BradinAsia

"The report said Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded in Thailand 83 times."

Is this guy a liar or a fish? If he is immune to this form of coercion, why would you repeat the procedure 83 times?

The waterboarding crew seemed to like 83. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times in one month.

How evil for any government to do that to a human for any reason?

These scumbags deserved every second of the alledged torture.

before proven guilty?

IF YOU BACK JUSTICE, WATERBOARD THE BUGGERY PAIR, BLAIR AND BUSH.

Most successful terrorists ever. Well, for theirs and their mates pockets.

How about including that scum-bag Cheney, the author of evil.

Even when I called reservations last night their phone system does not work correctly.

"Press 9 for English", I press 9 and it continues in Thai, have no idea what to do next.

Did eventually get through to a supposedly English language person who did not understand the difference between Ubon and Udon.

Even if you say Ubon Ratchathani and Udon Thani they still don't understand the difference? Reminds me of the cluelessness of some clerks in dept stores.

"The world is in a state of perpetual war, a third world war. It is an economic and propaganda war, waged by transnational corporations, global financial institutions and national governments on the poor. This international war against the poor is real; but with enough courage and organization from the lower classes, it can be stopped. 911, the Occupy Movement, Anarchist actions, Worker's Strikes, Guerrilla Movements across India, Nepal, the Philippines are all symptoms of the disease of social injustice and inequality. The War on Terror will never be won until the War on Social Injustice is won."

+1

Very well said.

Idealistic crap. Extremist groups have nothing to do with social justice, but the attempt to gain power to implement their one & only true ideology & countenance no other. If they do gain power, they will in turn will become the "oppressor". Take a quick look at Iran and you will understand.

A great example of social justice. Killing, torture & imprisonment of comrades who are no longer considered to be the pure representatives of the group is de rigueur.

I have spent quite a few years studying asymmetrical warfare - with an emphasis on radical Islamist movement- and I am a fairly serious student of modern history. As such, I have some opinions on the post from Bradinasia. But the fact is I'm exhausted and I'm not sure I need to add anything other than to say...

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SteeleJoe,

I'm not sure which post of mine you are referring to, but in the one you quote here the only part that is mine is the +1 and "Very well said." The other part is not mine.

was she wearing a helmet & if she suddenly cut of the car and breaks, that she got what she deserved, not ?

but hey, the car was driving by a farang, so he is guilty and will pay ... that is the thai's law

Let's be serious here, folks.

If you are a foreign visitor in any country in the world, don't you think a higher degree of caution is necessary?

And isn't it a bit crude and inhumane to suggest that the lady deserves the serious injuries, even if in the wrong?

"These scumbags deserve everything they get."

And how will you decide who the scumbags are?

Based on their nationality? Their appearance?

Based on the fact that someone sold them to the

CIA, like the guy arrested on the street in Italy?

Is this the kind of gestapo tactics you support?

A lot of unbelievably inane arguments made by the pit bull apologists.

According to a 2011 report on dog attacks, pit bulls comprise less than 5% of the total U.S. dog population, but accounted for 71% of the attacks.

Source please. Also, who funded the research - neutral party or special interest group? Do you believe everything you read?

Sure, anyone can prattle on...

According to a 2013 report on fallacies and hyperbole, Thaivisa members...

You can prattle on or if you know how to use Google search, do a search for this -- "pit bulls accounted for 71% of the attacks" (without the quotes).

Folks generally believe what they want to believe. Satisfy yourself.

Will even one of you Assange apologists provide a link that proves the US has either indicted Assange or issued an arrest warrant for him?

Forget the conspiracy theories and give some thought to Assange's obvious paranoia.

Looks like a smoke screen argument to me.

The 800-lb gorilla in the room is the world's one superpower that has other countries falling over each other in their scramble to kiss the superpower's arse.

It's best to keep focused on the 800-lb gorilla before he completely ruins our world.

That would mean your answer is..."No, I cannot provide a link to support the conspiracy theory that the US has charged Assange with anything."

I probably would have tried to answer your question but it seems to relate to someone else's post. It had no connection with anything I posted.

A lot of unbelievably inane arguments made by the pit bull apologists.

According to a 2011 report on dog attacks, pit bulls comprise less than 5% of the total U.S. dog population, but accounted for 71% of the attacks.

"On the other hand, fully authorized and legal 'enhanced interrogation', used by US authorities, produces no physical damage nor lasting harm and there is never a likelyhood of death - sleep deprivation, loud sounds, & waterboarding produce temporary mental trauma and subjects recover quickly."

Maybe you helped to write George Bush's playbook on torture.

Sounds like the same kind of sleazy justification that GW used.

A shame for Thailand.....One more shame....

Yes, it may be a shame for Thailand, but in comparison it's 1,000 shames for the U.S.

Let's keep some perspective here.

All well and good Honda--But trying to buy a new brio ---answer sorry 4 months wait, Nissan March-manual T. black. 4 months. Mitsu Mirage,, same.......no second hand ones on offer. Thailand wants eco cars on the road, but limited in the showrooms -UNLESS it the top of the range, you can get one today-SIR.

