sdshaman

Bitcoin and other crypto is legal to invest in,  in Australia.  You should have nothing to worry about even if you use your pension payments to buy it.  It is very risky like any regular stock,  but if you follow a few rules you may be able to have luck profiting from it.  As others have said if you do profit from the sale of bitcoin,  you are under the obligation of your countries taxation laws.  Here are some basics you should consider if this is the path you decide to take.  Don't just go all in and start buying crypto! Study charts and watch news and see how the numbers are affected.  They Definitely follow somewhat of a pattern.  Consider dollar cost average when making purchases.  If you are not sure what that is you should study a little and find out.  You should also pay attention to what is called the "fear greed" index.  Watch this for a few and you may see a correlation.  If you have money in crypto you will understand it even better!  I use an app called coinbase. It is easy to use and makes it very easy for you to see exactly what you are doing.  Follow this link to download it and if you do you will get $10usd of free bitcoin when you make a purchase of $100usd or more - coinbase.com/join/bachar_37o?src=android-link

You can also mine a potential new crypto on your phone for free.  There is no catch and it will help you understand how crypto is minded.  It is called Pi. You have to be invited to be able to mine it so use this link and my invitation code. https://minepi.com/Jthunder and use my username (Jthunder) as your invitation code.

Choke dee and if you have questions feel free to ask.  
 

When you purchase crypto you have to store your purchase in a crypto wallet. From that wallet you can make transfers to other wallets. This is the process in a nutshell, and I have no experience transferring out of Thailand, or purchasing from a Thai bank. I do believe that if you used your "visa deposit" to purchase crypto that is would no longer be held for your visa. I would consult with your bank and ask them if there will be any problems making crypto purchases.

Coinbase is an app that makes it easy to purchase crypto. You will need the banks routing number and your account number. Not sure if it supports Thai banks, but it's worth a try! If you use this link and make a purchase, they will give you $10USD worth of Bitcoin.

coinbase.com/join/bachar_37o?src=android-link

In the mean-time you can mine "PI" crypto on your phone. It's an easy process and doesn't use up your phones resources.

https://minepi.com/Jthunder 

You need to be invited to the app to use it, use Jthunder as your invitation code

Thai Style!

The father called me. I am running out of minutes on my phone so I tell him I will come see him. He readily agrees... I wasn't expecting that. I walk to their shop with my recorder going so I could record the conversation. Don't ask me for it because I will never give it to anyone.

To my surprise everyone is there, includig A. She half smiled at me when I walked in the door. I wasn't quite sure what to expect when I walked in, and now with everyone there I really didn't know what to expect. They sat me down in a chair and they all sat down around me. I didn't see any knives so I felt safe.

The father picked up his Ipad and said "I write for you" He handed it to me... There was about a half of a page of text. I scroll through it and it was about what I expected to see. He mostly talked about the remaining balance that I agreed to pay them and how upon completion everyone could be happy. I read it ten or twelve times to make sure I understood every word. "what have I got myself back into? Should I just pay it and continue this relationship?" I handed it back really not knowing much more than when I walked in the door. Then A grabbed it and pulled up another page. "Here is my decide". I grabed the I pad and read through 2 pages of text. Hers said just the opposite that her fathers said. I handed it back and said "I am confused because these say two different things?" Hers talked about how she decided she wanted to rethink the relationship and they were going to give me the money back.

Wait? I thought to myself, These people are for real? maybe I do want to be in this relationship? Did I just completely F up?

I told them I didn't understand and A grabbed the Ipad because she had not read her fathers note. A spoke to her father and then he spoke "We are going to do this because we want to all be friends again like we were before the engagement". Her mom pulled out the money and gold neclace that I had bought A.

Should I stop this and go thru with the relationship? Now I feel terrible... and releived... I don't want to loose this special girl...

They handed me the goods and a note that said what was happening. We both held it with the goods on display and took a picture together smiling.

What is happening? I can't believe this? What did we just do? What did I Just do?

