Aussiescott

Thanks everyone for the input, as i said before all is taken on-board and duly noted, even the advice/comments i really didn't want to hear but have ALWAYS thought..., i am not stupid, although you all may think so hehe, i have just been done over and as one poster said, yes i supplied the vaseline or KY whatever lube that worked and was reamed to no end.... but it hurts.

I feel more confused than before as i have mixed advice, with both sides having good merit... F me... maybe i just go the thai approach and see how that goes.

I do have a staff member that is very high in the Police, is that an avenue to pursue, or is this just asking f more grief as we all have opinions of the BIB?

Thanks again guys, much appreciated information and i hope this thread may help others in my predicament.

Cheers

Scott

OP: Within Thai law they view each case as being very different and hence do not always apply any form of case law.

http://www.thailand-laws.org/sources-of-thai-law.php

Before you meet with a lawyer you may like to do some reading, but as said by Mario listen very carefully to any advice given, especially the practicality of actually enforcing any Court decision, appeal process etc. E.g. Sinsod is property given on the part of the man to the parents, adopter of guardian of the woman, as the case may be, in return of the woman agreeing to marry. If the marriage does not take place causing mainly from the woman or on account of any circumstances that make the woman responsible therefore and make the marriage unsuitable for the man or make the man unable to marry that woman, the man may claim the return of the Sinsod.

http://www.samuiforsale.com/law-texts/thailand-civil-code-part-3.html#1434

Thanks Simple1, will read this and ask questions after the footy.... cheers mate

No Will,

Its the Mother who has 5 of them on the leash... its deplorable!

My partner told me many things but is torn through loyalty to her mum, but she is starting to understand whats right and wrong.

I want to tell all more about this woman who deserted her 2 children when they were infants to have a life of ripping off people, she's a criminal plain and simple.

Thanks mate, for your comments, its hard for me to fathom this, but also a good life experience, but i'm not going to lie down and accept it.

Cheers Will.

Guys,

You are possibly correct in saying that i may not get anything back, i NOW totally understand the ramifications of my naive and trusting actions....but i have to try and its not my nature to just give up without trying.

If I told the whole story which is not necessary for all to know and a boring read, i'm even bored by it....i have to try and get justice. This woman (the Mother) is a criminal and after the fact i have done my research on her and her antics, if it were in a 1st world country, she would be jailed, so i need to prove, her motive and her intent to embezzle money from me for her own gain.

The witch has 5 farang giving her money on a regular basis i have found out later, it makes me sick knowing this as well and i just hope when i take her to court, that there is a sympathetic judge/Magistrate that can see her intent and past history and awards at least something in my favour.

Surely, the Thai judicial system is not that archaic, this i have to find out myself!

I feel sorry for my wife/partner as she has been victemised by her mother for years and is only loyal to her by fear in which i have never experienced in my life before.... its a sad situation all round.

Lets make this a trial case Guys, and if i succeed to get something back its a win for everyone in the future, IF the judicial system recognizes past judgements as a reference like we do in 1st world Countries.

I can see it now in years to come when another poor farang is duped....."I refer your honour to the case in 2013 Scott V Witch" hehe

I feel better finally getting this off my chest finally, i haven't even told my family till now nd was my brothers idea to ask the forum for advice on actual cases... and something i didnt say, is my Dad is a well known retired judge in Australia and possibly a reason why i want to fight this injustice because its in the blood. haha... I'm relieved telling my story, even if its to u guys i dont know... so thanks alot for the warm replies, i'll keep you all informed of the outcome in the hope the next vulnerable farang is not duped like me.

Now i'm going to watch the footy, Sharkies v Tigers, go the sharks and thanks everyone again.

Cheers....

Hi All,

Thanks to you guys with the constructive comments/advice, its much appreciated and everyone posts are taken on-board, you know who you are, so many many thanks.

just to answer some questions asked, The chanote is in my wife/partners name, but i have the papers in my possession, same as the green books for bikes and farm equipment... if that helps at all, i'm not sure!

2 M baht is a lot of money to me under the circumstances of losing it!!!

Especially as i am young and i am not retired and have already given my ex-aussie missus a million dollar home in Oz plus everything in it, so my 3 kids dont go without! All i wanted to do is get on with my life and start another chapter and live and work here as i have always wanted too, but never could before when i was married. I have been travelling to thailand for over 20 years on holidays i love this place.

I was offered work here in Thailand so came here with enough cash to live a comfortable life and invest in a small business to give me a moderate income after i got sick of construction which i have been doing since i was 15 years old. My salary alone is enough to live on comfortably but i will not condone and just "accept" that i have been ripped off and then be another farang statistic and not fight it, or just jump from a building because i lost my savings!

