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The Scout just warmed my heart a bit when i first saw it....and for a retro/vintage old school cruiser it ain't that bad performance wise.

You can indulge your heart with a second bike, but your primary ride should warm an area about 18" south.

Wow, didn't know the Diavel had a seat heater.

Now, that is truly useful here in Thailand!

Well, from reading the reviews, it does indeed have a built-in butt-and-crotch heater that Ducati offers at no additional charge.

Seriously, though, it's supposed to run very hot- hopefully you'll research it fully before pulling the trigger.

The Scout just warmed my heart a bit when i first saw it....and for a retro/vintage old school cruiser it ain't that bad performance wise.

You can indulge your heart with a second bike, but your primary ride should warm an area about 18" south.

I'm a Spidi fan, and I like their full-gauntlet vented line- I have a pair of Race Vents, and I'm looking at the Carbo Track gloves. They're available in LOS here- http://www.kamixshop.com/product.php?c=5.

A guy I know in California ordered a Scout a couple days ago ($12,500 or 405K baht)- it's a nice looking bike, but a Diavel kills it as far as performance goes.

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The street version (which will be much cheaper) is the real comparison, though. The SL is 3.5m in

LOS- the H2 should be closer to 2m (it's expected to be $35K-$40K in the US).

Also note that's the dealer price- retail will be quite a bit more.

This is supposed to be an actual dealer invoice from the US (meaning it's what the dealer pays Kawasaki before marking it up for a retail sale):

No doubt it wasn't unveiled at Intermot to avoid looking 'puny' next to the H2 R'S 300hp- it will likely compare more favorably to the street version H2 in power specs.

If they can sell that Scrambler at 400K, they're going to sell a load of them- what a great looking bike.

I'd bet that the 300hp figure is on race gas- I dont think they'll be able to get near that on pump gas- the 220hp figure that's being speculated for the street version is likely in the ballpark.

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That's based on the UK price- the Thai market bases their prices on US MSRP, which will probably be a bit lower. Still, I think we'll see a price of ~2mil give-or-take for the street version- that's around what a Panigale R goes for here.

No final confirmation yet, but prices are being reported as ~$80K for the H2 R and ~$40K for the H2.

Those long turn-signal stalks have got to go...

Without knowing any details of the street version, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna want it (though that doesn't mean I'll ever get it). It's a sick-looking bike, and as pretty (to me- remember, I'm a guy who thought the Hayabusa looked good;)) as the Panigale.

Well, it's an H2 R, so it must be the race version- now I want to see the street version.

Just read on MCN the street version will be revealed in Milan in four weeks:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/mcn/news/newsresults/new-bikes/2014/september/cologne-show-radical-kawasaki-ninja-h2/

The Facts Ninja H2R (track only)

Engine Type: Supercharged liquid-cooled inline-four

Displacement: 998cc

Supercharger Type: Centrifugal, scroll-type

Maximum Power: 296bhp

Frame Type: Trellis, high-tensile steel

Tyres: F: 120/600R17 Bridgestone V01 slick R: 190/650R17 Bridgestone V01 slick

There's probably a lighting kit available, and those winglets would certainly unbolt for the fitting of mirrors- the first ones released are supposed to be track-only versions.

We'll finally know the deal by tomorrow (also the new S1000RR will be unveiled, and there might be word on the Ducati 1299, which will be the replacement for the Panigale R).

All CF bodywork- wow- this thing will probably be north of 25K in the US- I bet it will approach 2m in LOS.

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Yup- I remember the first time I spun the rear with TC on- I continued to feed in throttle, and nothing happened (the revs slowly dropped)- I thought something was wrong at first.

I'm hearing rumors it's an ZZR1400 / ZX14RR style powerplant with around 230ps max boost

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that would be great for me as its a bike i wouldn't want. saves the $$$

It's just the opposite for me.

Very nice- as I suspected, the stock suspension likely isn't as poor as people have made out.

I want to be Valentino Rossi's friend:

Looks like a really nice bike.

The heat issue must be more of a problem with the 1199- good to hear it doesn't affect the 899.

Speculation is that the heat is due to the positioning of one of the cylinders, which raises the temp of the frame.

I would doubt that the reports have anything to do with the brand- there aren't many people with a Panigale as their first motorcyçle (though no doubt there are some), and most are making comparisons to other bikes they've owned.

Again, some owners say it's no big deal- we'll have some first-hand reports soon enough.

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Nope- it's a big issue among owners- I've read all the Ducati boards and magazine and Internet reviews- they all mention the heat. Ducati started offering new heat shielding from 2013, but it didn't really help much according to many owners. Even the short Cycle World comparison makes mention of it.

When a newb mentions the heat on Ducati1199.com, for example, they make a joke out of it and say 'What heat?' It's something you have to live with on the 1199 at least- I don't know as much about the 899.

If I lived where I could generally avoid traffic, the heat wouldn't worry me, but in a big city, it could be rough going. Then again, maybe it's not as bad as I think.

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I looked into tne 1199 quite a bit- I've never read about heat issues with another bike anywhere near what's been in reviews and Internet boards (the HP4 and S1000RR aren't close to the same level- even my ZX-14R isn't bad on a hot day, and that's over 200hp)- the 899 might not be as bad, but this is an issue that Ducati has tried (and failed) to resolve. Tne nature of the engine and the routing of the exhaust seems to create heat (directed at the ride) well beyond the ordinary.

I'd be happy to own one (and I still could see buying an 1199 in the right circumstances), but I think if I lived in BKK it would worry me. It's obviously a great bike, and if you have it as a second bike (which I believe you do) that would make it much easier to live with.