A spoke "We can be good friends and I not look for another. If you find another it ok if you take her I say is ok. I am young now. When I age more and can take care of myself, then I can take care of you. if you are ready we can make agreement again".

What? What just happened? Did she just say what I think she said? How do I stop the tears that are forming in my eyes? (f off, I am human and have feelings OK) What do I say? How do you respond to that?

I don't know what was racing more my mind or my heart?

Now I feel completely terrible! What did I just do to this girl? I know her heart is broken... how come I am crying and she isn't? I am a complete idiot! I don't deserve to be in a relationship with her... But wait? the things I was confused about were real?? But I did f up a couple of times because I didn't trust the situation. I can't change the past. man up a little.

Then she said "If you want to still come with my family when we vacation you are welcome"

What? She just did it again!!! I was expecting to get stabbed, and we are back to the warm friends we were before the engagement a week ago?? How is this possible??

It was like time was reset!

Everyone was smiling and happy.

A said "you ok mai"

I had to shake my head because I could not speak.

A got up and walked to the back room she ran to this morning. My eyes and nose were out of control so I got up to go take care of myself. when I was done I called to her and she came from the room. I told her I wanted to buy her a gold necklace to repay your kindness.

"A gift from a friend"

She turned and walked into another room. I got up and followed her and saw that she was wiping her eyes "finally " I thought. The tears were out of control like I have never seen her cry before. She saw me and turned away from me. Trying to keep myself composed I told her to just say yes. she looked at me, tears flowing from both her eyes, she could not speak."just say yes... just say yes... just say yes". She looked at me completely composed (except for the tears flowing) "yes"

I had to walk away because I could not take it any more.

She walked over to me tears still in full flow, dripping on her now soaked dress.

"Why do you cry? are you not happy?"

I couldn't respond, I couldn't talk, I could barely keep myself from completely breaking down.

I grabbed my phone and opened my text app and wrote...

"I cry because I love you!"

I think we should all chip in and have him do this movie. Admit it, it would be cool. Sent from my SM-N9005 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Probably a book and a movie. The title will be the last sentance of the conclusion probably, (in case anyone wants to look for the full story next year)

I will admit, I did come to Thailand only to meet this girl. The movie maker I am, I wanted to get something from here to make a movie about. I didn't know what or have any plans. I just shoot footage all the time and invent things as I go. Up to this point I just had footage of nothing special really. I brought one of my other films to edit while I am here and figured that is all I would get out of this trip. Nothing else was really panning out into any kind of story that I would produce. This one is right up my alley!

Just a final spell chek and I will send it.....

Sorry for the late reply but I have been at a celebration with this family that I am part of.

We BBQ pork and then A and I drove around town on a scooter looking for something good for desert. I wasn't into the BBQ liver but the pork was good.

Before I really tell you the conclusion I want to thank everyone for the moral support, good and bad posts alike. I think that I gained some knowledge but mostly everyone giving me their input and expertise (lol) really helped me through this situation.

Yes I am a movie maker and a script writer, but that wasn't the purpose of this thread. It may very well be the conclusion of it but not the purpose. I have worked on 5 marvel films and about 30 other movies most of ones you all have seen I am sure. I also have several independant films I have directed and produced. Unfortunately I am not going to reveal my name for you to verify. Just know that when you watch your favorite recent Marvel film, my hands were all over the making of it. OK enough about me

There are two posts that I want to especially thank and point out. If you want names you will have to find them because I have too much to write to tell you the story.

"If you think you understand Thai tradition. You don't understand Thai tradition"

And another one that mentioned that the responses from the single guys is the reason that they are single.

When you hear what happened some of you are going to realise you are #$^@$'s, me included.

Those that gave the most positive responses will probably shed a tear.

Those in suspense will hopefully be entertained... Those that complained about this thread and wanted it shut down.. What are you doing still reading? did I get to you also? LOL

The conclusion to this story is in an ebook and you can buy it for 200 Baht on www.......

Just kidding, but wouldn't that be brilliant?