In the mid-1980s, I recall Honda dealers in the U.S. with showrooms empty, selling cars from brochure pictures, with a 5-month waiting list. This situation lasted for nearly a year, while sales (and prices) just kept rising.

Company like Honda is the reason why you have to pay 200 or 300% tax on European or American cars

Can you please explain that logic to me? Not only are Honda assembled here but also many European brands including Volvo and Benz to name just two!!! Good idea through, stop knocking the Thai's and pick on the Japanese for a change, one day TV posters will rule the world - then God help us

japanese car makers bribing Thai government,so they keep the tax for European and Amerian cars astronomic high,in thailand only khun hiso can afford to buy a Golf or Chrysler not to talk about a Benz..,besides that Japanese cars not really cheap here,for example a Toyata Camry starts in the USA around 23000$,here not under 30000$.Also thanks to Japanese car makers and Thai government you can buy only a few models here in Thailand,When i was in Europe last yr I was amazed how many different models of Toyota drive around ,hmm just by the way have a look how much does a benz cost in thailand,and then have a look how much does it cost in Europe or USA

And your point is... ?

Permit me to 'splain this one. Your post, that Ulysses quoted, has only quotation marks around the offending statement with no reference to the original writer of the statement..

The original post was later deleted due to topic issues.

You did not say it originally, but it appears you did since you did not quote the original author.

Sorry to butt in but I remembered it from yesterday.

Thanks, I quite understand.

"The world is in a state of perpetual war, a third world war. It is an economic and propaganda war, waged by transnational corporations, global financial institutions and national governments on the poor. This international war against the poor is real; but with enough courage and organization from the lower classes, it can be stopped. 911, the Occupy Movement, Anarchist actions, Worker's Strikes, Guerrilla Movements across India, Nepal, the Philippines are all symptoms of the disease of social injustice and inequality. The War on Terror will never be won until the War on Social Injustice is won."

+1

Very well said.

What does the 4th Amendment have to do with enemy combatants captured on a foreign battlefield?

I'll you answer this question you"ll know the answer to yours:

What does kidnapping innocent people off the street have to do with enemy combatants?

Now that's a real head scratcher.. I won't respond other than to ask if your first word in your post was intended to be..."If"?

Yes, you are correct, it should have been "if" -- a senility induced type...

And people wonder why the US govt is so hated.

They did also take innocent people with their renditions. Italy currently has warrants out for some US operatives who kidnapped a guy from the streets in Italy for rendition. It is ridiculous to say that those subject to rendition and torture were only terrorists. An Australian was tortured and has been paid compensation because it was a mistake.

Most of the prisoners in Guantanamo have never been charged with anything. So to say that they are terrorists is just a complete lie because they actually don't know. Just round em up and torture them to see who they actually have.

If all this was for the good of the people then why did the govt's complicit in this want it all kept secret? I remember it became public that the UK allowed a plane transporting one of those poor guys subject to rendition to use it's airspace. Of course the govt would have known but only when it became public knowledge and the uproar of it did the UK govt then pretend to throw a hissy fit.

I have no doubt my own oz govt was complicit as we just bend over and take it up the ass for the US. Every time they ask us for help we jump. Though I would hope after the lies of GWB and the fact that these things are now becoming public that they will be a bit more cautious next time.

I'm sure there are those that will simply not believe there was torture, even though GWB admitted he gave such orders. Who cares where the report comes from, comment on the report instead of the people who did it.

Does anyone actually believe this didn't go on?

This is one of the best posts I have ever seen on TV.

I admire anyone who has the insight to see reality in front of their face and the cajones to tell it like it is. Seems to be a rare quality.

44 is still to young to die. Some people say 'never drink alone' now I see why. On a brighter note I met a Russian couple on the beach yesterday and they said hello. That's the first time that has happened to me. They could speak English and talked about normal things. I was really surprised. I'm wondering if Russians spoke a little more English they would gain a big social step forward. Or we could learn Russian?

Speaking of Russians...

Some 20 years ago, shortly after the Berlin wall came down, I met six young Russian engineers in a beer bar in Pattaya. One of them had a birthday that day and upon finding that I spoke Russian they insisted I join the celebration at a Russian restaurant nearby. Their English was quite limited, but it didn't matter. After several hours and lots of vodka, we were making very boisterous toasts to Russko-Amerikanskaya druzhba (Russian-American friendship), as well as some quite unprintable toasts referring to the KGB and the CIA.

In short, a very good time was had by all.

I've met quite a few Russians over the years and without exception they were intelligent, well educated, friendly and likable folks. Maybe I've been fortunate to have met only the good people.

And? What the hell does that have to do with this?

It has a lot to do with this -- It responds to all the light-weights who like to disparage entire nationalities, such as the Russians.

Assange has had ample oppotunity to state why he advertised US military movements he got of a US soldier and advertised it on Wickileaks, which put the lives of US, Aussie, English and other soldiers lives at risk. The man was in charge of the site and has a case to answer. He is not only a traitor to Australia, but also to the US, England and the other countries that had and have soldiers in that war zone.

Anything he gets he has coming to him. He like most rats want the cash and the glory, but when caught cry about the deaths he caused or possibly caused. He should be prosecuted to the highest degree and punished the same.

