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Very ignorant Falang , very embarassing , a complete idiot who hasn't got a clue

Your comments make TV so lively comments from very ignorant Farang, embarrassing , comments from idiots who have no clue, thanks John

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The image of this "revolution" is actually disturbed by S. A guy not even willing to talk, not showing any willingness to compromise, making personnel threats against the acting PM and their family, being under investigation for his involvement in 2010, not given any detailed information what is final goal is except to kick out the Shin clan. What shall a serious news magazine report?

On the other side you have a calm PM, offering snap election, talks, keeps the situation during the protest very calm, offering even a delay in the election process to allow the opposition to form their own strategy.

Now tell me what a serious magazine should report?

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I think that Khun Y is a smart politician. With her step down, announcing snap election trying to be extreme moderate and careful in acting with the demonstrators, respecting S in her statements and now even offering talks to postponed the election she was and is able to get most of the international observes on her side. Khun S on the other side with his partly demagogic speeches, with non compromising behavior, with his personnel attacks towards Y and the Shin clan has exposed him as a fascistic power and money hungry person, who has no program for Thailand except to kick out the Shins. How any following government under the influence of Suthep and his followers will be ever able to conceal the gap between the groups, only God knows (he has any interest in Thailand).

The offer of talks may be not fully hearted but it would be a chance for a peaceful ending. A postponement of two to three month would bring the democrats into the pictures. A procedure for the election process could be drafted to ensure free election without vote buying. The result whatever it will be, could and have to be accepted.

Again it was not T who won the election in the north it was the democrats who lost the election in the north as they never ever in their program have any concern for the rural people.

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The euro has gained more than 5 baht in the reasoned weeks, what is good for the expatriates will be a disaster for the industry as many loans are in hard currencies. Including government bond etc. the impact for Thailand could be a higher inflation rate.

How idiotic has this situation became. S is treats Y to kick her out of Thailand and make sure that she will not have happy days etc. now the Reds (at least on idiot) is doing even more stupid things and treats to kidnap the kids of the general. With all the polemics of the recent month (from both sides) Thailand went over the point of return. It has to be a winner or loose in this battle but it does not mean that we will have winner of the war.

The Thai society is so split with nearly equal numbers that it will take years and a great leader to reconcile the society. And at present I can't see anybody emerging as a leader of all Thais. Y as a part of the Shins and Suthep stubborn without any concern for the Thai society only thinking of the group which he presents. The consequences will be that this dilemma will go on for a longer time

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Abhisit's letter to Ban is clearly needed, as the Yingluck administration has claimed the following to the UN :

1. That the Constitutional Court and National Anti-Corruption Commission gave political judgements. That statement alone delegitimizes the Pheu Thai administration, as it attempts now to legitimize its power over them internationally.

2. That Abhisit approved of the amnesty bill !

3. That Thaksin was not to be affected by the amnesty !

4. That Abhisit had blocked reform. Abhisit has said that the Democratic party always backed reform, as long as the amnesty bills were withdrawn. The amnesty bills have never ever been withdrawn.

5. That the PDRC uses narcotics. What in the world is Pheu Thai up to here ? That drugs are the only credible explanation for the people rebelling against a corrupt administration ?

6. That the PDRC tried to impugn the innocence of the administration for the attacks against the protesters. So why did the administration stand back ? Why did the administration stage press conferences that refuted the claim of the chief of police regarding the men in black ?

With accusations like that, Abhisit has no choice but to state the truth. It is a sea of lies what Yingluck told Ban. And it also insults the intelligence of the UN - whether or not they are or are not Thaksin's father - is not the point. Thaksin seems to think they have the sensibilities ( and memory ) of Robert Amsterdam.

Where did you get all this information from? Have you a part of the red team?

All of us make assumptions ( which is fun I have to admit) but some real proven facts would be nice.

If we are talking of the outside view on Thailand, most countries give a s..... , but there is a general concern about decoration of Democracy in Thailand which can be attributed to both sides. I still don't understand why the Anti government side has denied any outside help as a moderator. At least some facts would be more transparent.

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Interesting repetition except this time round he is positioned on the opposing side......so let's see how the prejudiced crowd go from 13.

If you pick out what happened 20 years ago, what follies did YOU commit back 20 years ago? If you don't change in 20 years, you are a living dead, my boy! So allow Suthep to change as well.

Nobody here says Suthep is a saint.

But then Taksin is a non-saint of much bigger proportions.

I always get the feeling, the Reds never realize, that their mudslinging leaves then with much more dirt on their face then on their opponents face...

And I'm waiting for the day, when the Reds start talking about content, not about persons.

Are they for or against corruption? Suthep's follower are against it.

Are they for or against votebuying and election rigging? The demonstrators are against it.

Are they for or against a fair share of wealth for all Thais? The demonstrators are definitely for it.