Don't worry I would never due that to such a captive audience that helped me though this... whatever it was! The conclusion will be in a seperate post...

OP. You keep trying to figure out what her feelings are. You know already. I mean, enough is enough. Stop the flowers, the notes, the ipad views, the skype crap.

If I was there, I would bitch-slap you by now.

I am guessing you are one of the single guys...

Not trying to be nosy or anything, but have you ever had sex with this girl yet? As innocent as you describe her, she would have sex with you after you got married if she loves you. If its a scam, the parents likely told her not to so that they can sell her again afterwards for a higher amount.

No I did not. She is not that kind of girl. I am not interested in that kind of girl really. That is why I am not here for the bar girls! Some people have morals and some people have aids!

And no I didn't dangle any money in her face before I came to cm. We never talked about money at all.

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So I just met with the family again. We all sat down and talked face to face. There were some misunderstandings and I was finally able to use one of them to tell them that is why I thought it was important for us to have time alone to talk and learn how to communicate better with each other. I don't know if everyone is tiered of this story yet? So if anyone here is interested in the outcome. .. let me know...

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So I've kinda lost track of this. If you walk away right now how much money and gold has it cost you? Just wondering.

Right now 1/2 bat gold, less the ring loss after I return it. maybe 10k in gifts and dinners and 80k baht in cash but they said they were going to give me some back. We will see... They have done a lot for me and bought me things too so whatever on any loss. Not that big of a deal to me. If they do not give me any back I will be reporting them to whoever I can as internet scammers. Unless a lot of people here on this forum think htat I shouldn't??? Any thoughts?

So you gave 100k baht to these people that you have never met before on your first trip. Even if you are the first mark they are doing pretty well from it.

And 30k salary a month to work in a salon is bull plop too. That's expat teacher money. For a salon worker in Isaan it's more like 6k baht plus meals.

Let us know what the outcome of getting your money back is. Forget any ramification against them if or when you don't.

Thinking back now that you mention first hit... Early on in our engagement talks and earlly on in our other talks we had there was a mention of another guy that was trying to "buy" her. The story goes that he offered close to the full sin sod but mother didn't approve him... I wonder how much they got from him?? or if that was just part of their used car sales pitch...

So I've kinda lost track of this. If you walk away right now how much money and gold has it cost you? Just wondering.

Right now 1/2 bat gold, less the ring loss after I return it. maybe 10k in gifts and dinners and 80k baht in cash but they said they were going to give me some back. We will see... They have done a lot for me and bought me things too so whatever on any loss. Not that big of a deal to me. If they do not give me any back I will be reporting them to whoever I can as internet scammers. Unless a lot of people here on this forum think htat I shouldn't??? Any thoughts?

I agree with that lot of the answers to OP that suggest a good amount of scepticism for a Sin Sot demand of 5 million bath, especially as the family from the OP’s description does not seem like middleclass, or perhaps even lower middleclass. I will, as a couple of other posters, recommend reading the book “Thailand Fever” (se more at thailandfever.com); and also Phil Nicks’ book “Love Entrepreneurs” (Monsoon 978-981-05-9211-0).

It is polite Thai custom that the one who is “rich” – who the farang/foreigner often is considered as – or of highest social rank (money moves one up the list) pick-up the bill; meaning it’s natural to expect that you will pay. Often Thais will be very generous, as this is a way to make face. A proper lady will always bring a chaperon. Dating (with chaperon) may be a long time process, can even take years.

When it comes to Thai tradition I have experienced both expensive engagement presents of several bath of gold and sometimes diamond jewels – can also include an amount of cash money – and rings. Isaan little up-end farm family engagement can easily cost some 50,000 baht in gold.

For marriage Sin Sot a plain farmer family will pay from 40,000 baht and up, more likely around 100,000 baht, plus an agreed amount of gold, which can be two bath and more. When it comes to more middleclass Thai weddings the Sin Sot will be a million bath and up, plus gold and diamonds.

Furthermore the groom (or groom’s family) will normally pay for the wedding party, which can be quite costly when including several hundred guests – I’ve been to a middleclass Thai-Thai wedding with several thousand guests.

