andrewrooney

When you buy a big bike, it's because you want a big bike. I like the new SR 400 but I can't pull the trigger at 265,000baht. I'll stick with the raider 150. It's not about not having the money, it's about feeling ripped off.

I have to agree that the SR is a ripoff

Certain models can be ripoffs for sure, but definitely can't apply that term to all big bikes in general.

Anyway, getting too far off track here, not trying to derail the thread. Maybe better to start another thread about value, this thread is about the Exciter.

Has anybody seen one of these Exciters in the wild yet? Is it being sold already?

I'm not starting any "nonsense" here, I've in no way trashed the Raider or the Exciter (which is what the thread is actually about). But if somebody makes a blanket statement that "big bikes in Thailand are a ripoff" on a bikes in Thailand forum, why would I not respond to that? If he said "I don't need a big bike" or, "I personally don't want to spend the money on a big bike" that's one thing, but to call them a "ripoff" implies that some sort of price-gouging is going on.

Comparing a small underbone like the Raider to a bigger bike is like comparing apples and hot dogs. I don't take issue with people wanting a cheap, fun, small bike to run around on (I've got a Wave 125 as my around town bike), but to call big bikes a "ripoff" is silly. It depends on the riding you're doing and what your own needs are. I might as well say that the Raider is a "ripoff" because I can get a Ryuka 110 at Big C for 30,000 baht. That's 73% of the displacement at half the price! So, logically, is it a better deal?

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It's stupid and serves no purpose to ban head scarfs. However, veils masking the face is a whole other story, so, given these terrorist times, I think these should be banned.

What about sikhs wearing turbans?

Don't know if there's any precedence in schools, but interestingly enough there's an allowance in the Thai traffic code that says Sikhs don't have to wear a helmet on a motorbike.

A hijab doesn't cover the face. I don't see how that can be seen as a security issue.

If this is a state run school (in a Muslim majority area, nonetheless) there's no reason they shouldn't be able to wear a hijab. The fact that the school is on temple grounds is a non-issue, I see muslims wearing hijabs selling food etc. in markets on temple grounds all the time.

If they want to live in a certain country, then they obey that countrys laws or get out.

Try living in a Muslim country and don't obey their laws and see what happens.

Muslims have lived in Nong Jok for close to 100 years now. Most of the canals in that area were dug by laborers forcibly relocated from the deep south. Nong Jok to this day is a Muslim majority area, and they are Thai citizens. Telling them "BE BUDDHIST OR GO HOME" is a pretty idiotic, uninformed statement.

Thumbs up for the raider, I just finished a ride from Chiang Mai to Rayong. Top speed achieved was 141 kph and very stable at this speed.

Big bikes in Thailand are a rip off, so its great to see the 150 class growing.

Raiders are cool bikes, but mid sized bikes and big bikes are getting more affordable all the time. Yamaha, Honda, and Kawa all have very reasonably priced bikes in the 250-650 range so I can't really agree with your 'rip off' comment

What's with all the trolls and their fake anger?

You ask a simple question as to why many Thai drivers/riders act a certain way, and the trolls go nuts.

I'm sorry but this is something that's been bothering me lately.

When did the definition of troll become "anybody who disagrees with me"?

Every single thread where people have some minute difference of opinion, we start seeing everybody calling each other trolls.

I personally have never seen the behaviour you're talking about in the OP (aggressive passing, kicking legs, shaking butts), and neither have a lot of other posters. That doesn't mean I'm calling you a liar or idiot, or that I'm 'trolling' you, it just means I've never seen it. Maybe I'm riding in a different area than you are. Maybe it's because I'm wearing a full face helmet and they can't tell I'm a farang. Maybe it's something different about our riding styles; once I get ahead of the pack after a stop light I tend to stay ahead, rather than slowing down in front of people. Honestly I don't know. But just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they're all "trolls." That word is becoming way too over-used around here of late.

A hijab doesn't cover the face. I don't see how that can be seen as a security issue.

If this is a state run school (in a Muslim majority area, nonetheless) there's no reason they shouldn't be able to wear a hijab. The fact that the school is on temple grounds is a non-issue, I see muslims wearing hijabs selling food etc. in markets on temple grounds all the time.

