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4 hours ago, pegman said:

Minor International, the owner of Royal Garden Mall also owns a. 50% stake in corporate The Coffee. Club. It may be behind the new stores.

I guess that is why the branch in that mall is still open in a prime location.   Doubt it could survive paying rent there.

Thailand is not a place for beef eaters....full stop!   Just don't bother unless you are at some place that specializes in imported beef.

If you like Thai barbeque buffets we always go to the one near the bus station and across the street on Pattaya Nua.  Great value at 199 baht and lots of variety.  

It is called Nai Por.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g293919-d4005864-Reviews-NAI_POR_Inter_Buffet-Pattaya_Chonburi_Province.html

I have no reason to not believe this person if they told me that getting a doctor to explain the results was extra. It was some sort of special deal. No doctor explaining the results was probably why the price was so good.

Anyways, doesn't really affect my decision for dental work which is probably it's own department. I would give them a shot if they did sedation and the price was better than BPH.

I never did hear back from Gavin at Phyathai Sriratch Hospital.

Someone I know said they went there once for some special deal they had on some health check. They said they weren't too happy when they were told that getting a doctor to explain the results would be extra. Something that probably should have been mentioned in the offer.

They said they weren't too impressed with the place. That it seemed kind of run down and dirty. Not the sort of place that made you feel very confident about their services.

That's just one persons opinion from one visit. They readily admit they are jaded about it because of the hidden fee BS they experienced.

Is that normal to charge extra for getting a doctor to explain test results in Thailand? I would have assumed that is always included when you go to a hospital.

LOL. The reason many went to PIH was because of that dentist. Because she did a great job and was very friendly. Even sang while she worked. It wasn't because she was cute. She did a great job. She's upcountry now taking care of her parents.

Another dentist that use to work there has left and has his own office. Right near the Bangkok Bank branch on North Pattaya road, a few hundred meters East of the roundabout, North side. He is fantastic.

Ok yes I remember now people talking about her singing. From what I recall she was also attractive according to them. I have never seen her myself. Again, the reason I remember is because I always thought and still think that is a very dumb selection criteria for a dentist. To pay top dollar for the priviledge as well. Singing not quite as dumb if it helps calm you down a bit.

No. Dr Sonram with Pro Dent. I'd probably bet he doesn't do IV sedation either.

If you do go to Bangkok, these guys are one of the best:

http://www.dentalhospitalbangkok.com/

I have been to that place in Bkk before several years ago. I think I just went for a cleaning. It was ok if not a little on the expensive side for just a cleaning. I prefer the more friendly cozy dental clinic environment but maybe that's just me.

I would imagine BPH would be the same as the dental hospitals in that respect. Again, it looks like I don't have much choice if I need IV sedation

LOL. The reason many went to PIH was because of that dentist. Because she did a great job and was very friendly. Even sang while she worked. It wasn't because she was cute. She did a great job. She's upcountry now taking care of her parents.

Another dentist that use to work there has left and has his own office. Right near the Bangkok Bank branch on North Pattaya road, a few hundred meters East of the roundabout, North side. He is fantastic.

Are you talking about Dr. Tapasit or one of the other Dentists at the following link? A few good reviews on tripadvisor. He is US trained at Georgetown. Couple other US trained dentists there as well. I plan to check them out for some crown work but they don't do sedation as far as I know.

http://studiosmilethailand.com/

I'm surprised. Gavin normally replies very quickly. It's a long weekend, he might be off.

You can also just call the dental office there. They'd be able to tell you.

You might also try Pattaya International Hospital. Will probably be cheaper than BPH.

Yes I had a look at their website but no mention of sedation. I know they are quite expenive there as well. I would not be surprised if it was similar prices to BPH.

A lot of guys used to go there because the female dentist was apparenly very attractive and did a good job....in that order. I don't think she is there anymore though. I will NEVER understand why people would think looks would be an important criteria for selecting a dentist. I couldn't care less what the dentist or the staff look like. I am not going there looking for a date. It will have absolutely no effect on my experience. How good they are at their job is all that matters.

2 more things, OP:

1) I have used Pattaya Memorial Dental Clinic for smaller issues during my holidays and was happy about it, so might be worth having an interview there, since being inside the hospital, they might be able to do the IV sedeation

2) You might ask the Mod's to move it to health forum, since there, you might get more info on this special question.

My take on Pattaya Memorial Hospital dental clinic is that they don't do anything more than most standalone dental clinics. From what I have read they are rather expensive for what you get compared to most dental clinics. Absolutely no mention of Sedation which almost always means they don't do it.

I haven't heard back from Gavin at Phyathai Sriratch Hospital yet which probably means they don't do it either. I'm ok with going to Bangkok Pattaya hospital if I have to. When it comes to things like this I will pay whatever I have to and will not go out of my way very far to try save a few baht. I know if I go to BPH I WILL pay top dollar. In this case where it doesn't look like any other hospitals outside of Bangkok do it I probably don't have much choice.

I understood that they were just different levels of the same thing:

http://www.webmd.com/oral-health/sedation-dentistry-can-you-really-relax-in-the-dentists-chair#1

I've had general anaesthesia twice (not for dentistry) and both times it was administered by IV injection.

Yes, general anesthesia and IV Sedation are both administered by IV. However, they are not the same thing. General anesthesia makes you unconsious and not capable of perceiving pain. IV Sedation does not make you unconsious and therefore you are still capable of perceiving pain. However, it can effectively lower your pain threshold (ie. you just don't care as much)

If you want more specifics, IV Sedation typically uses Midazolam which is a short-acting central nervous system depressant of the benzodiazepine class but does not require monitoring by an anethesiologist. General anethesia usually requires an anethesiologist to monitor you as far as I know. I believe the most common drug they use is Propofol which is not a benzodiazepine class drug.

IV Sedation is not the same as general anesthesia. You are still consious with IV Sedation but you don't remember much afterwards. So you can respond to commands to open your mouth and move your head. That is why they also still numb you with local anesthesia.

General anesthesia doesn't require numbing because it knocks you out but it is not common to use that for dentistry. IV Sedation is becoming fairly common for dentistry...at least in the west. Doesn't seem to be in Thailand.

IV sedation is also not like laughing gas or an anxiety pill. It is a deeper level of sedation.

Gavin will let you know what can be done....

http://www.phyathai-sriracha.com/pyt_jp/department/international/

Thank you for the link. I will definitely be contacting him to see what he says.

I'd contact Gavin at Phyathai hospital in Sri Racha. I had a bunch of work done there. Zero pain. Good prices. And excellent help by Gavin to get it all setup, with price quotes, etc.

I read about Phayathai Sri Racha hospital which I would consider if they did IV sedation dentistry. Not clear to me if they do. It doesn't matter if you did not feel pain just with local anesthetic. I absolutely positively need IV sedation + local anesthetic.

If I didn't need IV sedation I already know a couple highly recommended dental clinics in Pattaya for pain free local anesthetic procedures.

I need a tooth extracted and eventually an implant. My periodontist says I will need a bone graft after the extraction and then a few months later an implant after the bone is built up.

I tried getting the tooth extracted under local anesthetic but it was too much pain and they had to stop. They tried Ativan for the anxiety but that didn't help with the pain. So I need deep IV sedation + local anesthetic.

Is Bangkok Pattaya Hospital my only option in the Pattaya area for IV sedation dentistry? If I can't get anyone to be with me after (that I trust) can I maybe get a hospital bed for half a day? I know they won't let you walk off on your own after sedation...at least not if they are responsible physicans.

I read on another threat that it's about 10k baht for the sedation but that thread was a few years old. Anyone have recent pricing for sedation, extraction, bone graft, implants etc. Pricing for things like root canals and crowns will help. I can just interpolate from there.

I will pay whatever it takes. For IV sedation dentistry I am prepared to suffer some sticker shock and probably don't have much choice in this case.

I wonder who owns a nice strip of beach front land on Puek tian beach, or a nice resort there?

Personally i cannot see many of Pattaya regular holiday goers wanting to make the trip across. So far Petchburi, Chaam and Hua Hin are still predominantly Thai tourist destinations. There will be some who would make the journey, probably more those living in Pattaya looking to have a different option to driving their, but not sure there would be enough continual demand to make it viable long term.

Never been but I think there are a good number of expats living there. Supposedly a lot quieter and laid back compared to Pattaya which may suit some people. Sounds like the basic idea is to get expats in Pattaya to spread some of that sweet foreign currency love on Hua Hin. So I can see the motivation.

There are a good number but nowhere near the concentrations of Pattaya. Chaam and Hua Hin are all fairly well spread out and stretch over a decent area, and back inland.

