RubberSideDown

That's terrific, Brad- now maybe you can post regarding the topic-at-hand instead of inventing windmills to tilt at.

Dear Mr. Don Quixote, may I suggest you get a life? You are out of your league here, son.

Take it easy with the condescension, 'dad'- I don't know you, and you sure don't know me- I'm responding to your posts on this thread, which are just silly considering you are completely incorrect in your assumptions,

You came into this thread crying about your beloved Click being called 'sub-standard'- it wasn't- it is actually the industry standard, which is decent, cheap, mass-produced transportation not meant for high-speed (and 90kph is 'high-speed' on a scooter) travel.

You are the one guilty of condescension all along. You talk about reading comprehension,

but if you read my original post, there was nothing resembling crying. I can only respectfully

suggest that you take a hike.

I read your posts- they were based on your poor reading comprehension- you cried in response to things that weren't actually said (that CBX comparison was very humorous, though), and you tried to give a Honda history lesson that had no relevance to the topic-at-hand (no one argued quality- they were arguing ability at certain speeds- you're the one who said 'inherently unsafe' or 'substandard'- you introduced those terms to the thread, and no one else did)- you bought a Honda in 1963- so what? If you discount the actual anecdotal experiences of others, how do you expect yours to be respected?

May I respectfully suggest that you take a hike, and try not to trip over your Zimmer frame- we wouldn't want you to break your hip.

You can probably get a mount for the iPad mini- the screen will be tough to see in sunlight, though, and the constant vibration from the bike can damage it after a while- bike GPS units are built to different (and tougher) standards than car units or tablets as they take more abuse.

I think that looks great- the modification really improved the look of the bike.

That's terrific, Brad- now maybe you can post regarding the topic-at-hand instead of inventing windmills to tilt at.

Dear Mr. Don Quixote, may I suggest you get a life? You are out of your league here, son.

Take it easy with the condescension, 'dad'- I don't know you, and you sure don't know me- I'm responding to your posts on this thread, which are just silly considering you are completely incorrect in your assumptions,

You came into this thread crying about your beloved Click being called 'sub-standard'- it wasn't- it is actually the industry standard, which is decent, cheap, mass-produced transportation not meant for high-speed (and 90kph is 'high-speed' on a scooter) travel.

That's terrific, Brad- now maybe you can post regarding the topic-at-hand instead of inventing windmills to tilt at.

All the clueless comments about the Honda Click being cheaply mass-produced and inherently unsafe are pure rubbish.

For those who haven't noticed, Honda is by far the world's largest motorcycle manufacturer and has been for 50 years.

It absolutely is cheaply mass-produced, as are all the scooters made for the SE Asian market (Honda or not)- it has to meet a certain price-point, and thus that limits the choice of components.

I don't recall anyone calling it 'inherently unsafe'- it's certainly not safe at the ultimate speed at which its engine is capable of propelling it due to the cheap brakes and tires with which it's equipped.

It's a good-quality scooter and is excellent transportation, but bearing the Honda marque doesn't make it better than it is.

I've owned several Hondas as well, from 110cc to 1100cc- they all had their good and bad points (my VFR let me down mechanically due a flaw in the design process- even Honda engineers aren't perfect).

This is precisely the kind of biased misinformation I was talking about. A lot of

pseudo experts who know very little about the actual machines.

All machines compete in the market, but it doesn't mean the manufacturer is

willing to make a substandard product to meet that so-called price point.

The amount of advanced technology in a Honda Click is far more advanced that

that of my 1978 Honda 6-cylinger CBX, for example. The Click has liquid-cooling,

electronic ignition, fuel injection and a lot more that the CBX did not have.

If Honda really wanted to produce a cheap product as you suggest they could've

used a lot cheaper technology. Also your remarks about the tires is rubbish. The

tires have to meet established standards or they will not be used.

I'm afraid you repeat hearsay and don't know what you are talking about.

Well, I'm glad I have an expert like you to set me straight- your opinion certainly means more to me than my own years of experience...

Yes, the comparison between the CBX and the Click is certainly valid to the OP (yes, technology has improved in the last 35 years- that's not exactly a news flash- the Mazda 2 has technology that you won't find in a Ferrari F-40- which one would you feel safer in going over 160kph?)