The above is based on the number of Thai-Thai weddings I have been invited to. The attached photo (I have cropped the faces away) is from a typical Thai middleclass (presumably lower middle class) wedding in 2013; there are 100,000 baht in each bundle, I could count 12 (1.2 million), and an unknown amount of gold and diamonds, including what’s hanging on the bride.

You will always be in the risk of being scammed or “just a bank” – which may also be question of your cultural baggage, where it for some foreigners is a scam every time that money to family or Sin Sod is raised – in my opinion it’s a questions of how much one is willing to follow local culture and tradition; personal limits; and never loosing your head, meaning think clearly with both feet solid planted on the ground.

Again, he should discuss a Thai pre-nuptial agreement with either an American or British expat, who is licensed to practice law in Thailand. There are several in the Chiangmai vicinity. Of course there is one bloke, on this forum, who would be oddly @ a "loss" for words on this, as well. Duh

Here's the thing, a pre-nuptial agreement, by definition, must be signed and agreed before vows are exchanged, there's a clue in the prefix "pre". Since the young lady and her family require in excess of 5 million to be given to the family in order to marry, a prenup. can't sensibly defend that money! As for protecting other funds via this method: the OP would only need to leave such monies offshore in order to do so and since the lady in question appears to be very young and not have any assets, I wonder what benefit a prenup might be in attempting to recover or limit the OP's future costs.

I personally feel its gone way beyond an opportunity for a Pre Nup.Sounds like the situation hasnt improved at all, but above all else, and no matter what anyone else has said, trust your instincts mate. I know it must be hard, but experiencing some pain and hurt now, may save you from so much more in the future. Just some observations from reading this highly interesting thread;

1. Being happy with 10 mins of her time per day is crazy man. Most of Thai Ladies I have been in relationships with want to be touchy and feely, they want YOU to feel cared for, respected and if true, loved. Her Behaviour is obvious that she doesn't seem to hold many positive feelings towards you. Respect, honesty, integrity, love,passion should be coming in waves from both of you.Certainly after travelling half way round the world! Afterall this should be the honeymoon period in your relationship!

2. The Truth Hurts. I have been stung once by a beautiful Thai Lady. Not in a money sense, in a "loss" sense. Basically she was involved in things which could potentially bring her harm, I thought I could be the one to "save" her. Due to a differing opinion on morality over something specific, we ended our relationship. It was pretty awefull, having to fly home after everything thing that went down, I must say this. Your own Principles and beliefs are one thing.As any decent westerner in Asia would do, you try and respect the local culture and customs. Understanding Thai Traditions and the way Thai People think/work/operate is of vital importance. I have met some amazing friends over here, all of whom I believe to be completely trustworthy, however there are always going to be difference of priorities/opinions, especially when east meets west. My point is, never forget your own beliefs and Traditions.It sounds like you have done everything in your power to remedy the situation, (which is the decent thing to do of course), and most Thai people would see this and understand the respect you have tried to give, but heres' the thing, Scammers and players do not care. Truth be told , it doesnt sound like she is the one playing, it sounds like her Family are using her as a cash "cow", by tempting Farang(s) like you to come and show your heartfelt warmth and love and spend your hard earned £€$ in Thailand on them.

3. This may sound bonkers, but if at all possible, try not to take it personally.To them its purely business (if totally unethical and/or illegal). Thai woman are extremely easy to fall in love with. Be very careful with any internet relationship. I know you prob dont want to hear any of these comments, but Red flags are flying dude. Trust your gut instinct.

I hope it all works out for you.

