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We will speak about this in a few months from now,you need read between the lines!!!!

57 minutes ago, Kaoboi Bebobp said:

 

It appears as though the Thai consulate in Ho Chi Minh, sadly, does not offer the non-imm O based on being over 50. Their web page only specifies three categories of non-imm O: supporting Thai children, married to a Thai and voluntary position in Thailand. 

 

The only non-imm O visa is for volunteers on the pages of the Hanoi embassy, plus the O-A. 

 

Hanging over all of this is the possibility they remove the "over 50" category everywhere or expand the health care requirement to the Os. You have to not only have a Plan B, but a Plan C, Plan D, Plan E, Plan F. . . Think I might go with Plan F. 

I am official married in Thailand and i am up 65,i think that i can receive anywhere Non O based on marriage for 90 days.I think also the Non O up 50 will disappear only for married.

1 hour ago, Max69xl said:

So why don't you start with telling us which immigration office you belong to? If I want correct info about the O-A Visa and insurances, I wouldn't ask the officer behind the 90 days report desk. They have by far the easiest and most simple job at immigration. 

i spoke with the officer making my extensions every year and i understand him,he need respect the informations that he receives from the boss,i think so,and it is a public secret that they prefer a retirement extension that a marriage extension,more work,one set for him and one set for Bangkok and the stamp first in consideration for 30 days and after accepted or refused from Bangkok,Anyway i need go out the country first and then i will see what happen,but i am ready to move to an other country if necessary,have no home and no children here it is may be my luck,many friends are here with one or 2 homes and a family and cannot be accepted by insurances companies because some too old of sick or surgeries in the last 10 years.We are expat ans we have only duties no rights.

1 minute ago, bbi1 said:

The "self-insurance" way with money in the bank sounds fine if they ever did that, but 400k is nothing. It would more likely need to be done this way, a minimum of 2 million baht in the bank and the hospital can automatically direct debit the charges from that account if the person uses their services. That way they won't lose out on people not paying them even if they have funds in the bank, plus procedures for heart attacks or strokes can end up costing huge dollars.

if 400.000 nothing why the insurance give this covering,i have one insurance from my country 2.000.000 baht,have in 2016 2 surgeries all bills pay fr%om my insurance until the last baht,and one month before and 3 months after the operation 10%,like i say before a data base from the non pay hospitals bills(name,age,nationality,type of visa) in a data base and transfer to immigration  offices,it is so simple sometimes.

2 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

 

Actually other than using an Agent I don't think there is anything he can do that would not require first leaving the country.

 

Unless his extension deadline is some time from now and CM Imm practices  change by then.

Yes and first we don't know when he will go to renew his extension,may be next year februari,march,April,in this time under pressure from embassies and without loose the face they will grandfather these "pilot project" for the OA before 31/10/2019,if he need do now,wait until the last day and go to Laos to begin a new visa Non O and if married it will be very easier.

1 hour ago, bbi1 said:

If the requirements for a retirement visa is health insurance and no health insurance company will insure then the OP will need to get a different visa which doesn't require it, meaning an Elite visa which will work best and give up to 6 years here. Alternatively the other option is to leave Thailand.

my dear it is not very helpful for an old man of 80 years old,try to understand and comfort him,not go out the country they are other terms.

why they don't make a black list from the hospitals bills(names, nationality,age, not yet pay) and make a data base and transmit to the immigration office,it is so easy when they come to the IOs they can control this,now they aim one type op persons may be with the most integrity and financial means,they have always minimum 400.000 on the bank account,it is just an idea i am not a minister.And i am very curious which age are not paying the bills because the first question when you go to the private hospitals is, have you an insurance or a credit card and without i think they will not help you,about the government hospitals i don't know,but they are always under "the oath of Hippocrates".

3 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Thanks for your response. 

Imo - which is of course just that: an opinion - it only demonstrates that border-immigration still does not have its act completely together, and individual Immigration officers are trying to cover their ### by asking for health-insurance because they are still confused even after the Nov7 Big Boss clarification meeting.

Also, I did not make the statement NOT required, solely on this 1 report, but there are at least 2 similar reports.

One of them asked for insurance and showed a non-approved foreign policy document and was stamped in for 12 months.