As someone alluded to earlier in the thread, the last thing Hua Hin needs is it to go the way of Pattaya, which it certainly already is in the sois around the Hilton and Centara. When i say Hua Hin needs, i am speaking for people who enjoy a quiet beach side holiday without all that is associated with Pattaya nightlife, Thai and foreigners alike. I am sure there are many landowners, bar owners, police, military who would be all to happy to welcome that scene.

I don't see anywhere in Thailand rushing to build up a girly scene if that is what you mean. From what I can tell they are tolerant of what exists for now but don't want to see any more of it anywhere else. Never heard of much of that going on in Hua Hin. Will probably stay that way.

I wonder who owns a nice strip of beach front land on Puek tian beach, or a nice resort there?

Personally i cannot see many of Pattaya regular holiday goers wanting to make the trip across. So far Petchburi, Chaam and Hua Hin are still predominantly Thai tourist destinations. There will be some who would make the journey, probably more those living in Pattaya looking to have a different option to driving their, but not sure there would be enough continual demand to make it viable long term.

Never been but I think there are a good number of expats living there. Supposedly a lot quieter and laid back compared to Pattaya which may suit some people. Sounds like the basic idea is to get expats/tourists in Pattaya to spread some of that sweet foreign currency love on Hua Hin. The Thai economy depends on tourism so I can see the motivation behind this.

They stated it takes 6 - 7 hours to get from Pattaya to Hua Hin. I have taken a bus from Pattaya to Bangkok and it takes a little more than 1 hour, and less time at night. I have taken a bus from Bangkok to Hua Hin, and that takes about 3.5 hours with less time at night. Both modes of travel have a similar degree of danger, but some people get sea sick more than others. Cheers and be well.

Pretty sure It's more than an hour to just about anywhere in BKK by bus. Takes 1hr 45min just to the airport by bus. Haven't taken the BKK bus in awhile but I think it's over 2 hours to Ekamai.

I would use it if it were quick enough and convenient enough. However, it will not be either of those things. 3hours is not very quick. I'm guessing there would only be 2 sailings a day at best.

Probably won't be all that inexpensive compared to alternatives either.

I'm guessing she was on drugs. Yabba maybe.

Second road is pretty bad, perhaps I am behind the times a little as I avoid it for that reason. Two or so weeks ago I got a good jolt on the bike caused by a drain cover.....

Pattaya traffic situation and roads are failing fast, large scale underinvestment and planning, idiotic projects like pedestrian lights and widening of Beach Rd to accommodate market stalls. Failed initiatives like getting baht buses to stop at designated stops and remove parked hire motorcycles. The first really serious project since the motorway extension (simply getting more traffic in really, with nowhere for it to go), that is the tunnel and we wonder if that will be a real benefit. It is certainly causing more traffic snare-ups. I live out of town and can see the impact there, Hwy 36 busy, junctions on the Railway line bypass blocked by stalled vehicles.

Still, probably better than driving in Bangkok, and we got a beach!

Infrastructure always lags development. When they put up a big new development or housing project or whatever that almost always goes in first...then the traffic get's bad and a few years later they fix that....maybe. So don't see anything different in this case. When you have rapid development like in Pattaya then the lag will seem much more pronounced.

As always with Pattaya, bad work, bad oversight, bad inspection at completion, and bad maintenance once the work is done. With the right modern equipment this should have been a 3 or 4 week job.

Well if you are going to compare it to 1st world....you should also be complaining about lack of steel toe boots (or often any boots at all) and other typical construction rules in 1st world. In other words, this is not the 1st world. Get past it and live with it or move somwhere else.

Labor is cheap. It's not a big deal to do stuff half assed and then just do it again and again to fix the mistakes. These guys, from the planners all the way down to the grunts make a fraction what the equivalent workers would make in the west. If they made more money then guess what...taxes and fees for various things go up etc. and eventually it gets back to you somehow in the form of higher rent or whatever. Think about that. There is good and bad in everything.

For several days now I leave my Nern Pub Wan home, park my moto at Numchai and walk across the pedestrian bridge to Big C etc. I just don't like mixing with speeding vehicles on Sukhumvit Death Valley. I also don't like riding all the way from Klang to Pattaya Nua and back down again for 5 more km, although I take Soi Yume. I'm not going to do this for 3-4 years. What a mess, a mess that will just get worse and worse. It will soon be time to leave Thailand

What are you waiting for? Thailand sucks. You are better off where you came from.