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Extension of stay === extension of a visa, which is why whenever you leave and return the entry mark is clearly marked with 'ENTRYCLASS NON O' or whatever the class of visa that was last issued is.
Why people have to get so anal about this terminology is beyond me.
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Last two times I've been to immigration to do a 90 day they have double checked there is one on record for me, and they told me I need to bring the receipt to the next extension application.
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Do you see them caring then? I haven't.
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Staying long long term on tourist visa, living in the same long term rental at a steep discount is not what the Tourist folks generally have in mind. How any of these arguments will fare when bounced against the simple argument "hey, I am here and spending money in Thailand", only time will tell
HA HA HA! "Steep discount"...since when farangs have gotten that kind of deals in Thailand?! More like the exact opposite.
Some people just do not like remote workers no matter what. They absolutely hate the fact the world has changed and where you work from does not matter that much anymore.
For Thailand it is a win-win situation. Money coming in, 5-15 times of average Thai salary per month. No obligations to pay anything back, like social security or even hospital bills.
Let's say 53 year old remote worker and 53 year old early retiree, both receiving the same amount of money per month...are you honestly going to say that 53 year old retiree is somehow more valuable to Thailand or his home country than that still working other guy?!
"Some people just do not like remote workers no matter what. They absolutely hate the fact the world has changed and where you work from does not matter that much anymore."
In fact it does matter - if you spend more than 180 days in this country you are liable for tax on the moneys you earn pursuing your career, worldwide. USA, amongst many countries has always taxed citizens on worldwide earnings - so little has "changed", other than it is easier to conceal your illegal earnings from your own (and your host) govts.
Foreign income of residents is only subject to Thai income tax if remitted to Thailand in the year earned.
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I've hired IT freelancers in the past. My guess of their income levels if operating from Thailand would be around 2-3k eur/month.These digital nomads must be making some serious cash since it's p off the same old broke azz thai elite visa holders. That's the only reason this useless thread has 20 pages. Jealously.
In my (20 years) experience your guess would be wrong.
Decent senior level developers earn full western rates, generally it is only the most qualified that can get full time remote work.
Most the FT long term remote roles I see are around the 100k US mark.
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Where does the law say anything about remote workers? It just gives a vague circular definition of 'work is working whether for pay or unpaid', which could mean anything from painting your fence to breathing. 'We know it's not legal' is a bit of a strong statement.
It's probably the most crystal clear definition of a law I've ever seen. I'm not even a lawyer and I have no problem interpreting that as there's no room for interpretation. Everything is considered work according to the Thai authorities deem otherwise.
Only recently have they clarified that activities that would be considered exempt under a B1/B2 US visa are also exempt under a Thai tourist visa, as someone linked to above.
My big beef isn't that guys are doing it, it's that they are promoting it like it's fine, it's not-enforced and people even saying it's legal citing some immigration officer in Chiang Mai who doesn't have the authority to even state such a thing.
To clarify whether or not it's legal. Next time you apply for a visa at one of Thailand's consulates, write in the box under purpose of visit "I will be working for clients outside of Thailand" and see if your visa is issued. If it is, I'll upload a video of me eating my hat on Youtube.
I haven't even got into the tax complications. Even if they made it legal which I very much doubt, you'd be liable for income taxes which are almost as punitive as the home countries of most nomads.
Please let's not derail another topic with an opinion based side discussion about whether it is legal or not - the OP didn't ask that.
It's relevant. If it's not legal then all other points are moot since I believe this forum doesn't permit the discussion.
OK, so if we MUST pretend it's relevant to the questions the OP asked...
Your whole premise depends upon the assumption that a definition is open to arbitrary interpretation. That is not what a definition is.
"work" means engaging in work by exerting energy or using knowledge whether or not in consideration of wages or other benefits
The definition simply says that 'work' is 'work', and it's still 'work' regardless of money/benefits. It is self referential and does not meet the basic standards of a definition since it doesn't define what 'work' is. Given this, it is the antithesis of 'crystal clear'.
Whilst it may be your interpretation, the law does not say that "anything is work unless we say it isn't". If it did say that, then we indeed end up in a position where breathing (or if we wish to be more realistic, sending an email, reading a book, or doing some exercise) must be work, since it is not expressly excluded by any legislation and meets the criteria of 'exerting energy'.