I dont want to be negative here, but anyone who thinks that $60,000 +AUD is something to throw away is a <deleted> and has no brains, if you were in Business with a mindset like that, you wouldn't last long.... This is personal money I worked hard for and i'll be stuffed if i wont try to get it back after clearly being scammed. 2M baht can buy me a small condo in Phuket OR build me a beautiful home in issan on my lovely piece of land, why would i just through it away and chalk it up to experience?

Some will laugh and criticize, but i hope i can give you all some positive news in the future, i will even go to the media and tell the story if all avenues have been exhausted.

Wish me luck and i hope to still get some good advice like some of the posters who have already written.

Keep the info coming please.

Thanks guys, have a good day.

You did mention that the 1 mil was for Sin Sot but that you "did not have the papers"....

Do you mean that you have not yet been legally married at the Amphur?

If so, may try the angle that the sit sot is given based upon agreement of marriage and as the marriage never took place this legally should come back to you

Then would need to prove that this was in fact sin sit and not just a gift... And proof of the actual amount.

Thanks for the reply and thats the angle i will pursue, i married this lady paid sin sod and the marriage is NOT legal, therefore i want my money back. There's much more to this, ie the treatment by this lady, but i have had to grin and bear it, so they dont take off and i never find them again.

i understand what you are saying, but from the limited 'legal" advice i have and fortunately with records of EFT tranfers wher i specifically added notes "for marriage' this was not a gift persay.

Not only that, my argument is i paid a sin sod for my wife, the marriage is NOT legally ound at this point as we have NO papers, so i am hoping that it will be determined that this was for a marriage which now seems to be a scam...

This is my hope and again i need good legal advice. One lawyer has told me, we have a case because there are no papers involved.

at the end of the day, i'll try and expose this bullshit scam, so none of us expats get caught like this and certainly want to expose this evil F...ing lady for planning to ripp me off which after all the evidence is presented, can be proved in the court of law. I HOPE!

Hi All,

Firstly i want to say, if you don't have any constructive comments please refrain from posting as i am in a very dire predicament and am already too stressed to be listening to others crap, i have heard it all before, thanks.

To those who can help, i appreciate in advance, i need as much info i can to deal with my problem!

To keep it brief, i am a 46 year old educated man on contract as a Construction manager and met a lady in Phuket, where i work and live, she's NOT a bar girl.... we dated for 9 months and she kept hinting of marriage (i am divorced after 17 years marriage in Oz with 3 beautiful kids who i miss so much), I was skeptical, but i have fallen in love with this girl and the feeling "was" mutual it seemed and i missed the company of a partner in life so enjoyed all our time together.

I wanted to start a small Business in phuket as an extra to my job as a construction manager and after meeting her family in Issan, was advised that it would be better to start Business up there and was given various reasons to substantiate this idea.

I purchased a 10Rai farm in a great area and have spent approx 850K on the farm and works i have done to it.

Whilst all this was happening, the subject of sin sod came up....I knew a little about this but not as much as i do now, in hindsight i would not have paid it, but the Mother wanted 1Million Baht which 2 other ladies in the village had recently got, so she jumped on this bandwagon and i assumed this was expensive but the going rate (how stupid I was !!!!).... I love her daughter and was given the bull-<deleted> line, "if you love me, you will pay it", so I reluctantly agreed.

8 months later, the daughter wants out of the marriage, fortunately we have NO papers yet, but the BITCH of a Mother who changed immediately after the marriage to an evil witch, refuses to pay back the money, she has purchased rice cutter and all manner of things to make her life better and none was given back to us after the marriage like seems to be the norm...again i find this out after the fact.

I have received limited advice from Lawyers in Phuket, they all seem rather uneducated to me and don't know what to do, so i need to find a GOOD reputable lawyer that can help me with this Civil matter. To add, i have spoken to local Police, Tourist Police and the Australian embassy, all informing me this is a "Civil" law suite, which i can understand, but who can i go to for help?

I am happy to go into more detail to those that can offer advice, but i am out nearly 2 million baht and most of my life savings. I am STUPID & EMBARRASSED for having let this happen to me, but I am also a trusting person with a good heart by nature and didn't expect this to happen.

Thank you to all for your advice in advance whether it share your experience, offer advice or give me a contact of a good expat or Thai lawyer that can fight the fight with me.

All the best and thanks...this has me so stressed out because it affects my kids at home in Oz, but i was too embarrassed to tell anyone till now.

PLEASE HELP

Kind Regards

Scott.

I drive past this "ominously looking mosque type ugly project" everyday and have watched its progression for the past 12 or so months..... I was thinking mosque, have you seen the barred doors at the front, doesn't look too inviting for a restaurant. If you go down and have a look at that resort from the beach its very Islamic type construction as well, with the domes etc..... Will be interested to see what it will be. I may stop next week and ask one of the guys building the project.

Cheers...