This bloke is not an underdog, he is a dog and Aussies wont support him. If he has nothing to worry about, let him come out from the Embassy in Britain and face up to what he said did not happen. Then it's fair play.

So many have been quick to accept at face value the U.S. government's warning that Wikileaks has "put lives of soldiers at risk." However, to date not one instance has been documented to show that any soldier (or anyone else) has been killed or even hurt by the Wikileaks releases.

Now, consider for just a moment how many needless military (and innocent civilian) deaths have been caused by the U.S. government.

Then tell us who should be held accountable.

The bottom line is Julian Assange is a real, live, courageous whistle-blower who has exposed serious crimes committed by the U.S. government.

Now please consider just how much fairness and justice do you honestly think the U.S. government would afford this man.

Also, his so-called sex crimes in Sweden are a clearly a political smoke-screen.

Will even one of you Assange apologists provide a link that proves the US has either indicted Assange or issued an arrest warrant for him?

Forget the conspiracy theories and give some thought to Assange's obvious paranoia.

Looks like a smoke screen argument to me.

The 800-lb gorilla in the room is the world's one superpower that has other countries falling over each other in their scramble to kiss the superpower's arse.

It's best to keep focused on the 800-lb gorilla before he completely ruins our world.

Cannot understand why anyone would vote for Assange, other than a throw away "protest" vote. Regards Australian collaboration with the US are people seriously stating that Australia does need the benefits of the ANZUS Treaty. One of the benefits is access to the Echelon network SIGNIT, good idea to understand what this contributes to Australian economic and defense national security.

Because Australians support the underdog and a sense of fair play, which he certainly hasn't had

Assange has had ample oppotunity to state why he advertised US military movements he got of a US soldier and advertised it on Wickileaks, which put the lives of US, Aussie, English and other soldiers lives at risk. The man was in charge of the site and has a case to answer. He is not only a traitor to Australia, but also to the US, England and the other countries that had and have soldiers in that war zone.

Anything he gets he has coming to him. He like most rats want the cash and the glory, but when caught cry about the deaths he caused or possibly caused. He should be prosecuted to the highest degree and punished the same.

This bloke is not an underdog, he is a dog and Aussies wont support him. If he has nothing to worry about, let him come out from the Embassy in Britain and face up to what he said did not happen. Then it's fair play.

You have your opinion, but a lot of folks will disagree with your views and your reasoning.

For me, anyone (such as Assange) who has the courage of his convictions to expose the underhanded dealings of the superpower power brokers very much deserves the support of all who cherish freedom and human rights.

Assange has put his neck on the line for the benefit of mankind. We should all support him to the extent of our ability.

I agree with the man-made fake foods, the industial seed oils, the copious amounts of empty calorie foods, soda and white bread. BUT, HOW does meat cause cancer???

Eating meat is not necessarily associated with all types of cancers, but...

The top 20 countries with the highest rates of colorectal cancer are also

at the top of the list of countries with high meat consumption. Coincidence?

Only 2 Asian countries make the top 20 colorectal cancer list -- Japan and

S. Korea. The other 18 are all European countries plus N.Z. and Oz.

It's easy to find -- just Google "colorectal cancer incidence by country"

The next time you happen to be in a foreign country try this. Ask someone what country comes to mind when they think of people all over the world traveling there to have cheap sex.

Wow, that's a good one.

In my dictionary licentiousness is not defined as cheap sex.

I think the more appropriate word is lasciviousness. But even that would

be much more applicable to the farang sex tourist than to the Thai hooker.

The sex tourists are the lascivious ones -- so much so they spend a lot to

get sex (including the plane tickets, the hotels & all the *other* fees).

It's not my intent to defend Thailand. They don't need my defense.

It seems a bit too hypocritical for a farang to subsidize the Thai sex industry

and then denigrate the entire country for having a sex industry.

Also ludicrous.

I have no idea as to the necessity of this, but it did make me sick that Bush's lapse resulted in our 4th amendment being eroded and that many were tortured and treated such a way all because junior messed up. Seems like everyone is and will be paying the price for junior's reign for many years or worse.

The first part of your comment says it all. I didn't realize the 4th had anything to do with a Saudi, Yemeni, etc. picked up in Afghanistan, etc. but do carry on.

This all stems from 911. Not real difficult logical leaps here guys. 911 resulted in junior going crazy to cover tracks and make sure it not happen again. Bush passes Patriot Act and used fear, axis of evil crap to completely erode 4th amendment. Wire taps . . . Expectations of privacy gone . . . Axis of evil, evil thugs . . . Torture and hold people in solitary indefinitely . . . More good ole boy Patriot Act type stuff all stemming from 911.

Well the article is apparently from a Russian publication, so I guess if anybody knows about illegal detentions, those guys would. As to Bush, he did all of that? I was under the impression that Congress passed legislation, unlike the current president that just uses executive orders.

Making such remarks about Russia is very popular nowadays, but one simple fact we must not forget. For some years the U.S. has had the highest incarceration rate on the planet. Higher than the USSR ever had, higher than Russia now, higher than China, higher than Iran.