I agree that activities that have been expressly mentioned as not included by the relevant authorities can be considered excluded, but it does not logically follow that any other activity whatsoever therefore must be included. Only 'work' is included but we do not know, logically, what 'work' means for the purpose of legislation - we can only hypothesise as to how a judge would interpret any given activity.
Neither is it true that if they 'made it legal' then digital nomads would 'become liable to income tax' - Clarification of legality has have no impact upon tax liability - it is already the case that people with foreign income are liable to Thai income tax, as with people who are employed in country. For any Thai tax resident, Thai or foreign, foreign income is subject to Thai income tax if remitted to Thailand in the year earned, and zero rated if remitted to the country in a subsequent tax year.
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Ah what a shame - hopefully this alternative approach works for you, or one of the Kodi options.
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Yes would have thought stock amazon remote would work fine.
For me, i just get the list of channels for the selected category (might have to press right to jump to that channel list panel. Once there I press down to go through the channels and each gets a blue highlight. As I near the end of the visible channels in the category the whole list moves up one slot with each press, showing the next channel. When I reach the final channel, if i then press down, it takes me (annoyingly) to the next category.
Had a thought - the symptoms you describe sound a little bit like they could be related to TV aspect ratio settings, since if not correct loads of the UI is placed off screen (just tested mine on cinema zoom and it looks very similar to what you describe). Have you tried looping through those on your TV?
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If you do try the apk, uninstall the google play store version first.
Only other thing I can think of if it's not a version issue is that I got lucky with my remote.. though iirc it worked fine with the really basic stock one as well.
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Didn't mean timing so much as just remembering not to press down on the last one, which would take me to the next category and lose my place. I just press the down button on the remote and the list scrolls down, 20+ channels.
I wonder if the version on the app store is different to the one I have, I do have a backup of the .apk file I installed, but you could try the latest one that is linked to on their website and see if it is different - http://knd1.ilikehd.com/kaneda/downloads/last.apk
If you're still having issues, I can share the apk I have with you, but you'd have to trust me!
My version looks like this:
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It only does it on the last item for me though, can you see more than 6? When you mentioned 6 I did think that seemed very low... I have at least 20 and they are located in the DIGITAL TV (FREE) category
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Please let's not derail another topic with an opinion based side discussion about whether it is legal or not - the OP didn't ask that.
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Just to add in response to the 'difficult to find one that works with remotes' comment - ILikeHD app works perfect for me with a 10 foot UI designed for remote controls.
Have to say this app would be near perfect but for one thing..
When trying to scroll the channels.. Select the Thai TV category (digital TV) and then theres 5 visible channels.. Scroll down them and after the 6th the remote jumps back to the left pane of categorys.. cant get it to scroll..
Will send a support message.
That is indeed annoying I'm used to it now though.
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Just to add in response to the 'difficult to find one that works with remotes' comment - ILikeHD app works perfect for me with a 10 foot UI designed for remote controls.
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ILikeHD has quite a few that are free and in HD - including the two you mention.
Can get the app here - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.likegroup.ilikehdtv4
You'll probably have to register, but beyond that you don't have to pay for quite a long list of Thai channels
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Sounds to me like you're a parasite on the goodwill of other people - your landlady, your friend and your girlfriend.
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Only if the Thai definition of 'work' said 'what any random person refers to as work on ThaiVisa' rather than 'work is work'. Which it doesn't.
OP - I'm out of this thread now, it will inevitably go downhill - the info I gave you in my first response is accurate.
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1/ Is this legal from a Thai perspective, if so what are the requirements?
Nobody knows, depends if Thai authorities would consider what you are doing to be 'work' as defined under labour legislation, which says 'working is working'.
The only way you can be guaranteed of legality is to start a company in Thailand and run business (or some business, just enough to satisfy minimum salaries and costs in Thailand) through that, or to use an umbrella like iglu.co.thNobody has yet been prosecuted for earning income online for foreign entities where renumeration occurs outside of Thailand.
2/ Same Q from a Dubai perspective (if any members on here would happen to know that, a stretch I know bearing in mind this isnt the Dubai forum! But hey nothing ventured nothing gained
I don't know, but am unaware of anybody being prosecuted internationally under labour legislation for earning income online when the source of the income is a different country to that of residence. Under tax legislation may be a different matter.
3/ If it is legal what requirements are there from a working and tax perspective?