The other one - even more interesting - asked for insurance and not being able to show that, was after some internal deliberation still stamped in for 12 months.

 

 

i will know exactly Friday 22,i go to my immigration office for 90 days and will ask if i can in the country convert my OA extension to O based on  marriage before  march 24,or go out the country the 22 march to Laos(extension and basis visa OA invalid) to make a new visa Non O based on marriage for 90 days and extend later for one year.My basis OA visa was expired in 2014 and never go out the country.

10 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Today day 19 of implementation of the health-insurance requirement.

As far as I know this is the present situation for OA - retirement Visa health-insurance status for entry / re-entry / extension of stay:

• First entry on pre Oct 31 issued OA Visa > After initial - incorrect  - denials, since Nov 7 > no insurance requirement
• Re-entry on still valid pre Oct 31 issued OA Visa > 2 reports - queried about health insurance, but even while having no thai-approved HI certificate, both stamped in for full 12 months
• Re-entry with re-entry permit > Several reports > no insurance requirement
• Extension of stay for retirement based on original pre Oct 31 issued OA Visa > 1 highly credible first-hand report (CW) being approved without even mentioning health-insurance / 1 highly credible first-hand report (Nonthaburi) being denied for non-thai health insurance / several not first-hand reports (friends/know someone) of being denied for no health-insurance / several quoted statements by Immigration officers that Health-Insurance is required for extensions based on an original OA Visa.

The above based on TV Forum postings.

Please correct/update where inaccurate or incomplete.

Is it not necessary to speak about these new regulations and extensions with the senior officer from the immigration office,the IOs are sometimes so confused with this health insurance?

i read on the website from Savanakh a copy of the passport of spouse!!!i never ear about this

49 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Hi, in your follow-up post you indicated that you misread and that the IO was indeed advising against leaving and re-entering the country without health-insurance.  So that one is cleared up.  Although the advise does not make any sense at all (as explained in my response).

So your remaining question here is whether being granted a Non Imm O based on marriage in Vientiane, if on application for extension of that granted Imm O you could be refused by your local Phetchaburi IO.  

And the answer is simple: providing you meet the requirements for extension of stay of that Non Imm O based on marriage, there is absolutely nothing to worry about.

And the fact that your Non Imm O would be based on marriage (on not on retirement), is an additional guarantee that it will be honored now and in the future.

 

When you go Friday 22 for your 90-days report you can query your IO about it too.

But it should be no problem, and there is no need to rush and switch to a Non Imm O now, as you will still have time till your present permission to stay is due for extension. 

By then, the situation will most probably have been 99% clarified (100% clarity in Thailand does not exist) and you can consider your options.

 

ok thank you for your answer,i will friday 22 november report the correct answer,i will certainly not switch now,i have time until march 24,i will see if they are some movments concerning these rules,i know they are some pressures to the Foreign office ministery from embassies,then i presume that they will adjust it.

17 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

I think what they meant was leaving and re-entering with a still valid OA visa one might be asked for proof of insurance.

 

No problem at all leaving and re-entering on a re entry permit and should not be a problem leaving and returning on a new non O visa if you can get one. That would not be a "re entry" it would be an altogether new entry.

Thank you for your answer.

sorry i make a mistake IO advice against leaving an re entering,i am very concern ....

49 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

I do not doubt that Bell Smith got this information from Petchburi IO.

So once again an Immigration official states that OA Visa holders will need health insurance when applying for an extension of stay.  But I can also add that till now I have only seen 1 first-hand report of an extension being refused because of no health insurance (at Nonthaburi > and the applicant had insurance but it was not thai, and hence refused).

And the IO's last advice is of course INCORRECT >

There are only 3 possibilities:

- When re-entering Thailand with a valid re-entry permit there will NEVER be an issue.  This because the re-entry permit is not an application for a new permission to stay (which can be approved/refused) but simply keeps your already granted permission to stay alive.

- When the original OA Visa has expired and trying to re-enter without a re-entry permit, this will not prompt health-insurance as both the OA Visa and the permission of stay based upon it will not be valid anymore.  Applicant can only enter Visa Exempt in that case.