To say the Click (and every other scooter in the ~50K price-point) isn't cheaply-produced is utter rubbish- that's the whole point of the class- NO ONE SAID THEY WERE CRAP OR SOMEHOW 'SUBSTANDARD' FOR WHAT THEY'RE MEANT TO BE'- that's your assumption because you obviously didn't read the thread (there's no way you would be posting like this if you had)- what I said was that they are not safe at high (90kph) speeds- if you disagree with that, fine, but you're coming across as a bit unstable (and you seem desperate to be seen as an 'expert' when in fact many of us have plenty of experience with the bike in question as well as others in the class and don't require your condescending blather that has no relation to the original post)

You really need to work on your reading comprehension- you're about to have a stroke trying to counter points that were never made in the first place- all you're doing is presenting 'Straw Man Fallacies' because (as a Honda fan) your feelings are somehow hurt by basic facts about ONE of their models (that your bias doesn't let you see).

Think the standard looks and style of your Z1000 are a trifle dull?A few simple mods and you could have this!ImageUploadedByThaivisa Connect Thailand1371206557.353073.jpgSpotted today on BikeEXIF site......

Wow- they've completely destroyed a beautiful bike- the 'Blade Runner' look is gone.

All the clueless comments about the Honda Click being cheaply mass-produced and inherently unsafe are pure rubbish.

For those who haven't noticed, Honda is by far the world's largest motorcycle manufacturer and has been for 50 years.

It absolutely is cheaply mass-produced, as are all the scooters made for the SE Asian market (Honda or not)- it has to meet a certain price-point, and thus that limits the choice of components.

I don't recall anyone calling it 'inherently unsafe'- it's certainly not safe at the ultimate speed at which its engine is capable of propelling it due to the cheap brakes and tires with which it's equipped.

It's a good-quality scooter and is excellent transportation, but bearing the Honda marque doesn't make it better than it is.

I've owned several Hondas as well, from 110cc to 1100cc- they all had their good and bad points (my VFR let me down mechanically due a flaw in the design process- even Honda engineers aren't perfect).

I just ordered a Garrmin Zumo 350, which is bike-specific (large buttons, weatherproof, anti-glare screen, etc)- I don't like using a smart-phone for navigation and prefer something built for the task- I think it's a great thing to have with you whenever you're touring.

Paper maps are terrific and should be carried as well, but I don't have the greatest sense-of-direction in the world (it's been remarked I could get lost inside a phone booth;)) and I rely (perhaps too heavily) on a GPS.

The way it reads is that both the G-liner and Z-liner are some sort of chemical barrier, but the Z-liner is applied to a separate film or piece of fabric that it adheres to and is then placed between the liner and the main shell of the jacket, where the G-liner is applied to only the standard jacket liner.

Of the two jackets above, in Thailand I would definitely go for the Tornado as it's made specifically for hot weather, while the Tarmac is geared more toward keeping you warm (and the Z-liner most likely blocks air-flow).

Thx alot for explaining that! I appreciate it. What do you think about a full race suits made of leather that is for track use if I'm to use it mostly of the track really being nice or will it just be a pain in the ass?

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There's a track-suit thread posted by loserlazer that has some good info- I have an Alpinestars Orbiter suit which will work on the track but is also very street oriented (lots of venting)- if I were going to be riding more on the track I would have bought a different suit (possibly the Atem) as it can take more abuse and keep going (my suit has similar protection, but a couple low sides and it would be done, where the Atem will survive many)- it's about how comfortable you want to be- on the track you'll wear the suit for maybe an hour between sessions and a hot suit is bearable for that short stint, but I wanted a suit I can wear for 3-4 hours on the street (though in Thailand the weather would really have to cooperate;)).

Here's the thread:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/626628-motorcycle-track-suits/?hl=+orbiter

Shipping is about 400 baht of the price so it's possible the Brembo pad are cheaper locally- HH fronts for my bike (which I just bought) were ~$65 for the set in be States.

eBay has EBC HH pads for the CBR250 (abs or non-abs) for 1400 baht shipped from the States.

These are the ABS pads:

Rear

http://www.ebay.com/itm/EBC-Sintered-HH-Brake-Pads-Rear-Fits-Honda-CBR-250-RA-ABS-2011-2012-/390607475293?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5af205125d&vxp=mtr

Front

http://www.ebay.com/itm/EBC-Sintered-HH-Brake-Pads-Front-Fits-Honda-CBR-250-RA-ABS-2011-2012-/390596761492?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5af1619794&vxp=mtr

The way it reads is that both the G-liner and Z-liner are some sort of chemical barrier, but the Z-liner is applied to a separate film or piece of fabric that it adheres to and is then placed between the liner and the main shell of the jacket, where the G-liner is applied to only the standard jacket liner.

