andrewrooney

All this chat on here about Benelli and how great they are, but no one ever buys one.

I think that most guys on this forum own bigger bikes. Not many own one of the 250/300 bikes out there.

There is one poster who owns a Benelli 300 and sings its praises. There is one guy who owns a CB300 and the engine blew up within a 5000km(?)

That's the key: ONE poster who owns a Benelli 300. And one guy out of many CB/CBR owners who had problems.

Again, since you ignored my question last time, what do you ride, Happy?

Nevermind, I found the post already: CBR 471 with chopstick forks. Funny how this forum's biggest Benelli fan rides a Honda.

So Allan can tell it's a grade a machine just by sitting on it ,how do you work that out then ,what about brakes,suspension,vibrations ,gear selection etc etc you can tell this is all grade a and better than other bikes just by sitting on it that's some talent you have there.

And to others saying these will sell well if priced at 90k ,no they won't previous bikes have come and gone some cheaper than this and they don't sell wel because people know what they are like......keep dreaming boys ...

Tan, I'm not saying I will buy one at 90k, but certainly SOMEONE will

It needs to be significantly cheaper than both the CB300 and the Kawasaki Z250SL. Z250SL is 118,000 baht with ABS. So, since this bike, being less powerful, Chinese, and (as far as I know) doesn't have ABS, it really needs to be about 100,000 or less. If it is in fact 90,000 baht it can probably sell pretty well (although "90,000" from the dealer may well turn out to mean "99,999 plus tax and insurance" by the time the bike comes out).

Both very similar looking scooters. I don't know that Yamaha scooters are necessarily any less reliable than Honda; yes, the Fino is garbage, but their other scooters like the Mio and Nuovo are actually pretty good. I will say that Honda has a bit of an edge on service in that they have lots of service centers and they're generally pretty fast and inexcpensive. Also if the PCX has slightly bigger wheels that means the handling will be a bit more stable. However the Yamaha has a bit more power, and more importantly has ABS. If I were looking at buying one of these two scooters I think the ABS would tip the decision in Yamaha's favor.

Slightly less ugly than the PCX. ABS is a great addition. Are the wheels a bit smaller than the PCX? Hard to tell from the pictures.

Anyway for about the same price as the PCX and with ABS, seems like a good deal.

My NSR 150 SP is the most unpractical but most fun bike I've had (on road).

Cuts thru traffic too easy, sounds great (if you like 2 stokes)

Good for about 300 ks on a day trip.

Vibrates, sucks fuel, needs oil, hard to ride (clutch and gears) owes me all of 30k and thats for 2 (with books), have a running rat bike to pull spares from.

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Nice! Those old NSR's are great. Quick too. I used to have a Kawa KR150 for awhile. 2 strokes are high maintenance but loads of fun.

Exciter seems like it could be fun in the city. Clutch and gears and a bit more power than a Wave so a little bit more fun factor. If you intend to take longer trips I would go with the CBR, but for in town-use Exciter seems good except for the lack of storage. You're right that there aren't many options for small bikes with clutches, currently it's just the Exciter, Raider, and MSX. I heard Kawa is doing a version of the KSR with a clutch but I'm not sure if it's sold here. Anyway, both the ksr and the msx are a bit small for a full size farang rider.

It sounds like you're leaning towards the Exciter; if you're mostly going to be doing city riding, go for it. You could stick some hooks on there for shopping and even a basket and a top box if you really need to. I can't remember what the "quality concerns" mentioned were, there were a couple Exciter threads a few months back so you could search for those. Anyway I can't imagine it being any lower quality than similar small bikes like the Nuovo.

The 250cc single cylinder market is completely saturated.

I'm including the 286cc chopstick forked CBR in this, of course.

But hey, no harm in having more.

What do you ride, anyway, Grumpy?

I just ask because I could have sworn you said you ride a CBR250 but now it seems you take every chance you get to badmouth Honda, the CBR300 in particular. Just curious.

KTM's are priced great in India, if I lived there I'd buy one in a second. Too bad the prices here are so outrageous.

Without her ID card there's not really any way to get it into your name.

Either sell it and look for another used Phantom in good condition (and proper paperwork of course), or just ride it and make sure you've always got 200 baht handy.

I'm pretty sure the "Japs" already manage to sell quite a few cars, Allan

Anyway as far as this bike goes, at least they've managed to keep the weight down this time. Hopefully they can price it a bit more realistically than the 300. If priced around 100,000 baht I'm sure some people would be interested.

Ok let's not beat around the bush here. What I really want to know is what will get me the most girls. The CBR IS SEXIER but a scooter is better for carrying two girls back to my condo. Even has a hook to hang a few bags of som tam. Ahh decisions. ?

If that's the main concern... get a car.