I feel its mainly Aussies putting the boot in to their supposed fellow country men than other nationalities, this i can understand as us Aussie/thai are embarrassed for their actions. I am Aussie and behaviour like this is wide spread, although living in patong, i see more and more aussies acting the fool, maybe coz i can pick the aussies better than other countries.

look at his shorts, he has UFC (ultimate fighting champ) printed, he didnt do well this knob- head!

I also assume this was an attack (justified of course) from predominately thai's as they love the leg kick and can and DO break legs, i know i have had it done to me, 3 on 1 fight. I can look after myself or could better then, but more than 1 or 2 guys and your pretty well beaten if you have been drinking alot!

many years ago, i came to thailand for work, not knowing anything like i do now about the country, thai people/culture, got drunk with the party atmosphere, had my GF now my wife with me at the time and we were nearly run over by stupid motor bike taxi. i said a few words to him, the F word which thais HATE, next minute he comes at me... i was ready and dropped this guy only 1 punch. Next "second" there were 3 thai guys surrounding me, while i was watching 1 guy, another kicked my front leg which had all my weight on and smashed it apart. I dropped in pain and subsequently got the shit kicked out of me. The thai guy was arrested but he couldnt pay my medical bills, lucky i was insured.

"The moral of the story" this is Thailand not Australia and like someone said, your more likely to end up in hospital than a jail cell here, if you start this kind of delinquent behaviour!

I am afraid Aussies will get the name like they have in Bali, "drunken, disrespectful Aussies" as one indo lady i know told me the locals call them.

why doesnt Jetstar put on their outdated in flight intro to Thailand before landing, dont come here to be an A HOLE or you'll end up in hospital, jail or worse1

It was a lesson learnt for me and now i know many of the local Thai guys, who are great people....well the ones i know anyways.

I think they overstepped the mark...where have those genitals been? Everywhere think....yuk!!!! i would have hit those nuts like a speed ball at training... lol No offence to majority of LB, but some shit me to tears!!!

I still have my certificate of appreciation from my University in Canada for a job well done. My camera is not working or I would show u the certificate.

Don't worry too much about it.

What is the Academy of Economy? I'm blinded with an array of international awards.

i bet that "Certificate of appreciation" is hanging high in the lounge room for all to see!!

Not sure wooloomooloo what the "Academy of Economy" is either, but its sounds awesome!!!

i like it for 1 day ONLY its great to see most of us having fun.... there were the few overzealous farang that started on friday arvo, i do have one gripe, its the stupid drunk farang that run in the middle of a busy road in patong to stop traffic to wet people in vehicles, or run in the middle of the same crazy traffic to avoid getting wet..,.how many farang in phuket hospital today???? me think many!

i ask do u walk or play in the traffic in your own country???? Idiots...

Everything is a drama in Thailand..

Too may tourists, not enough tourists, etc etc

LMAO....couldn't agree more.. haha

We all that have lived in the "civilized" world before living here, have seen these campaigns to educate against the drink driving scourge . Unfortunately here, it could NEVER be as effective because the "establishment" wont follow through.. BUT i still think its better to advertise on TV and written media prior for a month or two about drink driving with the really in your face campaigns that are on the TV screens in Australia over the past years...very effective and we all thought we were invisible after a few drinks and could never have a crash.....until we were busted and cost a lot of money OR had a crash...I've done both and see these campigns after and think i wish i had seen these years before... I never hurt anyone thankfully though, only my wallett...

I "cringe" at this stuff, its so hard to try understand how behind this country is when it comes to major issues like this when someone has lost a life, it becomes frustrating!! i live and work in Patong with my thai wife, but have land up north as well, i am constantly trying to instill moral values in my wife... i am getting there, but its an uphill battle. I can NEVER try and change her Mother its impossible to try and change an older thai person having been brought up to live this way...LMAO thats another story i hope to share another time...

What do you do, accept it and move on, which is soooo against my nature. it sucks big time, but this is thailand and as another said in which i cracked up, the land of "FAKE" smiles....

LMAO, some of theses posts are so true and hilarious.....

Thanks for snapping me back to reality, as i read this forum with broken leg, while my wife watches the abovementioned crap and I cant escape....I cringe everytime i see a crazed ghost, or crazed pocessed hand attack people while still attached to some young, spunky Thai sex symbol who cant control it, i just wished it would strangle him... hahaha....

Can only happen in Thailand!! thank God for that!!!

I am lucky to have the Universal channel plus other farang channels, atleast i can watch some American crap serials with half descent acting,,, lol

Hmmmm, sad story. if he fell because he was pissed, thats bad luck....if he jumped because of life issues, still sad and i feel for him to wake with these horrible injuries. As one poster said, if the latter was true, i hope this changes his way of thinking and dealing with his problems, he is surely "lucky" to have survived and his time is not up yet.