Jip99

Anyone liable to tax is entitled to an allowance.

Really not true. If you check the notes for form SA109 boxes 15 and 16 you'll see (amongst others) that youre not entitled to personal allowances if:

(1) You're a resident of Kenya, Mauritius or Zambia;

(2) You're a resident but not a citizen, of Austria, Belgium, Luxembourg, Portugal, Sweden or Switzerland and your income consists solely of dividends, interest and royalties (or a combination of both).

There are lots of other circumstances, but for present purposes those two examples suffice.

As a non-resident the key points for getting an allowance are that you're either a British citizen, or your country has an appropriate DTA with the UK.

Indeed.

As this is a Thailand forum you will understand the assumption that you were resident in Thailand.

Certainly, I would not be asking for advice on a Thai forum if I were not resident here!!

Tyne

I've been outside the UK for decades and am currently applying for my pension. Other than a partial state pension, I have a very small paid-up pension. Since non-residents don't get a personal allowance, it looks as though I'll have to pay 20% tax on the PUP. Is there any way I can avoid this or claim something that will offset it?

What makes you think you will not get the full allowance - you will.

Anyone liable to tax is entitled to an allowance.

This should be resolved during the application process - I suggest you write a covering letter explaining your circumstances (if it is not obvious in the application process)

That´s an interesting article in The Guardian. Thanks for posting the link!

Well, IF such a deal were to be agreed upon, I only wonder if the majority of the Brexiteers who shouted "We want our country back", "We want to have full control over our borders again", "We want to be free at last" and "Stop paying money to the dictators in Brussels" would actually be happy with such a deal. I very much doubt it.

Only a few Brexteers ever believed in a "cake and eat it scenario". It was NEVER going to be that simple.

Negotiations always start somewhere and getting as close to access to the single market as possible is the objective. Also, please don't try and suggest that abandoning freedom of movement means that UK expats in Europe and European expats in the UK will be out of jobs/homes etc

The Brexit campaign used and still clings to the campaign slogan 'Project Fear' and 'Scaremongering' as derogatory terms to characterise the Remain position.

This deserves some examination.

Did the Remain campaign use projections of negative impacts of Brexit and if so what were they, where they 'Scaremongering', can they be described as instilling 'Fear'?

Yes Remain did use a raft of projected negative impacts for Brexit, these were almost entirely economic parameters, but also included loss of access to markets, loss of political influence on the world stage.

The economic projections were, for the most part, rooted in formal/structured economic forecasts which we can argue about the accuracy of and when/if these economic outcomes have/will come to fruition. Some of the worst projected outcomes where not plausible, but were recognised as such by the organisations producing the studies, some of the forecasts have already been demonstrated to be correct - The drop in the value of sterling, decreasing investment confidence, rise in UK profit warnings &c.,

I don't think even the most ardent Brexit supporter will state there are no negative impacts from Brexit (though again, they may argue the depth and time scale of those impacts).

The middle ground (excluding the extremes of both sides of the Referendum debate) will almost certainly agree its too early yet to judge the outcome.

The lack of access to markets, and loss of political weight is yet to play out. But loss of control over European decisions is an absolute outcome of Brexit, and nobody in the Brexit camp has explained how Brexit's core aims shall be achieved in the face of categorical statements from the EU, Germany, France and others that the UK shall not be given tariff free access to EU markets without accepting EU laws, regulations and the free movement of people.

So once again too early to judge on that one (But no clear way forward in sight).

Is the charge of 'Scaremongering' and the use of 'Fear' (Project Fear) justified?

Well it seems that on the extremes of the Remain support it might be, a few people did cling and still do cling to only the worst case scenarios.

But, if we accept its too early to judge the economic outcomes, then we must accept its too early to dismiss the worst projections - So the jury is still out.

'Fear' and 'Scaremongering' was used in the Referendum campaigns and its impact has been measured and can be seen. This however is not the Remain's 'Project Fear' or Remain's 'Scaremongering', but that of the Brexit campaign which shamelessly used 'Fear' and 'Scaremongering' when they integrated racism and xenophobia into the Brexit campaign.

'Fear', 'Scaremongering' is at the core of the xenophobia and racism employed by the Brexit campaign and is still visible amongst Brexit supporters and the comments they make.

The hypocrisy of such xenophobia and racism coming from British migrants to another country is seemingly lost in the eagerness to express the bigotry to which the Brexit campaign has given a voice and which the Brexit campaign has legitimised.

The irony is that Brexit, predicated to such a large extent on 'Fear', 'Scaremongering', xenophobia and racism characterises the Remain campaign as 'Project Fear'.

It would be laughable if it was not so cynical and, as history tells us, dangerous.

I agree with much of the above - we need much longer time to judge the impact. Many of those factors have not yet been negotiated but any judgement that causes either side to say "I told you so" is as futile as it is pathetic. We are where we are and whether that suits your own position is less important than working together positively for the future of the UK. Neither side should harp back to the pre-vote stage.