Are they for or against an improoved education system? The demontrators are fro the improvement.

Are they for or against being taken for a ride and lied to and cheated by their own leaders? The demonstrators detest liars. And broken promises.

Are they for or against a government, that is working from within Thailand or from a not-elected guy in a foreign country? The demonstrators prefer to have the person in charge to be here, right in the center, not even on permanent vacation in Chiang Mai or Dubai/Hong Kong/Montenegro.

So in my humble oppinion, if the Reds weren't only listening to their leaders but instead ask for and demand substance, the leaders would since long be standing alone out in nowhere...

Sam

I am being impartial, I am just more observant , it may happen 20 years ago like you said, what you did not know is what happened 3 years ago when he was preparing for the election then. It is good to parturitate benefit of doubt, however I don't surmise my writing without apprehension;)

Both sides never had a program.

What is the program of the reds or yellows to improve the educational system in the north? How do ensure that all Thais will participate on the fair distribution of wealth? How to stop corruption?

Does anybody thinks with the elimination of the Shin Government corruption will stop? Does anybody is so naive to say with a new government the basics will change?

The only thing ( and that is scary) is that if a guy like Suthep will gain control that he can change the constitution to change from a election to a selection system, away from the basic democratic requirement one person one vote, changing Thailand back into a feudalistic system.

Suthep is stepping on thin ice as the people in the North have tasted the power, they will not go back under a system established by the Thai elite.

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Thais have to learn to allow criticism. If it was right or wrong who cares. If they blacklist everybody who makes negative remarks about Thailand than they have to blacklist the whole international press. If you include Thais on both sides they are making remarks every day which could be the ground for expulsion.

It's called freedom of press.

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In a survey the researcher found that people are accepting if people pay a bribe but not receiving a bribe. And be honest I do the same I m paying to the police man the money to speed up the process and come off easier.

Nearly all people are doing it with small things it is a part of the life in Thailand. Of course people in higher ranks are not happy with 200 baht. The problem lays also in the salary structure. A senior public servants salary is good enough to live a good life but if you meet this guys privately they are driving big cars etc. of course I do not mean that everybody is doing it but it is a part of t he Thai way of doing business. The system in Thailand always supports corruption and favoritism, it starts that you need a Thai JV partner to start a business whose contribution to the company is normally to receive a paycheck to stay out of business. Thailand needs an economical reform, but everybody knows it is difficult to push the heard away if they are eating especially when a new heard is already waiting to get access to the food.

Be patient the Romanian Empire was also not built in one day.

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TELL IT AS IT IS

If I were the prime minister, I would resign now

Pornpimol Kanchanalak

Special to The Nation

Here are the reasons why:

A voluntary resignation is not a sign of weakness, but of courage and strength. General Douglas MacArthur, in his speech to cadets at West Point, said:

"Duty, Honour, Country - those three hallowed words reverently dictate what you ought to be, what you can be, what you will be. They are your rallying point to build courage when courage seems to fail, to regain faith when there seems to be little cause for faith, to create hope when hope becomes forlorn."

As prime minister, it would be my utmost duty to govern the country in such a way that it remained peaceable and ordered. Right now, there is no order, no peace. As such, I have failed in my supreme duty. So my second duty is to leave my job, voluntary, without anybody kicking me out. That is honour, because I know my action is in the best interest of the country, not that of myself or my family. By removing myself from office, I would get the country out of a jam that no one but me can solve. The country is at a dead end, and breathing in bad air; it is suffocating. My resignation would bring about much-needed breathing space, enabling the country to survive this dangerous juncture.

In submitting my resignation, I would ask all the conflicting parties to stand down, and that the election be postponed until such time that the country is genuinely ready. There is no good reason to burn another Bt3,800 million for nothing. Taxpayers and others have seen enough of their money go up in smoke.

I would explain to those pushing blindly for an election despite the political mess, that they have it all wrong. A free and fair election is the result, not the cause, of democratic principles. An election in and by itself is meaningless unless democratic principles are in place. These are the principles of transparency, equality of all citizens, functional independent institutions, respect for the rule of law, and a separation of powers with adequate check-and-balance mechanisms.

There are good reasons why people yearn for real democracy, but an election is not even a sufficient condition of democracy. Despite holding general elections, many developing countries remain as undemocratic as love and money. An elected dictator is not an oxymoron. Under such regimes, leaders treat their countrymen as simpletons.

I would then ask people of all stripes to learn from Nelson Mandela. First, treat your enemies with respect and empathy. Mandela described apartheid as the denial of basic respect for black people. He won the trust of both whites and blacks because he was willing to respect all alike. "My people said I was afraid," he recalled. "They said I was a coward because I reached out to the Afrikaners … They have seen the result. We have peace."