I wouldn't mind taking the family to a game. What's the typical cost of adult and kid ticket?

Pretty inexpensive. When I go to BEC Tero matches adult tickets are only 100 baht. Not sure about prices for kids, I know real small kids get in for free but I don't know what the age/height cutoff is. Other stadiums might have some variation in price, but I think they're all fairly cheap.

1. Army vs. Buriram could be exciting, as Buriram is always one of the top teams and Army has been having a pretty good season. The other matches you mentioned are a bit more mid-table but could end up being just as fun.

2. Just show up. I would try to get there at least an hour or so before kickoff, that'll give you time to buy tickets, get a beer, find a good seat etc.

3. Usually not a lot of violence at Thai football matches, although there have been some exceptions. I normally go to BEC Tero matches and I've never seen any hint of violence, they're actually very family-friendly events and everyone is pretty respectful of one another. I did see some fighting at a Muang Thong vs. Thai Port match last year, so it's not unheard of. I wouldn't worry much though.

4. No problems there.

5. Nothing else to add really, just go and have a good time.

It'll definitely be more fun than a scooter. Plus it's more stable, better suspension, brakes, tires etc. Good bike in the city, still small enough to lane split easily. I say go for it.

For what it's worth, 'rai ngan' (or however you want to romanize it) actually does mean 'report.'

Not sure how you were pronouncing it to get 'put it in a plastic bag' or whatever.

I think the KSR is 111cc , but if it says 110cc in the green book , all is well . Would be my choice .

You're right, I looked it up and it's 111cc. Done in by one cc .

Maybe he could get the cylinder sleeved down?

Just because i sleev it down it will still say 111cc on the papers right..?

Yeah, I was just joking, sorry.

There are still lots of under-110 options such as a Wave or other similar bike, but unfortunately I don't really know of any pit-bike style like the ksr that would fit the bill. Pretty sure the Stallion pit bikes are 125cc also.

I think the KSR is 111cc , but if it says 110cc in the green book , all is well . Would be my choice .

You're right, I looked it up and it's 111cc. Done in by one cc .

Maybe he could get the cylinder sleeved down?

As mentioned, it's actually up to 110cc. That expands your options quite a bit. MSX is 125cc, but I'm pretty sure the KSR is a 110? Wave 110 would also be a good option.

Yamaha Exciter 150 has a clutch. Might be a good option.

Speaking of Benelli, I just saw a TNT 600, inline 4, 2013, 20k km. Aftermarket exhaust etc, advertised for 145k baht.

You could do a lot worse.

thats not the same as the ones for sale now..

Benelli 600 inline 4 has been on sale for a year or two now. Not sure about the price, don't see them too often.

Might just be the starter. My wife's family had a Wave that got submerged pretty badly when her town flooded a couple years ago. Electric starter was shot but the bike still kick-started fine. I'd still let it dry out properly first just to be sure.

Pic of the guy's bike from his facebook page, 2 weeks ago. Maybe not the best choice of tires for riding on the street in the rain?

Sold in countries that the Z250 isn't?

Isn't the z250 becoming the z300 soon anyway? (using the ninja engine)

Seems strange. There's already about 657 different bikes available in Thailand in the 200-300cc range, so hey, why not!

That's the weird thing, the 2-cylinder z250 has already been replaced by the z300. There's also the z250 single available, but this is on quite a few news sites and they're saying it's going to be a twin. Do they still do the z250 twin in other markets? Maybe for tax reasons? I like the idea of a small capacity adventure bike, but I'm just wondering why not 300cc?

To the confused , or the people who wish to know . I wondered if swarfe from the engine / gearbox was causing the clutch to jam , as explained . See CB 300 F thread - page 33 . EDIT , turns out , i was right with the cable .

Jeff, search and search again, there is no inherent problem with swarf on the CBR250R or the 300R, the engines do not self destruct, but I must admit the 300cc has more likelihood to blow than a 250, given they only increased the stroke putting more stress on the crank and probably more additional weight on the balance shaft.

Nice to find the problem, and glad it was a cable issue rather than an self destructing engine or a bent fork selector, or chipped dogs, or any of the other terrible problems you outlined.

I will probably stick with Honda, they take a bit of beating!

Any views as to pros or cons going forward with a 500CC compared to the 250? It would be welcomed!

Here's the thing about Jeff (as near as I can tell): he's ridden a lot, he's pretty knowledgeable about bikes, he knows how to wrench and he has good technical knowledge. However, for some reason, he has a burning hatred of all things Honda and can't post in a Honda thread without mentioning how they are all cheaply-made deathtraps which explode after a few thousand miles

One of these days I'm going to find out why, Jeff! Got burned on Honda stock options? Had a Honda as your first bike but it died on you and caused a freak accident? Personal grudge against the president of Honda himself? People want to know!