Of the two jackets above, in Thailand I would definitely go for the Tornado as it's made specifically for hot weather, while the Tarmac is geared more toward keeping you warm (and the Z-liner most likely blocks air-flow).

hey guys! does anyone knows the difference of rev it's g-liner vs z-liner? its a water proof inner line wear for their jackets but i cant understand the difference with their products. im not a english native speaker so maybe thats why.

here is a link to their page explaining all their products materials http://www.motorcyclegear.com/info_pages/revit_materials_information.html

thx alot for any help. much appreciate.

According to your link (which I think you meant to post on another thread;)) the G-liner is actually a chemical application applied to the lining of the jacket while the Z-liner is a separate layer of protection that goes between the lining and the shell of the jacket- I would guess the difference between a 'basic' level of weather protection vs. a 'high-level' of protection has to do with how long it will take before the rain breaches the jacket and reaches your inner clothing- for an hour or less in the rain, the G-liner would probably be fine- for all day, I would go for the Z-liner (which of course will be more expensive, and probably less breathable).

Whenever someone brings up how dangerous the roads are in Thailand (and they are) I always have to remind them that the number one danger to motorbike riders are the riders themselves- it's not the cars (or even the drunks) so much as the riders just get into situations their limited abilities can't overcome- generally, on a larger bike, many of these situations could have been avoided provided a good rider (or even a mediocre one with ABS) was at the controls, but we're talking about taking a cheap scooter to a level at which even the best rider in the world couldn't stop from 90kph in less than 200 feet or more (a top-notch bike approaches 120 feet) because the bike itself won't allow it- if you're dumb enough to intentionally put yourself in that (very probable) situation, well, there's not much that can be said for you.

You wanna ride fast? Buy a bike built for the purpose.

@ RubberSideDown, I can agree with what you're saying in regards to bike components and reliability, but if some one gets rear ended, the <deleted> is ALWAYS the one who rear ends, no exceptions unless there is a MINIMUM speed limit posted, which I haven't seen anywhere on any HWY in Thai. Riding fast doesn't give anyone rights to rear end and run slower riders/drivers off the road.Sent from my GT-I9100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

I didn't refer to anyone being rear-ended on this thread- that was another poster- I said if your speed is the determining cause of an accident, it's your fault, and that riding too fast on a scooter is foolish from a safety perspective (when I used the word '<deleted>' it was regarding the speed itself, not necessarily being hit from behind, which would be less likely at a rapid pace)- being rear-ending was brought up by someone else after I responded to a different point.

Leaving the words <deleted> and scooter out of the equation, are you saying if I travel at 80kmph oh a hwy with max posted speed limit of 100kmph, it's my fault if I get rear ended? OK, makes sense... perhaps you need to review the definition of MAX posted speed limit?

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What are you talking about? I've been very clear in what I'm saying, and I don't know how to make it any clearer Once again, I never said anything specific about being rear-ended- "If your speed is the DETERMINING CAUSE of an accident ('determining cause' is the critical factor) then it's your fault"- how can you argue that?- yes, most accidents where someone is hit from the rear turn out to be the fault of the person behind- so what? How is that germaine to the topic-at-hand?

We're not talking about riding 90kph on a 100kph road- we're talking about the relative safety of riding a Click (and scooters in the same class) beyond their acceptable safety limits- the speed limit (and causal factors of rear-end collisions) are irrelevant.

reading the replies here makes me think twice about getting a bike in Thailand...90/100km/hr is not that fast

It's not that fast depending on what you're riding- the 90kph example was in reference to a specific bike (or class of bikes), not to that speed in general.

Yes, those little Hondas are bullet-proof as far as general transportation goes- how fast do you feel comfortable riding one, though?

The Virago is a totally different bike (I agree it's a nice little cruiser) and was built to handle highway speeds- it ain't no scooter, though.

@ RubberSideDown, I can agree with what you're saying in regards to bike components and reliability, but if some one gets rear ended, the <deleted> is ALWAYS the one who rear ends, no exceptions unless there is a MINIMUM speed limit posted, which I haven't seen anywhere on any HWY in Thai. Riding fast doesn't give anyone rights to rear end and run slower riders/drivers off the road.Sent from my GT-I9100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

I didn't refer to anyone being rear-ended on this thread- that was another poster- I said if your speed is the determining cause of an accident, it's your fault, and that riding too fast on a scooter is foolish from a safety perspective (when I used the word '<deleted>' it was regarding the speed itself, not necessarily being hit from behind, which would be less likely at a rapid pace)- being rear-ending was brought up by someone else after I responded to a different point.

