessed subject.

This is a serious matter for GLBT people but to you it's a big joke.

The answer OBVIOUSLY is that legalizing SAME SEX marriage would mean any two adults of any official gender (and any psychological gender as with transgender people their actual self perceived gender may be different than their official I.D. card gender) may be allowed to marry.

Breaking this down:

Any two adult males

Any two adult females

One adult male and one adult female

Transgender people easily included above as EVERYONE has a legal I.D. gender (whether they agree with it or not).

Also yes, sure, some transgender people might marry each other if that's what they want to do.

If both of their I.D. cards said male it would technically be a "same sex" marriage.

If one had changed their I.D. card to female (not yet possible in Thailand from what I understand) then it would be technically be an opposite sex marriage.

As far visas and foreigners ... that's up to the Thai government whether to treat same sex marriages equally to opposite sex marriages in regards to immigration matters. Another case of full equality vs. potential equality with conditions. All possible with laws.

People really need to think this through or they well be unintended consequences.

Breaking this down:

Any two adult males...........two brothers or father and son...grandfather and grandson?

Any two adult females.........similar to above

One adult male and one adult female.......father and daughter....grandfather and granddaughter? This is particularly worrying. Many societies recognised the dangers of inbreeding many,many generations ago and made it taboo.

Is the suggestion now to allow this?

Why not push for polygamy as well......keep the Muslims/Mormons and others happy as well.

If we need to keep all minority groups happy why not drop the age of consent and keep the pedophiles happy as well?

It is always possible to break the law. That 20000 is chump change compared to what it will truly cost. Somewhere on TV they're talking about 50 satang whores.

My son phoned me once from somewhere on Earth. Said, Dad they have tutes here for .50 cents. I said, run. There is no such thing .

Son we don't do that.

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How many times do we have to tell you to keep the money offshore. The system is rigged against you here in every way. Like in a casino the longer you play you will see the odds in house favor over time.

Some people just dont get it or are too stubborn to learn from the mistakes of others!

You can tell me as many times as you like.

I will continue to live my own life free of the nervous nellies, with my Thai wife in Thailand and elsewhere as I see fit..

I lost a damn site more in the west than I ever will in Thailand.

My money and I will do what I damn well like with it.

Did you ever see a tow bar on the back of a hearse?

Stop counting the dollars and start smelling the roses.

I am curious if you will still be saying that down the line if your deal goes South......

Nothing wrong with insurance!

Insurance against what?

Poor personal decisions?

Just wear the loss.

We all die someday.

Want to be the richest corpse in the graveyard?

Get to be 95 and brag "I told you so"?

No doubt your Mum or Dad or some other wise person told you money wasn't everything ...and when you have had a life changing event....you will reflect on this.

Sure it is just look how Thai government is treating foreigner citizens :

Land lease max a poorly 30 years.(why we cant own a one rai plot in our name?)

Business for foreigners we can only own 49% of our business in Thailand while we invest 100%.(Thai shareholders control ur business)

If we marry a Thai in Thailand then we remain an alien here..

If we marry a thai in Europe she becomes a European.

That how they serve u here ! Its THEM and us.

Do you own a 1 rai block of land in the old country?

Why pay 100% of the capital in a business when you are only required to pay 49%...have you ever owned a business..anywhere?

What passport is a European passport?

Maybe its more US and them?

I sincerely hope you are not one of the majority of whining Europeans complaining how foreigners come to MY country etc etc etc.

At least the Asians (and it isn't restricted to Thailand by any measure) who want to control their future...they have looked and learned from the disasters in the West.

Be thankful you are welcome here under such onerous conditions.

Sure it is just look how Thai government is treating foreigner citizens :

Land lease max a poorly 30 years.(why we cant own a one rai plot in our name?)

Business for foreigners we can only own 49% of our business in Thailand while we invest 100%.(Thai shareholders control ur business)

If we marry a Thai in Thailand then we remain an alien here..

If we marry a thai in Europe she becomes a European.

That how they serve u here ! Its THEM and us.

Them's the rules...deal with it.