Second, like Mandela I would warn my fellow citizens that we cannot start with a blank slate. Political reform cannot start from "year zero" because there is no such thing. Mao Tse Tung and Pol Pot killed millions in vain bids to disprove this.

No, reform has to be built from common ground, no matter how small it is. And on this matter, having no position to lose, I would be totally honest with the people and admit that real reform cannot be expected from any sitting government. It is too preoccupied with daily affairs to be bothered with long-term matters like political reform. This is not to mention the lack of incentive.

Third, I would not care if people accused me of speaking on behalf of my brother and our cronies when I echoed Mandela's wise words: "Don't punish people - even when they deserve it." Mandela reportedly made pacts with many "devils". The man himself said we punish others to affirm our own moral superiority. He affirmed his by forgiving them. I would then leave it to my people to think for themselves, and decide how they want to do it.

Finally, in signing my resignation, I would attempt to assure myself once more - it is so difficult to be completely convinced of this - that nobody is irreplaceable. This age-old adage is worth repeating. Mandela said it, as did William Clay Ford, Jr, who pulled his great grandfather Henry's auto empire back from the brink.

I would also remind myself (and my brother, if he allowed me) of the warning Ford Jr delivered in 2005 - that he had watched smart, intelligent leaders go soft after listening to their yes-men. Ford said what really scared him was a lifetime witnessing CEOs start to believe in their own infallibility amid the coaxing of their sycophants. This happens to many good people, I would reflect, not exclusively to me, or my family and followers. It was easy for us to forget to be humble. It was deeply cutting to hear the Army chief say, "If there were no wounds on the cow's back, the crows would not hover over it." But after a brief moment of reflection, I think he got the point.

In bidding farewell to the public, I would tell them that I prefer to resign rather than sitting tight in my prime minister's chair watching my countrymen tearing each other apart, spilling blood over the land we all call home. I prefer to let go of my grip on power, because that is the only honorable thing left to do at this juncture as a leader. Our national wounds, inflicted by all sides, are so deep and wide that healing will take a Herculean effort on everybody's part. My resignation would be the beginning of that long and arduous healing process, with many bumpy spots down the road.

In this final moment of my time in the office, I would know it was irrelevant to even think about pride and dignity. As Confucius pointed out, a wise man has dignity without pride; a fool has pride without dignity.

I would let history be my judge.

what a disgrace for Nelson Mandela to use him in this an argument. Nelson Mandela had a counter part in the apartheid regime which was willing to give up privileges. Nelson was fighting for the poor against the white elite. How he draws similarities the poor are the reds and now the poor have taken the power. With S the elite is trying to get the power back. Where are the parallels to Nelson or is he implicating that S is Thailand's Nelson Mandela.

The power struggle in Thailand is more who has access to governmental found to gain personnel wealth on both sides.

This article is another example of the Nation's way of journalism.

If the S succeed that only intelligent people can vote this guy has no chance to vote anymore.

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I always wonder why the present government or the future one will not engage TV as the major consultant. With the bundled know how inside knowledge it must be an asset to everybody.

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"follow HM King Bhumibol's speech which advised Thais to perform their duty and live together peacefully".

Now would that be the most decent and respectful thing Suthep? Tell your little temper tantrum throwing thugs to go home and live in peace as you have been asked to do.

Show some respect

Yes because this article is about Suthep... Blah blah blah...

It's not about Suthep??? hello are we awake here, or we knocked out on Tramadol.... The story thus far, succinctly you only have really the people of good old Krungthep that are marching up and down and their central and southern relatives that are stomping their feet. Have you thought of the rest of the nation? The virtual backbone? Obviously not, have you thought of what damage Suthep is going to cause and has caused thus far from a fiscal point of view and even in terms of lives? I think not. In fact, dont think there is much thinking happening on this post at all.... Maybe some one should go back to sleep, and yes it would be good for all involved to follow his HRM's advice. Well said chooka.

Well cricket nut I would think Suthep has done the Thai people a service by taking the honey pot away from the PTP. Now lets try to stay on topic

Until now the honey is still with PTP but if S will be successful where will it go, most probably to his bosses whose are waiting to get it back.

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Most probably I missed something, I thought a parliament is there to change, establish modify laws. To vote for change the constitution of the upper house to make it fully elected is against the constitution because it would alter the constitution. To monitor if changes or newly laws are in line with the constitution is the task of the constitutional law which will send the proposal to the parliament with the interpretation and the parliament has to modify the law until it meets the constitution. How can a court reject the basic rights of the parliament to establish laws. I must have missed something.......

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I have a marriage visa to get a work permit is not a problem. I thought a retirement visa will not allow you to get a work permit. The only problem which I have is to get a work permit because the salary is not reaching 50K as I want to use the option 400K on the bank or 40k monthly income or any combination. But the labour department told me that I have to earn 50k monthly to be entitled for a WP

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All the posters from western democracies when they get to Thailand chuck it out the window in support of coups, forgetting about their own roots. They are the worst kind of hypocrits!