In terms of tax, any foreign income is not subject to Thai tax unless it is remitted to Thailand in the year it is earned. if it is remitted in the year earned it is subject to full Thai income tax.
If you choose to start a Thai company, you would be required to have 4 Thai employees, pay corporate tax on all income processed through the Thai company, pay income tax for yourself and your employees, and do your company books. An umbrella would be less bureaucracy, but from what I can see is actually more expensive.4/ What visa options are available to me in Thailand?
There are no special visa options for people who earn income online unless they operate via a Thai company, in which case it would be possible to apply for a Non B visa and work permit.
5/ Do I need to worry about the UK tax authorities? (I wouldnt be earning an income in the UK)
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you and your failing marriage had costed you years of saving that could have been instead invested for your early retirement.
it s like guys buying brand new cars instead of second hand car and were making fun of me. I saved hundred thousand of dollars by going cheap.
they got big houses at several thousand dollars , while I saved and kept my money invested, now it brings me more money every year passing . after a few years, i can now rent a house in Thailand while the guys in farangland are still paying tax on their property of 5 bedrooms house that are filled with junks. they could have save the money instead to buy junks and invest in stocks.
now I can enjoy a relaxed life in Thailand while guys in faranglands are still paying lawyers and their Betty the bitch for child support.
10 years only.... now my life is all vacation while guys in farangland are still waiting for 5 pm to leave their dumb office.
Sometimes you say incredibly reasonable things. I agree with this line of thinking. For the most part, it's what I did.
However your 250k retirement plan, as you've laid it out, while certainly possible, is really bad advice.
I think the general principle is sound, as in don't waste money, save everything, but I think a total sum of 250k US is vastly underestimated, inflation has not been considered, exchange rate fluctuations haven't been factored in, and the yearly return is OTT without putting the principal at large risk.
My retire early goal is ideally at least 1.5m, but with 750k at the very bottom end (and house / car bought and paid for, and kids college fund in place) - gives 65k THB a month at 3% with current exchange rates. I think at that level (and definitely at 250k) one would still need full medical coverage since it's not enough money to self insure - one nasty incident and your savings could be decimated.
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Pretty sure you don't want mogandave to answer that one.. I suspect the answer might be slightly puerile.
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I already addressed the OP's specific question in my first response:
My continued responses are more of an antidote to the misplaced assumption that because the OP is 27, he's skint and throwing his life away. A particularly bizarre assumption given the OP made no mention whatsoever of their level of income.
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Perhaps you should read the thread properly.
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The people "you know" as engineer" are we talking 2 or 92?
More than 92, believe it or not.
One company I worked for had 300 remote engineers around the world, mostly in their mid twenties, with around 30% taking the opportunity to travel whilst doing so, on California rates.
Mostly US citizens, A number of them spend time in Thailand regularly, but more of them work from Europe - Barcelona and Rome in particular.
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- The elite visa which costs 500,000 thb for 5 years.
- You shouldn't have a problem getting another tourist visa from your home country or another country neighbouring Thailand.
- You won't be refused entry if holding a TR.what do you
- Set up a company so you can have a non 'B' visa and WP.
- There are companies that will, for a fee, employ you and organise a work permit. (sorry I don't know much about them other than they are expensive)
Unfortunately Thailand doesn't want people your age living and working here illegally.
Which country wants people living and working illegally? If you're under retirement age and you want to stay in Thailand . Then you should try and find a job here. Unless of course you are very wealthy, having possibly been left a lot of money by your parents and you don't need to work. in that case you should have no problem buying the elite card. So naturally the immigration Department is suspicious of young people wanting to live here permanently without a job. put yourself in the immigrations officers place. Hard-working, underpaid and understaffed. what do you think he thinks about all these these young foreigners wanting to stay here long time and not wanting or not having to work?,
What country in the world prosecutes or deports people who earn income online - can you find a single example? It is extremely common for people to earn income online and travel these days, yet I have yet to find a single example of someone being prosecuted anywhere in the world under labour legislation for doing so, and I have looked.
And that makes sense - why would any country invest financial and human resources in targeting self-sufficient young individuals that do not take away work from locals, are not a burden on the welfare state, and that inject foreign sourced income into the economy. It's really a bit of a no brainer.
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Over-Stay Charges / Border Run Question
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?? "up to one year" is not "one year or more"
1 day is included in "up to one year" so could lead to a 1 year ban.