I've never experienced this before...

it's not often I let scooters pass me though

Personally I agree with those that said they'd prefer a manual bike if you're going to be doing a lot of riding in the mountains. PCX an ok scooter, good for cruising around town etc. but for mountain roads a bike with gears is more fun, plus you'll have the added benefit of engine braking. Then again some people just prefer automatics, and it all comes down to what you'll be doing with it.

I'll be cheering for her...

but I'm not going to put any money on it

Looking at her blog and seeing more posts about hair and eyebrows than about motorbikes doesn't inspire confidence.

But, you never know! Good luck to her.

I've heard great things about Nan. I'd like to take a trip up there myself; my wife's grandmother lives there and that would be a great excuse to get up in the hills if I can just find the time to go.

I'm coming from Bangkok so I'd probably want to break the ride up a bit. Do you think two days would be ok on a CBR300 riding with a pillion? Alternately, if I can get my wife's family to go at the same time so I can throw her in the car and ride solo, how long do you think it would take?

It would be cool if Seedy could give some more details (good places to stop, type of bike, whether or not he had a passenger etc.) or better yet pictures.

Cool. I would love to do a route like that someday if I had some free time and money. Would obviously need a bike that's a bit more rugged than my CBR

I do wonder about visas; I see that her route takes her through China and Tibet. Will the Chinese government really let her do that?

I'm trying to figure out what Colorado means in this context.

Little hint?

Or will it make sense when I'm sober on Friday?

I guess that's were papa rides his 650

aaaaahhhh

excuse my Sangsom fueled Songkran retardation

I'm trying to figure out what Colorado means in this context.

Little hint?

Or will it make sense when I'm sober on Friday?

Rama 8 is off limits. Pretty sure the rest of them are ok. I know for sure you can use Pinklao, Rama 7, or Krung Thon.

Pretty good, except for the kid with no helmet as dutchbike pointed out.

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^Just to clear things up, that wasn't actually General Prayuth's real e-mail address I posted.

^Do they have electric start now? I thought it was still kick-start only.

Or are we talking about the Centaur?

Centaur has rear disk brakes too.... Yamaha had better step up their game

Those in the know , and those in the the industry , have reconised Yamaha has consistently had the best build quality , and has had for 6 or 7 years. Like Hondas from years ago , the older BMW,s are fine bikes , but the newer ones just seem to often lack that quality of old that gained them that enviable reputation . Im reluctant to ask ( been away for a few months ) but what happened to ll2 ?.

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the plot thickens

55 it makes my post seem so much more sinister and important now!

The black anniversary was just a sad gimmick for an extra 20k.

Painted wheels, forks and a sticker emblem on the tank is what they did.

They should have stuffed the 500 stroker crank and put on the alloy wheels. That would be sweet.

Yeah, a little extra paint and a sticker isn't really worth 20k.

It's a shame these bikes are so overpriced here, if they came down a bit I think they'd sell really well. Thai people love bikes with classic styling, I'm seeing those Stallion Centaurs all over the place. I think if Yamaha could sell the SR for under 200,000 it would sell like hotcakes.

Those in the know , and those in the the industry , have reconised Yamaha has consistently had the best build quality , and has had for 6 or 7 years. Like Hondas from years ago , the older BMW,s are fine bikes , but the newer ones just seem to often lack that quality of old that gained them that enviable reputation . Im reluctant to ask ( been away for a few months ) but what happened to ll2 ?.

He's still alive and well but not posting here any more. Can't say why (DELETED)

265,000 was originally supposed to be the msrp (for the white one at least) when they released last year. How is the anniversary edition actually different, other than the color?

They're nice looking bikes, but honestly 265,000 is still too expensive. In the US and Japan it goes for about 180,000 and people still complain about the price.

Pretty good, except for the kid with no helmet as dutchbike pointed out.

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Since when were the police supposed to decide new laws ?.

This should be from government policy. The police are simply servants to uphold it. If they can decide laws themselves, who knows what we might end up with.

Actually I know the answer : the BiB and their magnificent reputation.

They don't decide new laws. The policeman in question is expressing his opinion only.

let's complicate it more:

Is a Wave safer than a Click?