Cameron and the 'money men' totally misjudged the mood of the British people. Cynicism of politicians caused many to disbelieve the propaganda campaign and it was easy to see why much was tagged as 'Project Fear'. This belief has been justified when you see the likes of the IMF retracting earlier prediction and the likes of HSBC, Barclays NOT moving staff or HQ's as they threatened to do. Brits don't like being poked with a stick and I think that approach back-fired on Remain. As you suggest, all that is now history and where we go from here is what matters.

I whole-heartedly agree that xenophobia and racism has no place in modern. There is no doubt that extremists (on either side) will latch onto to such situations to justify their own cause and agenda - thankfully the worst of the extremists only represent a small minority.

Personally, I think that If we take away the extremes on either side then the middle ground is not that far from either of our beliefs.

^ Well I'm not done because earlier today you were claiming that things will be ok economically in the long term from brexit, and now you are claiming that they won't be! It seems to me that, like most other Remainers, you just jump onboard any argument that suits your anti-brexit stance, even when the arguments are contradictory. And you call us brexiters stupid! Amazing!

"it was (and still is) based around 'selfish, stupid, bigoted, aged (mix and match)' brexiters not caring about wrecking the country for future generations".

Those were YOUR words, not mine, my long term views have not changed one bit.

............... and have a guess who posted these words:-

..............................we will certainly Remain, the population is far too greedy to leave.

................. and yet you cite no evidence for that accusation ?

A common characteristic for a Remoaner.

Come on Jip, Guesthouse owns you and soon I will too unless you prove what you say, where's the link, you said you have a copy?

So you still haven't produced any evidence................ typical.

Other readers can view the evidence and make their own judgements:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/877654-uk-expats-for-eu-exit/page-39#entry10963818

Goodbye Jip!

The only evidence I see there is of your 'O' level in woodwork!

Death-star

graziano pelle at shandong luneng is now on £260k a week. making him the sixth highest-paid player in the world. bananas.

Mental!

Good player, but mental.

Presumably the cease-fire starts at Midnight ?

It just gives me time to remind you that I have a copy of your prediction that Sterling would slump by 20%.

Obviously if the GBP/THB rate is anything over 40, the reminder will be on me!

You will need to post a link to that "prediction" because I don't believe any such thing exists plus we are now all well aware of your propensity to tell, ahem, porkies!

................. and yet you cite no evidence for that accusation ?

A common characteristic for a Remoaner.

Come on Jip, Guesthouse owns you and soon I will too unless you prove what you say, where's the link, you said you have a copy?

So you still haven't produced any evidence................ typical.

You are right that there will pain for UK expats who have the pensions or funds arriving here on a monthly basis and some tightening of belts will be required for some time in the future.

We did discuss this earlier and a number of people in this position thought it was a price worth paying in the short term, however long the short term is deemed to be for a better stronger position in the future, however long we deem that to be.

So why are you so assured that "Great" Britain will be stronger? Weak Pound will help exporters. Independent trade agreements will be negotiated from a position of weakness. Personally in two minds over being British and wanting the best for the Nation or watching Britain go down the tubes like history tells us most, if not all, empire building

Hnations seem to manage.

The EU is in the weak position, they never in their wildest dreams thought we would leave, un like you I have confidence in the UK to prosper in the future There were going to risks whatever the result, both would be speculative, in my view the greater risk for our democracy was to stay in. We are and always have been a trading nation, we wont suddenly stop that and to stop trading with the EU would simply not happen, they need to trade with us as much as we need to trade with them, we will make a deal, to do otherwise would the EU cutting off its nose to spite its face.

Dont forget that London is the worlds number one financial centre, that is not going to change.

I am optimistic for the future in the mid to long term, it may be a rough for the near future, I always expected that to be the case.

The markets got it wrong, the bookies got it wrong and a few posts back I told how the bookies could appear to be right and the referendum result could be different.

It is up to everyone now to adapt to the result.

HSBC pulling 2,000 jobs out of London, and that's just for starters. Your argument is flawed

Did you want to reconsider that statement.

I think that a 6 month breathing space in which to cease hostilities is a bl00dy good idea. I am not sure that some of your fellow Remainers on Thai Visa have the ability to follow your example but, here's hoping.

In 6 months time one of us can be smug and the will have to learn to accept defeat - by then you have got used to the latter...

I'm perfectly OK with six months but others are less so, and if in six months the economy is looking decent I'll know I can rely on the Thai Visa clan to rub my nose in that fact, repeatedly. But if god forbid it is not, I will simply remind you, politely, that much of the alleged scaremongering was in fact, fact, so best start making up your excuses now.

Presumably the cease-fire starts at Midnight ?

It just gives me time to remind you that I have a copy of your prediction that Sterling would slump by 20%.

Obviously if the GBP/THB rate is anything over 40, the reminder will be on me!

You will need to post a link to that "prediction" because I don't believe any such thing exists plus we are now all well aware of your propensity to tell, ahem, porkies!

................. and yet you cite no evidence for that accusation ?

A common characteristic for a Remoaner.