Yes. Red flags all over. It is sad that people will hurt their own families here just to make a couple of bucks. When I was returning from er grandparents new years eve was when I really started wondering. We were all laughing in the car, her and I were in the back seat. She was being suggly with me. I fell asleep and woke up to her sitting up, not touching me, and her mom deep i serious talk. I wondered what could have happened that made the laughter become so serious. When we arrived back at her moms shop, her parents went somewhere and she sat down across from me and ask me "what do you think of my grandparents?" I told her that they seamed like nice people. She was holding her ipad up in front of her face looking at a picture of them. I noticed tears falling on her chest. Now this was the third time I saw her cry. Once when she was hesitating to tell me about the dowry amount, once when she was breaking the news to me that we could not hang out any more unless we were engaged, and now. This time was different. She was able to wipe off the other two pretty quick (told me not to ever email her about it... screened emails??) This time the tears were pouring out. I went over to her to try and comfort her but she just faced away from me and tried to make it stop. I asked her what was wrong. It took her a second but then she said "I don't want my grandparents to be sad, they have a good feel for you". I thought about this and the serious talk in the car and this is when I decided to close the ATM. I knew something was wrong because she was crying like we just broke up, acting like it too! This is also when she told me that she would be to busy to spend any time with me outside of the shop. Something was majorly wrong! The next day was when the talk came up that she was going to start working at a different shop. She wanted to know how I felt about that. Now I look back and see that was a little out of timing because their plan was to tell me that the next day. When I asked her about it she said nevermind. The next day is when her parents told me that they wanted her to go work at this other shop to learn some new skills and gain responsability. This is also the day we were sapposed to go get the remaing gold promised at the engagement.

Now that all this has transpired I see the plan and how there were a few mistakes in it. Mostly here tipping me off, maybe she really liked me but their plan was to rip me off regardless.

When she asked me to take her for the gold I said no we need to talk. She said I am too busy to talk...

The next day I said we need to talk agai so she sat me down and said "what you wanna talk about?"

She quickly grew impatient when I was just wanting to talk and make conversation, talking about future plans, etc, etc.

She told me again with a questionable look on her face. "maybe I go work in another shop from 9-9 and I never see you"

This is when this thread started.

Yesterday the break up happened because I wouldn't pay 30,000 baht to replace her job, pay for a trip for her family to the sea, or buy her the gold to complete engagement.

After the breakup she skyped me right away begging me not to go. But then mom interjected or something because she became demanding.

This morning I decided to continue to see what would happen if I persued the relationship (with no intention of actually doing that)

I bought her some flowers (100 baht) and attached a note to them. Told her I will be back in 1.5 hours if she wanted to talk. I waited until they were at the shop to take them there. My plan was to set them on the table outside with the note and walk away. As I approached the table I saw her inside. She quickly got up and ran into the back room.... ???

I set the flowers down with the note and went about my plans. When I got back to her shop, she wasn't there (or hiding in the back room, I was pretty much on time). I looked inside and saw her father sitting on the couch. He smiled so I entered. Wai's were exchanged and he invited me to sit. I asked him if A read my note. He said "I think it not good". I told him to have her skype me. He said he would speak for her.

Fishy just got fishier...

I skyped him telling him I was on skype but he hasn't answered. I am going to confront him in a little while if he does not answer me back on skype. I really feel like saying nasty things to him about the manipulation that is going on but I know that will not matter to his programming. I will post any reply I get from him when and if I do... Just because I know people here are interested!

sorry mate but its time to call her bluff, ask for your money back and just see how far you get. This is no longer even worth following, you are repeating posts every page, either you do what you know is right or you just dwell in your own shit, you have been given some good advice and some bad advice but you continually keep ignoring it, either you are full of it or you are trolling, sort yourself out and use your balls, stop being a naieve idiot

I do not know why you say I am ignoring advice? I used the advice of this thread and made my decision! I am sorry I responded to a few people with the same answer...

I have to be perfectly honest with you, I should have not wasted my time writing on this thread. You don't honestly seem like a late 30's man, you seem like a young boy who has mistaken love for rejected attachment. By listening to people on this thread in many cases, you will become more confused. We are only reading what you have detailed and even this may have been lost in translation and then to add you are reading threads from people who have experienced good and bad relationships but mainly bad. You either live in love or fear, its that simple. Do not misunderstand this, don't be foolish and blind on the way. You seem like you have far too many doubts now, my best advice is to deal with this with your own heart, your intuition will lead you, you just have to follow it!