For me it's a matter of out-riding your brakes- anything above 60kph or so is really too taxing for them if you have to stop suddenly.

It is not taxing on the brakes as much as it is the small tires providing such a small area of contact with the road.

It's a combination of both, of course (the suspension enters into it as well)- if it were mainly the tires, though, upgrading your brakes with braided-steel lines, switching to better pads, larger (or going from a single to a double) discs, etc wouldn't have such a dramatic effect, but yes, those crappy, skinny tires don't do your stopping distance any favors- a lot has to do with how the stopping force can be applied (as far as degree)- with scooters it's often barely there or full lock-up when your going very fast.

In the end, though, it's up to you as far as how much you're willing to compromise safety for speed- if you really want to ride fast, I think you should buy a bike that can handle the speed properly, but it's your life- there's such a constant disregard for proper riding in Thailand that even after many years here, it continues to amaze me, especially foreigners who ride with a complete disregard for basic gear or proper technique for the road conditions- maybe they all have 'magic amulets' like the locals- I've got to get myself one of those...

it depends on your skills, but 90-100 km/h is the limit of the bike and quite dangerous for Thai horrible roads.

This is where we disagree- when you exceed the capabilities of the bike, your skills are negated- all the skill in the world won't make crap brakes stop you in a shorter distance- all it'll do is make sure you can maximize something that is quite limited.

That said, I would certainly agree that upgrading your tires, suspension, and brakes as you have done makes a lot of difference- from the OP, though, it would seem that a basically stock bike is what's being referred to, and a stock Click is meant to be reliable basic transportation driven ridden well south of 90kph.

I love riding fast- I just bought a very fast bike, and I'm not giving out tickets here;)- I don't ride that fast on my Wave, though, as it's too easy to exceed its safety margin- it's the same with the Click.

Riding a Click at 90 kph you are more likely to get hit by another road user than being involved in an accident of your making.

Saying that riding a Click at 90kph means you're more likely to be involved in an accident means that it's YOUR own making if your speed was the determining cause.

Sorry but you are taking the forum argument and the moral high ground to the extreme here. If riding along at 90 kph and minding ones own business and one gets rear ended by a <deleted> in a cage doing 130 then that is the fault of the person doing 90? Nonsense.

It's not the 'moral high ground'- it's years of experience and knowing what I'm talking about- you're the one spouting nonsense- I'm responding to the question asked by the OP- you made a comment referencing other posters (including myself) in such a way as to try to give your opinion more validity and theirs less, rather than let what you had to say stand on its own merits (or, IMHO, the lack of them).

Riding 90kph on a Click is foolish in the sense the bike is unsafe at that speed- not because of the speed itself, but rather because it has cheaply-made tires, brakes, and suspension that are compromised at that pace- the fact that it also has an engine capable of attaining that speed is beside the point- that's why bigger and more sport-orientated bikes and cars are safer at speed- they are built to maintain stopping power and maneuverability where other vehicles aren't- that's why scooters aren't safe when ridden too fast- they can't handle the requirements of being able to do it with a reasonable margin of safety- this would be true of any vehicle ridden past its limit, be it pick-up truck or Ferrari- the only difference is in where the reasonable limit is exceeded.

Guess what? If your going 90kph on your scooter, YOU'RE probably the one who's the '<deleted>'.

I think all the respondents here are big/bigger bike guys and hence all the negative remarks.

I (like many of the other 'bike guys' who have responded to this thread) have owned and ridden scooters in LOS for many years- my comments were from knowledge and experience, and had nothing to do with any negative attitude toward smaller bikes.

Just because your bike's engine allows you to attain a certain speed does not mean it's safe to do so if the other components aren't up to the task- on a Honda Click (or my own Wave), they simply aren't.

Riding a Click at 90 kph you are more likely to get hit by another road user than being involved in an accident of your making.

Saying that riding a Click at 90kph means you're more likely to be involved in an accident means that it's YOUR own making if your speed was the determining cause.

Seriously though, having a fold up poncho under your seat is great for when you get caught off guard.

In shorts, flip-flops, and a T-shirt a poncho is fine, but if you're wearing expensive leathers, it's nice to have some better rain protection in your tank bag.

Not sure about Bangkok, but I got a nice Oxford Bone Dry Oversuit (made specifically to go over leathers) from the UK off eBay for about 3K shipped- it's excellent quality: