Samaaw

it would be good to get the NON B Business visa without having to go all the way without the work permit etc....but this is probably not possible???

The visa is valid - the multi re-entry stamp is also valid. This is the 2nd and last year of the visa which was renewed. Expires next month.

I have been studying and have a letter from the university as proof (for immigration)

If the visa was not legal the immigration official should of cancelled the visa on the spot - he never did. He stamped "insufficient funds to enter the country"

All the info is posted on the initial post - I am not here to validate my visa to the forum - the intention of the post was to indicate that Immigration have the final say at border / airport entry points - with a visa in the passport or not !!

I think alot of the readers here missed my point...anyhow on a final note... thanks for the great support.

You are not on a visa, you in fact appear to have an Extension of Permission to Stay (Case 2.8 or 2.9) with a Multiple Re-Entry Permit (both issued by Immigration inside of Thailand and not at a Thai Consulate).

In that case the Immigration Officer had no right to refuse entry if you had a valid Multiple Re-entry Permit, as you already had a one year permission to stay, issued by Thai immigration.

Maybe there was a problem with the validity of your Multiple Re-entry Permit. Did you get a new Multiple Re-Entry Permit from Immigration for your second one year extension after the 30 day under consideration period and for the remaining 11 month period of extension?.

Perhaps when you came back to Thailand the next day you were just given a 30 day visa exempt entry stamp (you state that you only had a month to run on this extension anyway).

A common problem is that posters wrongly use (the admittedly very confusing) Thai immigration terminology which then leads forum members on paths of deduction, many of which may yet further confuse the poster, since they do not realise that they have unintentionly misdirected other members through particular choices of terminology.

When I came back into Thailand the following day - the immigration officer stamped me in as per always... he never saw the "insufficient funds stamp" - I went my local immigration office to ask about the visa & multi entry stamp and they said it was all in order.

According to the university, they also said the immigration at the airport had no right to refuse me entry as I had already met the criteria to have the present visa...

I was not asked about funds or anything else. Just had to leave the country, costing me a flight and hotel for the night. Just inconvenient and disappointing that the official never allowed me in on the first place.

Furthermore - I have left the country and re-entered 3 times since this issue - without any further issues.

The visa is valid - the multi re-entry stamp is also valid. This is the 2nd and last year of the visa which was renewed. Expires next month.

I have been studying and have a letter from the university as proof (for immigration)

If the visa was not legal the immigration official should of cancelled the visa on the spot - he never did. He stamped "insufficient funds to enter the country"

All the info is posted on the initial post - I am not here to validate my visa to the forum - the intention of the post was to indicate that Immigration have the final say at border / airport entry points - with a visa in the passport or not !!

I think alot of the readers here missed my point...anyhow on a final note... thanks for the great support.

You are not on a visa, you in fact appear to have an Extension of Permission to Stay (Case 2.8 or 2.9) with a Multiple Re-Entry Permit (both issued by Immigration inside of Thailand and not at a Thai Consulate).

In that case the Immigration Officer had no right to refuse entry if you had a valid Multiple Re-entry Permit, as you already had a one year permission to stay, issued by Thai immigration.

Maybe there was a problem with the validity of your Multiple Re-entry Permit. Did you get a new Multiple Re-Entry Permit from Immigration for your second one year extension after the 30 day under consideration period and for the remaining 11 month period of extension?.

Perhaps when you came back to Thailand the next day you were just given a 30 day visa exempt entry stamp (you state that you only had a month to run on this extension anyway).

A common problem is that posters wrongly use (the admittedly very confusing) Thai immigration terminology which then leads forum members on paths of deduction, many of which may yet further confuse the poster, since they do not realise that they have unintentionly misdirected other members through particular choices of terminology.

When I came back into Thailand the following day - the immigration officer stamped me in as per always... he never saw the "insufficient funds stamp" - I went my local immigration office to ask about the visa & multi entry stamp and they said it was all in order.

According to the university, they also said the immigration at the airport had no right to refuse me entry as I had already met the criteria to have the present visa...

I was not asked about funds or anything else. Just had to leave the country, costing me a flight and hotel for the night. Just inconvenient and disappointing that the official never allowed me in on the first place.

try to make it EASY FOR YOU !! education visa is valid for 12 months... it can be renewed for another 12 months and another 12 months and another 12 months and another 12 months.... or re-apply year by year... hope you understand now?

The visa is valid - the multi re-entry stamp is also valid. This is the 2nd and last year of the visa which was renewed. Expires next month.

I have been studying and have a letter from the university as proof (for immigration)

If the visa was not legal the immigration official should of cancelled the visa on the spot - he never did. He stamped "insufficient funds to enter the country"

All the info is posted on the initial post - I am not here to validate my visa to the forum - the intention of the post was to indicate that Immigration have the final say at border / airport entry points - with a visa in the passport or not !!

I think alot of the readers here missed my point...anyhow on a final note... thanks for the great support.

They can always refuse entry but would normally have a very good reason for doing so.

A friend from the xxxxxx embassy just explained it to me. He says it's pretty much an international

protocol; entry / not allowed to enter is deliberately left open until the actual moment. A visa may

have been already approved on the information supplied with the initial visa application, but the officer

at the entry point has the discretion / the duty to take into account new information, on the moment

observations etc., and in some cases override the visa stamp.

Point made... thanks

Maybe the officer was thinking, "This African guy has been coming to Thailand for 10 years, twice to work and Non B Business, and now he is here to go to school?"

Just sayin.