Totally agree.

If you are 'shopping' for a cheaper life long partner, the expectation differs.

Eg . Nearly everybody owns a pair of jeans. Some jeans at those factory outlets cost less than usd 10.

If you shop in high end boutiques with famous brands, it is going to cost you 10 x times or more.

So, if you equates love with cash - same thinking as the girl's family side, there is no end to it.

My advise is if you can afford, go for it and have a 'quality' life partner. How long the relationship last depends on how both of you make it work.

If you find the deal is just so expensive, walk away like a shopper and source elsewhere.

Ps

If you raise a kid for 19 yrs, you'll know how much is invested - both money , love and emotions. So take the asked dowery & other wedding expenses and divide by the years and it is actually nothing after converting into your home currency.

Maybe for those that wanted to make a profit out of such weddings, try to find a wealthy Indian bride and you may not grumble so much!

I find it rather depressing how some Falang grooms to be can be such cheap Charlie!

Can they even afford a 'Mail order bride' in their own country before coming to Thailand?

It wasn't about cheap charlie so much as it was she would never make time to be with me! If she would show affection and spend ten minutes a day with me I would not care about money!

This has setup written all over it.Get out while you can.Would you do this in the west,you have your traditions too you know,it is not a one way steet.

haha, but it is only a one way street... theirs! Like a couple of other posts mentioned, My concerns fly right past them like they never even her. Only thing running is their program. And they just see me as a talking buffalo.

This has setup written all over it.Get out while you can.Would you do this in the west,you have your traditions too you know,it is not a one way steet.

She said that if I pay for a worker to replace her (30000 baht for the month) that she would spend every day with me. Last time she mentioned this it was only 20,000??? I actually offered to do that and then she said that she didn't trust worker understand her mother. So always an excuse!

Chick who cuts my hair in Bangkok is good. She gets 12k a month and tips on top. Your GF is trying to get more cash from you. Just walk away man. Go find a new one

yeah I did that! then she quickly texted me wanting me to come back. Said that if I bought her a baht of gold that she would take the day off tomorrow to spend with me. lol

This has setup written all over it.Get out while you can.Would you do this in the west,you have your traditions too you know,it is not a one way steet.

She said that if I pay for a worker to replace her (30000 baht for the month) that she would spend every day with me. Last time she mentioned this it was only 20,000??? I actually offered to do that and then she said that she didn't trust worker understand her mother. So always an excuse!

It's a positive sign things could be working out, a months salaries probably worth around 10k. Before when you asked her to spend a day with you she said she'd do it for 2 months salary. Now she's implying that she'd be happy to give up 12 hour days in the shop and spend time with you but she wants twice the money as her current job.

Yeah, because her mom woulnt work, she would vacation with the money. She would have to OTW the girl would still be worried sick all day that her mom wasn't being taken care of.

The irony is if you didn't give her any money, tried harder to "finger" her during alone time and sneered at her mum every-time she opened her fat mouth this girl would find you both mysterious and exotic.

The real trick to winning a Thai girls heart is to negate everything they say with ไม่ Mai (not or no). "go eat rice"..."not go eat rice", "pay money family"... "not pay money family"...

-here's where it get's complicated, but the words start to touch her heart: "you not love me, you not care me"..."I not not love you, I not not care you".

A double negative as shown in the statement above, confirms a neutral to mildly positive state of affection towards her but leaves room for her to try and win you around.

You have to keep her in this state whereby she's trying to win you around for the term of your relationship or it's game over.

Disclosure: prefer wanking, hands don't talk back

she begged me to come back to the relationship. I asked her if she really wanted it and she said yes. Then she said when I was ready to come see her? wait a minute... she is begging me and then acting like I was just begging her??

Something may be getting lost in translation here .....

Just tell her you want her to come to your hotel alone for a meal so that you can talk together alone........

And see what transpires, it may just be that they don't want to return the money and want to smooth you over, use it !!!