And I bet if most western countries had the chance to impose the same restrictions they would do with great enthusiasm seeing how well their experiment turned out.

I wouldn't want to keep more money in this country than I think I might need for the next month (an emergency event I mean). HK or Singapore would be a better bet, even if it means no interest.

Ahh Shiver.....still looking for a spine to run up?

How many times do we have to tell you to keep the money offshore. The system is rigged against you here in every way. Like in a casino the longer you play you will see the odds in house favor over time.

Some people just dont get it or are too stubborn to learn from the mistakes of others!

You can tell me as many times as you like.

I will continue to live my own life free of the nervous nellies, with my Thai wife in Thailand and elsewhere as I see fit..

I lost a damn site more in the west than I ever will in Thailand.

My money and I will do what I damn well like with it.

Did you ever see a tow bar on the back of a hearse?

Stop counting the dollars and start smelling the roses.

TBL...please share the story of why this necessary...I'm sure many members will be interested....

All my stuff is in the top drawer of the dressing table in the bedroom. Never had a problem.

One thing that needs to be considered before depositing 800k in a Thai bank account is the interest eaned and the security of the funds.

I am an Australian living here on a retirement visa and it is better for me to have my cash invested in Australia at about 3% and the interest contributes to the 65k per month income requirement.

Sure, I have to go to my embassy in BKK annually and pay the thieves 800THB for the one page declaration document in which I clearly (and truthfully) state my income exceeds the 65k per month plus I also have more than the $800k in assets (effectively doubling up on the Thai requirements) and that seems acceptable to Thai Immigration........ For now. Ha ha!

Worst thing is I am forced to spend the night in BKK and it's horrible. Rather, my head is horrible, the next day.

Good luck OP.

Since when has having 800k in assets been a consideration when applying for an extension?

If your getting 200,00 a month...why not wait for a couple of months and show the 400,000...might save a lot of stress

The problem here is potentially applicants for extensions can be refused for something entirely outside their control.

Absolutely. It is more likely that reasonableness will prevail; you'd hope anyway.

Yet, that might only be achieved after 2 or 3 visits to the office. Now, that is all right for someone like me that lives a 1km from Immigration, but someone living 5okm or more might be severely inconvenienced.

Presumably you chose to live many thousands of km from "home", so how can a mere 50km cause severe inconvenience? Once a year?

In other news..Thailand announces that foreigners can own house and land.......in one hundred years.

So they are going to toss me out and leave me homeless when I'm a hundred and sixty.....heartless sods!

The same old garbage and urban myths get peddled yet again.

I was a car behind what is called a car truck..a baht bus as is called in pattaya..today. A utlility with a covered back. Well he ran off the road of me, hit a tree stump and totally lost it. End over end. There were 12 or 14 older people in the vehicle plus one young girl..a granddaughter is my guess. Four people through the windscreen.

Did what I could but jeezus it wasn't a good day.

Many ......probaby 8 rescue trucks plus the cops....nobody blamed the farang in this instance.....many people thanked me for helping. I hope nobody died post transport to hospital although I suspect one old lady was in a very bad way..

That you stopped, helped and did what you could is testament to your character... that you were thanked by the people around you is testament that the idea of foreigners are always to be blamed is just bar stool paranoia.

Thanks mate....this stuff happens so fast and when you least expect it....you do what you can for fellow human beings.

I should add that the accident happened near Surin in Isaan..not Bangkok or pattaya

As an update to this, sadly the driver passed away in hospital.

Should makes laws to restrict Songkran Water festivities to within the grounds of Temples and ban them from the road. I dont see any sense in any of it. Something needs to be done.....cannstart with the importance of human life.

You are part of the problem....not the solution.

I spent a wonderful morning watching my wife and her sisters and brothers doing the songrkran thing to mum (sadly dad has passed) and it was beautiful. Truly something the west could learn from.(and if you don't understand it is about thanking Mum for looking after me when I was little and couldn't look after myself) Then Her sons did the same to the my lady....her mother. It is a really nice ceremony to experience.