African Guy ? Sorry I did not know there was issues with that - I am a white South African of German parents.

The post I put here is true - believe it or not.. up to you. I was merely making the point that Immigration have the last say ....visa or not.

Just saying

The issue is not where I am from - it has nothing to do with the visa been illegal... the visa is LEGAL with a MULTI ENTRY stamp valid for a year...

I have never had an overstay - never broken any visa laws - it seems to be a face saving issue... when the immigration official saw the visa was legal he still went ahead and stamps "insufficient funds to enter Thailand" in my passport... which is great for returning to the country at future times !! The stamp is still there !!!

I know the visa laws well after been coming to Thailand for 10 yrs and working in the country twice ON A WORK PERMIT & NON B Business visa.

We have no rights at entry with or without a visa - immigration has the last say...

Just a short story: Returning from a trip out of Thailand, the immigration official looked at my visa (NON B ED - Education visa) which is on its 2nd year and has a multi entry stamp with it. She then said to me to step one side and called her senior, who told me I cannot have this visa. I asked why not to which he replied "you cannot have this visa". After several attempts to ask the reason he kept saying "You cannot have this visa" - I waited for a while - he wrote some report and stamped something into my passport - I was then led away to the Thai Airways desk and had to buy a ticket out of the country, which I did.

I asked the Thai Airways lady what the stamp was which the immigration guy put in my passport - she told me "insufficient funds to enter Thailand"

I was not asked at anytime to produce any statement of bank account and my visa was not cancelled....

I left Thailand to return the following day... I entered without any issue !!

So that is how they are - sometimes I wonder if they have any clue what they are doing !!

"So that is how they are - sometimes I wonder if they have any clue what they are doing !!"

"my visa (NON B ED - Education visa) which is on its 2nd year"

You have a 2 year visa for education? A non immigrant B Visa? I thought immigrations now only granted extensions of stay for 90 days at a time, or are you at a government university? Why on a Non B visa?

You might want to double-check on long you were given permission to stay by the second officer.

The Education Visa can be renewed year after year... Education visa falls under "NON B"

I am allowed to stay for a year - the visa is valid for a year ... that has nothing to do with the issue of re-entry to the country.

Just a short story: Returning from a trip out of Thailand, the immigration official looked at my visa (NON B ED - Education visa) which is on its 2nd year and has a multi entry stamp with it. She then said to me to step one side and called her senior, who told me I cannot have this visa. I asked why not to which he replied "you cannot have this visa". After several attempts to ask the reason he kept saying "You cannot have this visa" - I waited for a while - he wrote some report and stamped something into my passport - I was then led away to the Thai Airways desk and had to buy a ticket out of the country, which I did.

I asked the Thai Airways lady what the stamp was which the immigration guy put in my passport - she told me "insufficient funds to enter Thailand"

I was not asked at anytime to produce any statement of bank account and my visa was not cancelled....

I left Thailand to return the following day... I entered without any issue !!

So that is how they are - sometimes I wonder if they have any clue what they are doing !!

What country are you from?

South Africa

Just a short story: Returning from a trip out of Thailand, the immigration official looked at my visa (NON B ED - Education visa) which is on its 2nd year and has a multi entry stamp with it. She then said to me to step one side and called her senior, who told me I cannot have this visa. I asked why not to which he replied "you cannot have this visa". After several attempts to ask the reason he kept saying "You cannot have this visa" - I waited for a while - he wrote some report and stamped something into my passport - I was then led away to the Thai Airways desk and had to buy a ticket out of the country, which I did.

I asked the Thai Airways lady what the stamp was which the immigration guy put in my passport - she told me "insufficient funds to enter Thailand"

I was not asked at anytime to produce any statement of bank account and my visa was not cancelled....

I left Thailand to return the following day... I entered without any issue !!

So that is how they are - sometimes I wonder if they have any clue what they are doing !!

And the Police who stopped a friend of mine, walking down Theppasit Rd, took him for a drug test - he was negative but he noticed them trying to change the urine samples - to make as if he was tested positive - my friend is Thai... so basically they even try and trick their own people.

LOL @ EMAILED IMMIGRATION - forget that...

Get a good law firm to assist you on this.. do NOT do it yourself... you will come up against all sorts of issues.

All these reports are they written by Thai reporters? Because most of the articles in the news seem to be confusing in one way or another.....

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Watching all of the comments here.. and others, amazing how foreigners comment on stuff as if they were actually resident.

[...]

Welcome to the forum! You may be surprised to find that many people who comment here do actually live in Thailand.

Yes I've been reading Thaivisa for ages, lived in Thailand now 7 yrs.

and your first comment is the silliest one,

well done

Well at least I don't have alot to say and no action I suppose. But thanks for your kind reply!

Watching all of the comments here.. and others, amazing how foreigners comment on stuff as if they were actually resident.

[...]

Welcome to the forum! You may be surprised to find that many people who comment here do actually live in Thailand.

and those who may not be here physically are here in spirit

and those not here in spirit might be looking for a clean toilet to take a dump !

Watching all of the comments here.. and others, amazing how foreigners comment on stuff as if they were actually resident.

[...]

Welcome to the forum! You may be surprised to find that many people who comment here do actually live in Thailand.

Yes I've been reading Thaivisa for ages, lived in Thailand now 7 yrs.

Watching all of the comments here.. and others, amazing how foreigners comment on stuff as if they were actually resident. When you look for a toilet use some good hotel or something.. I have seen some toilets in the UK & Europe are worse !