Yeah I already did that... no reply... I told her that if she made an effort to make it feel like a relationship I would buy her all the gold she wanted. You know I could put up with her and all she is but it is when my relationship with her turns into a relationship with her mother that I can't take! We talk and everything is good, her mother barks and then she is asking for money again! Guess where their retirement just went...

This has setup written all over it.Get out while you can.Would you do this in the west,you have your traditions too you know,it is not a one way steet.

She said that if I pay for a worker to replace her (30000 baht for the month) that she would spend every day with me. Last time she mentioned this it was only 20,000??? I actually offered to do that and then she said that she didn't trust worker understand her mother. So always an excuse!

Wanting to spend quality time with someone is human nature, nothing to do with culture.... if she's avoiding that and hiding behind excuses, however plausible they may sound... then she simply isn't that bothered about spending time with you.

Good luck

This is the one nugget of truth everyone should remember. Sums up the situation with my ex Thai gf. And we met and live in the UK. If she keeps giving you excuses about why she can't do things like going for a meal, cinema, being seen with out with you in public, staying over etc then walk away now, very fast as she is hiding things from you. I took a long time to realise this.

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She says she will spend time with me at her shop or with her family... That just isn't going to work for me. I walked with a little recovery, then she quickly started begging me to come back... Said if I wanted a relationship with her I needed to spend 20,000 baht on gold for her. lol... maybe I would if she would spend 20 minutes with me!

Well, OP. 16 odd pages. What are you going to do?

I met with her family and told them that since she refuses to spend time with me alone that I was not going to open the bank anymore. She said "we can spend time together at the beach in 2 weeks. Just pay for my family to go" I told her that I wasn't going to spend money on a trip where we would have no alone time. I kind of feel like an ass but I insisted that the only way the relationship would work is if she made time for me. I told her I wasn't going to sit around CM for 10 days so we could have a family vacation... without any alone time. She gave me back the ring and asked how much of the money I wanted back. I left and then 10 minutes later she is skyping me begging me to come back to the relationship. Probably being pressed by parents i am sure. I told her I really wanted a relationship with her but it couldn't be based on money. She said OK then come buy me gold and I will take off work tomorrow.??? Sorry babe I am not going to buy you a baht of gold to spend the day with you.

The irony is if you didn't give her any money, tried harder to "finger" her during alone time and sneered at her mum every-time she opened her fat mouth this girl would find you both mysterious and exotic.

The real trick to winning a Thai girls heart is to negate everything they say with ไม่ Mai (not or no). "go eat rice"..."not go eat rice", "pay money family"... "not pay money family"...

-here's where it get's complicated, but the words start to touch her heart: "you not love me, you not care me"..."I not not love you, I not not care you".

A double negative as shown in the statement above, confirms a neutral to mildly positive state of affection towards her but leaves room for her to try and win you around.

You have to keep her in this state whereby she's trying to win you around for the term of your relationship or it's game over.

Disclosure: prefer wanking, hands don't talk back

she begged me to come back to the relationship. I asked her if she really wanted it and she said yes. Then she said when I was ready to come see her? wait a minute... she is begging me and then acting like I was just begging her??

OP-

"Please only reply if you know facts about Thai."

If somebody claims to understand the facts about Thai, they don't understand the facts about Thai.

Nice!

well I dont know where this will end but you all have to agree, with this many pages so quick the op might be trying out for post of the year and to just get in early, if he comes back with his "daddy" talk results this could go ballistic............

Here is daddy talk... Nothing went right for them. I said I needed time with her to make relationship happen and it cannot be about money. She said OK pay for trip to sea and family can all go... I said that is exactally what I am not going to do. I got ring back and money offered back. I also have her texting me to keep relationship going now. Obvious pressure from family to save their retirement fund. I told her we could talk and come to agreemet but relationship cannot be about money. Her reply... ok buy me gold and I will take off work tomorrow... hmmm... I have 20k in my pocket, I wonder what we should do tomorrow??