pepi2005

the most dangerous people (if we seriously decide to be scared of a virus that has about 99.9% survival rate for all infected < 75y) are the vaccinated - because they feel confident about being 'safe' and do stupid things not even considerate unvaccinated, very healthy people would ever do. It might be new to you, but latest studies even confirmed by the CDC have showed that vaccinated can carry a MULTIPLE of the viral load compared to unvaccinated people. If anyone is risky, it's the 'vaccinated'.

Reality, however, doesn't agree with your hope. A look at Israel, Island, the UK, and now starting in the US (look at what's going on in West Virginia: 26% increase of positive cases with 'fully' vaccinated) illustrates that pretty much all the vaccine does is to help creating new mutations (exactly like the Influenza vaccines did) and make the vaccinated more vulnerable for them.

Thailand didn't seem to have received the news yet that vaccinated can be just as much - if not more - infectious as unvaccinated people, and they can carry a MULTIPLE of the viral load than unvaccinated. After all, that's the reason why Israelis have seen an enourmous spike in infections despite even being *triple* vaccinated, or why England dumped all plans for a 'vaccination pass' just yesterday... What's exactly the purpose of this 'pass' - to give these people a false sense of security and make them super-spreaders, so that even the healthy get infected? I'm not afraid of this virus as I don't belong to a risk group, but I don't want to be treated like a second-class person although I am HEALTHY while others may very well NOT! ????‍♂️

Okay, so now we can lay back and watch the situation to develop like in Island, Israel etc.? The word that vaccines don't reliably protect against infection, maybe not even against severity of symptoms (see what's going on in Israel), and that they may even fire up the development of new mutations because the virus has to 'break' the suppression doesn't seem to have reached Thailand yet. Instead, they lead to dangerous 'over-confidence' and a feeling of false safety of the vaccinated, super-spreading events by infected vaccinated people, and we don't even know which other long-term effects the spike proteins and contained chemicals will cause to bodies, hormone and immune systems. It feels like high-stake gambling at this point and with the data that is available at this point in time (compared to what was claimed a couple of months ago). Why doesn't Thailand open up in a careful manner, allow people to live their lives and aiming at building up natural immunity, while offering the *choice* of maximum protection to the risk groups instead of following this generalizing vaccine-only approach that so many countries have tried without sustainable success?

People 'lowering their guard' are especially the ones who got their vaccine shots. One more reason not to go in heavily on them (just as Israel did - with disastrous results so far) but to look for alternative approaches and allow to build 'natural' herd immunity without restricting people's liberties any further. Just my 2c.

So, Thailand on the footpath of Israel... ???? Despite (or because of?) vaccinations, numbers will very likely go up after the 2nd shot, and similar to drug addicts, vaccine takers will require to get their subscription shots every 4-6 months, next to the 2x-daily Pfizer pills the company is currently preparing, and of course - due to sheer mathematical reasons! - every time injectionists receive one of these shots, the likelihood having to experience one of the adverse effects is increasing significantly. ???? Tell me when I'm wrong. Of course none of the media scientists, journalists, politicians etc. are saying that - neither in Thailand, nor anywhere else. Why doesn't Thailand take the alternative, more rational route, like governments did in Sweden, and soon Denmark, Poland, Hungary, Romania, plus on top: do the sensible thing and promote healthy nutrition, exercise, healthy living? Next to 'classic' and traditional approaches not involving mrna vaccines. This wouldn't seem to make any negative difference, but is even likely to help to reach 'real' herd immunity.

What would be interesting is WHY they didn't join this scheme earlier - would be stupid not to do it if all it provides is access and benefits, right? ???? So there must be conditions or implications to it that were of concern to the government. I wonder what these conditions / parts of the contract were? Of course we will never find out - and why should we. We witnessed worldwide hysteria incited by media and politicians, governments buying largely untested vaccines and then pushing them onto...eeh...into their citizens, some governments even using very ruthless and coercive means. I wonder why the Thai govt was hesitant to join the club at first. But now all roads seem to be open for 'us' to experience the same developments we're seeing in all the other countries relying on vaccination.

"calls from 'concerned citizens'"... that sounds all too familiar for anyone originating from Austria, Germany etc. ???? Really sad to see that media & governments heated up fear and social divide even in the former 'land of the free', happy faces and social harmony, Thailand.

VERY REASONABLE assessment - wow. Let's hope the rest of the world and it's delusional (or power hungry) politicians - especially the ones in Australia and New Zealand hear and somehow accommodate this reality in their brains very soon, thus saving their citizens from more moronic "lockdowns", pointless vaccine coercion or closure of their businesses.

I was told that 2 peaceful protesters lost of their eyes each from rubber bullets shot by the police/military? forces - is that true?

as it turned out during the last weeks, they are NOT the answer (actually more of the opposite: there is little doubt that they are responsible for all the mutations we see). Just look at what's going on in Israel, Island, Ontario etc., in Ontario even the ONLY people who are in ICUs are the vaccinated ones.

News like this makes you wonder whether Thai health authorities follow international findings AT ALL?! ???? Lockdowns don't help, they just damage the economy. On top of that, they often increase infections within families. In the current phase of the plandemic, avoiding huge crowds in very air-restricted spaces is the advice given by most epidemiologists. Masks in the hands of the common man create more problems than solutions, particularly in poorer countries where few can afford 2-3 fresh new FFP3 masks daily. They touch their masks, use them for a long time etc. - just stick with advice #1 - avoid large crowds air-locked spaces Vaccines don't solve anything! The only remaining hope is that they reduce symptoms, but newest data from Israel, Island, Ontario etc. put even that in question! ( ) Just the opposite, the vaccines seem to require the virus to constantly create new variants against which the vaccines become less useful. On top of that, new data also confirms former so-called 'conspiracy theories' that the virus seems to trigger the development of ADE (Antibody Dependent Enhancement) against which vaccinated people are considerably more vulnerable than non-vaccinated ones ( https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-french-study-published-in-journal-of-infections-claims-that-ade-or-antibody-dependent-enhancement-is-occurring-in-delta-variant-infections , https://www.journalofinfection.com/article/S0163-4453(21)00392-3/fulltext) as a result, only risk groups should receive the vaccine. It is in public health interest to NOT give these vaccines to healthy people below 65 years of age who don't have any health issues (let alone children) The most rational way would be to define an 'exit scenario' for the country, after which a controlled viral spread is 'allowed', and risk groups are invited (not pushed) to protect themselves with the vaccines. Also, work on alternative vaccination techniques (maybe Novavax etc.) is recommended, just as more research into cheap alternative early treatments like with Ivermectin, herbs to push immune responses etc. etc. THE VIRUS WILL NO GO AWAY, particularly not with these vaccines, and they may well turn out more dangerous for the test patients than helpful in the long run once more variants pop up.

shows how pointless these "tests" are. Tourists and visitors had to show a test since weeks when wanting to enter Koh Larn as far as I'm aware. Just as in "sandzone" Phuket, which also had their share of cases since. When will Thailand take an example of open-minded states like Sweden, Denmark, several US counties like Texas etc. and OPEN UP?? This virus won't go away - now we know that even better after having seen in Israel, Gibraltar, the UK etc. that even in very highly vaccinated countries it always comes back. "Lockdowns" and the destruction of the economy will not end as long as politicians don't face this reality.