I have no sympathies for these things. Over the last three days I had to suffer being cooped in my condo at Onnut. I can see from my windows....these things driving in pickups laden with tons of people and water and throwing things aimlessly. There seems to be more tha usual number of teens on bikes without helmets merely racing up and down the roads and sois, making screeking sounds with their bikes. I can even see people smoking yaba and weeds from my window by the side of the road and these things rent sound systems that have been running from 7am to 11 pm the last three days at full blasts. There seem to be no police around ...totally lawless. All the dumb police tend to be concentrated at Silom and Khao San whereas the rest of Bangkok is being ruled by the ruthless mobs.Two days ago, we had a drunk neighbour banging everyones doors at 3am in the morning. Fortunately he aslo beat up a security guard who was trying to calm him down, hence the police was called in and he was taken away. (for good I hope). I should have taken a trip overseas during these period.

I only wish the worst for these things and one thing I have learnt....never help the underclasses, they are beyond salvation!

Nick...sounds about time you left Thailand...or a least moved to a better neighbourhood...living with al those underclass people.

Pardon my ignorance...what is a credit default swap? In the context of a simple car loan?

The same old garbage and urban myths get peddled yet again.

I was a car behind what is called a car truck..a baht bus as is called in pattaya..today. A utlility with a covered back. Well he ran off the road of me, hit a tree stump and totally lost it. End over end. There were 12 or 14 older people in the vehicle plus one young girl..a granddaughter is my guess. Four people through the windscreen.

Did what I could but jeezus it wasn't a good day.

Many ......probaby 8 rescue trucks plus the cops....nobody blamed the farang in this instance.....many people thanked me for helping. I hope nobody died post transport to hospital although I suspect one old lady was in a very bad way..

That you stopped, helped and did what you could is testament to your character... that you were thanked by the people around you is testament that the idea of foreigners are always to be blamed is just bar stool paranoia.

Thanks mate....this stuff happens so fast and when you least expect it....you do what you can for fellow human beings.

I should add that the accident happened near Surin in Isaan..not Bangkok or pattaya

The same old garbage and urban myths get peddled yet again.

I was a car behind what is called a car truck..a baht bus as is called in pattaya..today. A utlility with a covered back. Well he ran off the road of me, hit a tree stump and totally lost it. End over end. There were 12 or 14 older people in the vehicle plus one young girl..a granddaughter is my guess. Four people through the windscreen.

Did what I could but jeezus it wasn't a good day.

Many ......probaby 8 rescue trucks plus the cops....nobody blamed the farang in this instance.....many people thanked me for helping. I hope nobody died post transport to hospital although I suspect one old lady was in a very bad way..

That you stopped, helped and did what you could is testament to your character... that you were thanked by the people around you is testament that the idea of foreigners are always to be blamed is just bar stool paranoia.

Thanks mate....this stuff happens so fast and when you least expect it....you do what you can for fellow human beings.

The same old garbage and urban myths get peddled yet again.

I was a car behind what is called a car truck..a baht bus as is called in pattaya..today. A utlility with a covered back. Well he ran off the road of me, hit a tree stump and totally lost it. End over end. There were 12 or 14 older people in the vehicle plus one young girl..a granddaughter is my guess. Four people through the windscreen.

Did what I could but jeezus it wasn't a good day.

Many ......probaby 8 rescue trucks plus the cops....nobody blamed the farang in this instance.....many people thanked me for helping. I hope nobody died post transport to hospital although I suspect one old lady was in a very bad way..

I should add the police were very professional, taking statements etc from the wife and I, measuring the road etc etc to try and gain evidence for whatever proceedings may follow.

I didn't like the bit about dragging people out of the vehicle not knowing what injuries they had...and how they could be exacerbated....but when in Rome.

Was impressed with the rescue teams though. Not paramedics by any stretch of the imagination but has neck braces etc and knew how to use them. Saw one patient administered an IV.

Sorry..I guess I drifted off topic somewhat....but i have had an exciting day I could do without.

back on topic.....kill a Songkraner... or anyone else while in charge of a motor vehicle....then you will pay in one way or another for the rest of your life.