My country has never had a government as corrupt and incompetent as this one. If it did, I'd want a coup there too.

Not sure where you come from but many countries had their share in corruption but for sure for incompetence. Where you see the corruption (more than before) incompetence I agree!

Why you think a military coup is the best solution and not a election? Do you really think a military coup will change the system it will only put it on hold and than it will be back to square one may be with different actors. Sustainable changes can be only done with democratic tools as you can see from the past in Thailand where each coup brought also changes in the constitution.

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The objective of Khun S were from the beginning personnel oriented as a vendetta against the Shin Family. He and his supporters have planned this whole exercise for some longer time. That the main guys in the back have selected Khun S as the main figure is not so clear for me. A guy who does not have the reputation to be Mr. Clean. I am sure that the big boys in the back are happy with his performance but only recently his demands are getting out of control, it becomes the demand of a guy which now is over confident. Demanding that the police obeys his rules, putting everybody who is not of his opinion under a spell, asking the PM to live Thailand etc. can be only described as the output of a damaged brain.

The damage done to the image of Thailand will put the development of Thailand back few years. It's easy to lose the trust but it will be difficult to built it back. Not all means are allowed to reach a objective. Still Thailand has a legal system to deal with situation.

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For The caretaker Governments it is a loose loose situation. Asking for interference could mean that police and military would not follow the order or a bloody escalation could follow, which would than be also used against the government. Doing nothing show the situation as a lame duck, not having the power to intervene.

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My gf gave me 2000 Baht the other day and sent me off to have a few beers for a couple of days.

The money is fast running out though....what should I do?

Only can tell what you should not do Don't go home to early as may be there will be a different face where normally your face should be.

2000baht for a couple of days? Is not even enough for a bar fine

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Quote but she chose the perfect guy to go with, her mum and dad loves me sooo much? the dads talking to her again, I am a crazy country boy, who can sleep any where u put me and will eat anything u put in my mouth unquote

Let me guess why mum and dad loves u so much hmmmm may be you look like Brett Pit or they are thinking that they have now a Farang cow to milk

But still wish you good luck enjoy as much as you can

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The people who really want the change in government are the industrialist which need a government in place to maintain their wealth. Corruption was and most probably will be a matter of daily life in Thailand for some more time. Corruption and bribery gets the economy going in developing countries. Everybody talk about vote buying by shin knowingly that both sites do it for generations already. The difference was that T used funds to put into the north and therefore get the votes back as a thank you. The programs initiated by T are not bad as each human being should have medical care, education etc.

A change on the top will not change much as you could see the last time the democrats have taken over the government. In matter of fact the country had it best growth under T.

S will do its work as ordered will take hostage a whole city as long he will not interrupt the industrial production he will be ok. Why he never organized a general strike in Thailand because that would hurt his bosses.

Let him change the place of his center as often he wants.

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Just wondering how this guy can make such a statement. He represents the law? Or does he mean 'abduction'? Or 'lynching'?

He make the statement with the authorization as Suthep

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Yet another delusional, borderline hysterical piece from The Nation. Will they ever stop with the gross exaggerations, half-truths, deceit, obfuscation, manipulation? This is meant to be a newspaper with some reasonable sense of balance and proportion, even in an op-ed piece, rather than a full on rant giving a very lop-sided view of the situation. Not worth the paper its written on. God forbid that anyone would actually ever buy the rag.

I thought it was very well written, perhaps because of not finding too many truthful press stories over the decades. What by the way do find wrong with the article, it clearly notes the bullshit amnesty bill to allow convicted and pending corruption figures to be freed. also the fact that the then ruling party tried to manipulate the senate and then spat the dummy. Please again enlighten me if I,ve missed anything and I,m not talking about Tax evasion, Murder of innocents,land grabs

Well written it is bias naive and it is absurd for a news paper a disgrace of journalism no facts only personnel opinion that what this is.

By the way the amnesty bill would have benefitted both sides and may be could be a good start for reconciliation, only had to exclude TS from it. Wait after the democrats will get the power or any other government as puppets on the string will take over a new amnesty will be drafted and tabled to release Suthep from the hook.

If they would show this whole story as a soap opera everybody would most probably say that this is the worst script ever, but here it is Reality. The country is spit in two groups with nearly each site same percentage. In this way you will never get it all the way as one side want it. It would be the ideal situation for a working democracy strong government with a strong opposition. Where all decision will be reflected in the next election. What is Thailand making out of it, a situation which can be only accepted by one side, this will go on for ever. The reds will not accept whatever happens next as their elected government will be taken away and so on.

It is a shame that the oldest party in Thailand with the name which should indicate their program is not following democratic pattern.

Nobody will be able to rule a country against the masses, sorry S also you have to learn that may be the hard way.