Nude

You guys crack me up, reality indeed, there's a new word in the Brexit dictionary!

But look, let's not fight and simply exchange barbs, let's wait and see what the landscape looks like in six months and then we can all comment sensible - you'll be able to say, god but this is a mess and we'll be able to say, we told you so.

See you around the new year sometime.

I think that a 6 month breathing space in which to cease hostilities is a bl00dy good idea. I am not sure that some of your fellow Remainers on Thai Visa have the ability to follow your example but, here's hoping.

In 6 months time one of us can be smug and the will have to learn to accept defeat - by then you have got used to the latter...

I'm perfectly OK with six months but others are less so, and if in six months the economy is looking decent I'll know I can rely on the Thai Visa clan to rub my nose in that fact, repeatedly. But if god forbid it is not, I will simply remind you, politely, that much of the alleged scaremongering was in fact, fact, so best start making up your excuses now.

Presumably the cease-fire starts at Midnight ?

It just gives me time to remind you that I have a copy of your prediction that Sterling would slump by 20%.

Obviously if the GBP/THB rate is anything over 40, the reminder will be on me!

Behold

You guys crack me up, reality indeed, there's a new word in the Brexit dictionary!

But look, let's not fight and simply exchange barbs, let's wait and see what the landscape looks like in six months and then we can all comment sensible - you'll be able to say, god but this is a mess and we'll be able to say, we told you so.

See you around the new year sometime.

I think that a 6 month breathing space in which to cease hostilities is a bl00dy good idea. I am not sure that some of your fellow Remainers on Thai Visa have the ability to follow your example but, here's hoping.

In 6 months time one of us can be smug and the will have to learn to accept defeat - by then you have got used to the latter...

A friend believes that the UK should cater to both groups, Remainers should occupy the southern part of England whilst Brexiteers should be moved as far from the cinque ports as possible and occupy all the land North of say Sheffield. A wall could be built across the country, from Blackpool to Hull and this would mirror Hadrians Wall further North. Now admittedly the Remainers would loose the Lake District but it seems like a fairly responsible proposition to me.

Smart thinking

Straight out of the Nicola Sturgeon book of sensible proposals.

Darts

This is why we have first class insurance.

It is a must for Farangs and let the insurance company sort it out.

What they omit to mention is the mea culpa from the IMF who now still predict the UK economy to outgrow France and Germany over the next three years.

What you omit to mention is that the IMF said that Brexit had thrown a spanner in the works for global recovery and that UK growth is predicted down by 0.9% for 2017 as a result of Brexit.

The IMF said quite a lot that has had to be retracted.

They also failed to convince the British public to remain and were branded as just being another element of Project Fear.

I haven't read all the posts on this thread, but here's my two penneth.

I went back to the UK in June with two objectives in mind, one to vote 'remain' in the referendum and also to see England at least get into the semi finals of the football. On both issues I was dissapointed.

Anyway, we are where we are, but I found, that in talking to people (including my own family) there were loads of different reasons why people voted the way they did. My 'remain' vote was one. A selfish view on what would happen to the pound if we left, whereas my daughter vote 'leave' because she felt she was being lectured to 'remain' by Amber Rudd and Nicola Sturgeon in one of the television debaltes (project 'fear') She also objected to George Osborne's threats of emergency budgets.

It was really strange, in that you could ask people how they voted and they would happily tell you. If it were a general election, people would say 'mind your own business' but not in this case.

Honestly, I was one of those who thought a referendum on such a complex issue was ill-advised and I suppose we can 'blame' Cameron and even Nigel for that - both of whom have now jumped ship and essentially said 'Let someone else sort it out" Mind you, I think Nigel will be back.

This is not an 'anti Brexit' post. That was the decision, but if Teresa has no intention of moving on the formal exit process until next year then that might prove disasterous. Or, is it playing this thing 'long' to maybe consult the electorate in 2017 when the dust has settled and prices in the shops for imported goods rise, by way of another refefendum or general election. ?

I guess nothing would surprise us. I'm just gladI bought enought sterling over pre referendum to last me a year, tosee what happens.

I applaud your post which is very welcome after the standard contributions from the Thai Visa sore losers crowd.

I admire your stance and I believe my view would be the same if the vote had gone against me. I would have been disappointed with the result but would have respected the decision and campaigned for reforms on the back of the less than unanimous support for remain.

Sour grapes and crying "foul" would not have been in my repertoire.

As a 'Leave' voter my confidence caused me to only transfer 6 months money @ 52 - you are better protected than I am.

Dealer

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Another false statement from biker-boy!

Just watch it all unfold before your myopic eye. They will be gagging for it because they know their economies will to rat sh1t without us.

What makes you think it's false?

Because you wrote it!

So can you show anything that contradicts what I say? Because right now your response looks pretty childish.

You really need to get out more.

Maybe you and Guesthouse could get a room.

Brexit was about getting out of the EU not about zero immigration, nobody promised that

Spot on.

Only the right wing loonies wanted to close the border and repatriate.

90%+ of Brexit voters want a sensible immigration that is under the control of the UK.