- The last possibility is that an OA Visa holder wants to re-enter Thailand when his OA Visa validity has not expired yet.  Several cases have been reported of OA holders in that situation without health-insurance that have been stamped in for the full 1 year they are entitled to .

>>> So even though it's very welcome to post reports of actual experience (as detailed as possible), they need to be taken with a grain of salt, as both the poster and the immigration official can be incorrect or incomplete.

 

i have also Phetchaburi(Tha Yang) immigration office,and i have also a expired OA visa and i am under extension since 2014,i have a very good insurance,2 surgeries in 2016 and all bills pay by my insurance,i read now that the IO advise leaving and re entering Thailand without a health insurance,if i go out without re entry permit my extension en di facto my OA visa will be killed,and i go to Vientiane to make a visa NON O based on marriage and come back in Thailand,then can the IO after 60 days refuse to extend my visa to 1 year?Worry about this answer from IO'S.I go friday 22 to make my 90 days report 

it is a easy operation and need to put a mesh,they do now laparoscopic surgery,only 3 little holes in the belly , in the best hospitals,3 nights,if open surgery between 200.000 and 300.000 bath,3 nights also,my insurance pay 235000 for open surgery in Sao Paulo hospital in Hua Hin.

Ubonjoe,3 years ago,i had a friend who has switch from the immigration office in Hua Hin from NON OA to marriage visa,because the financial requirement was not enough,i think he was on 56.000 b. retirement and he was too late to put some more money(128.000 b.) on his bank account,and for the few days,i think 5 he was on marriage visa.

2 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

This reconfirms that there is no problem re-entering Thailand with a re-entry permit based on an OA - retirement extension of stay.  Which is only logical as the sole purpose of the re-entry permit is to keep your granted permission to stay alive.

But the million $ question is whether an extension of stay for an original OA Visa based on retirement now requires health-insurance.

As far as I can see (and confirmed by post #176 by Peterw42) there is presently only ONE first-hand report of an OA extension of stay being approved (at CW) without the need for health-insurance.

Several second-hand (my friend / I heard that) reports of denial, as well as several quotes that health-insurance is required by Immigration officials when queried about it.

Today DAY 16 that the health-insurance requirement became effective, and still no clarity on this issue.  This is getting ridiculous! 

So if you have first-hand experience re approval/denial please post a report with details (province you applied, original OA Visa validity date, options offered when denied, etc.).

Thanks!

https://lepetitjournal.com/bangkok/visa-non-oa-et-assurance-sante-les-assurances-francaises-acceptees-268656,interesting to read something move.sorry in french language

14 minutes ago, nightbird said:

Yes, I understand.  Seems like the best solution is to come in on a visa exempt and go to Immigration and apply for Non O. Before 90 days, extend it for 1 year. Problem solved. The benefit of doing it here (applying for Non O) is one will have an easier time of making sure you have all the necessary documentation. If you are outside of Thailand at an Embassy or consulate, and you've forgotten something or they want to see something that was not mentioned, you are out of luck. 

If possible can you tell us your experience with this situation,i will do also in march when my extension will expire, because i think you will need first go and receive a stamp when you go inside Myanmar and back again a stamp and then go back to  the thai immigration office and fill a new TM6 and enter in Thailand with 30 days stamp.

i will confirm you after November 22,i will ask to the IO in my immigration office what are the rules for Tha Yang, anyway i am also in the same situation,one solution go out the country and kill this visa and begin a new one NON O one entry  for 90 days,and after 60 days extend for one year marriage,and i will avoid this new regulation.

ubonjoe thank you for your opininon,i have an other one,is it possible via immigration office to switch from extension of OA visa to marriage extension visa and without problems  -- It can be done, BUT will still be based on your O-A Visa since that is the one you entered Thailand on. All long stay extensions for any purpose require the applicant to hold a Non-Immigrant Visa (any category). Thus, you can change the purpose for the extension, but the underlying Non-Immigrant Visa will be the same as used for previous extensions. So, to change the reason for extension without getting a new Non-Immigrant Visa with a different category than O-A may still require health insurance,i think really they are too much confusion and it is only the IO from your immigration office who can give his vieuw about this regulation or pilot project is very bad writed want they never speak about retroactive effect.

you can switch in the country but your basis visa OA will stay and they can say that you need insurance because stay on OA