Fat Haggis

What car bomb? you know 100% more than the Police it was the UDD behind this?

Gimme the lottery numbers for next week mate

Dejavu.

I remember reading these same comments when I said the reds were behind burning down the government buildings up North in 2010. I remember reading these same comments when I said the rice scheme would fail and would be full of corruption. I remember reading these comments when I said the UDD were behind the grenade attacks on the PDRC. I remember reading these same comments when I said the UDD will threaten the farmers if they came out to protest in 2013…

All turned out true yet the same comments and the desperate denial still permeates the forum.

Have a lovely evening my friend and stay safe.

But no lottery numbers?

Have a good evening/night yourself young man

What car bomb? you know 100% more than the Police it was the UDD behind this?

Gimme the lottery numbers for next week mate

It's stressful to me employing Thai's to do jobs. When the builder (I use that term loosely!) was here building the new shed I lost the bottle 3 times! Twice they didn't turn up for work the next day cause I upset the poor darlings.

So don't give me the story their stressed....because they create the problem themselves with their slack attitude and shoddy work practices.

I've learned a lot over the years, the hard way, that losing the plot is totally counterproductive, especially in the Middle East.. there's a similar mindset in Thailand, maybe you just don't fully get into the "Thainess" thing 5555

I had a similar issue, charging for days they were not there, dragging the job out, I went with my wife to check on a Sala we were getting made for the monks at the local temple, my wife bless her didn't have the cojones to say anything to them, they were slow, 2 weeks late in finishing, wanted more cash for materials.. I sacked them all on the spot, told them to leave, and made sure the monks knew to stop them returning. Called in a family friend, offered him a fixed price to complete the build, he dropped the work he was doing, finished my job, sorted out a few issues, and said "call me first next time".

There's a moral to the story too, ask around first about the builders workmanship, due diligence mate

They'd be even more depressed if they read some of the crap being posted on the minimum wage thread!!

I stopped being serious after trying to comprehend why 6 people decided to vote to jump off a skyscraper ?

Now in all honesty which country that the Kool aid drinkers hail from practices all 15 principles effectively?

How can you teach the 15 principles when there's isn't really a eutopia out there that does?

Sure it's a foundation but the reality is far from it.

Making comparisons between old regimes about the 15 principles is like telling the world the Titanic was unsinkable!! There is zero benchmark to use as a baseline.

Without a doubt the PTP were rank rotten, and didn't practice many, if any, but we're talking about Western democracies as baselines and that's again comparing apples to oranges.

The interesting tidbit for me was about respecting the law..

Riding down the road to collect your 200 baht seedless watermelons without a helmet on, shows a blatant contempt for the same very laws of the land.

Given the new constitution being pushed forwards no government in Thailand will ever be able to achieve the 15 principles so there's no point is harping on about them is there?

Why would anyone take kids that would be out of their comfort zone to political speeches who are not even able to understand where babies come from, never mind the 15 principles of democracy for " daddy" to spin it into nothing more than his own hate speech?

If you knew that there were sharks swimming in the water, would you let your kids play in it ? bad parenting never mind hostility towards the Sharks is partly to blame!!

It's a it hard for the establishment to teach the 15 Principles when they're ignoring them themselves, it's like don't do as I do, do as I say!! ?

Here you go. Read and literally weep!!

http://www.kas.de/wf/doc/kas_29779-1522-2-30.pdf?111219190223

nothing unreasonable and is similar to rules in the west, thumbs up from me, nothing wrong with peaceful protest, they also need to set the rules for when it becomes nasty and enforce them

Are you leg pulling about this?

What about all these anti war protests in the UK, all the austerity marches and protests all over Europe? I don't think permission was asked nor required, and the UK Law was given pelters for their heavy handed responses to those tearing up London.

Don't you remember the riots cussed by the fatal shooting of a criminal that cost millions in damages a don't the biggest cry was about the coopers using force on them?

Europe has seen huge riots and I don't permission was asked for any of Those!!

Why would you bring in a U.S. Army sniper or even a PMC sniper, can you cite specific incidents that they had to take a shot similar to what happened here?

I would have thought that to establish the direction from where the bullets were fired from is a fairly basic exercise in forensics today>??

Did they not recover the bullets? If so then this was a very high velocity bullet, possibly a solid nose, and usually the type fired by the army.

Despite witnesses hearing the direction of the firing and the very unlikely scenario of the protesters murdering their own.....this whole thing stinks.

Are we at all surprised?? Did anyone seriously beleive that a Thai court with Thai "Judges" would want to get to the truth and point the finger at the army??

Not entirely true, using sounds to gauge where the fatal shit came from, but witness statements of where he was standing and the direction he was facing and then doing basic line of sight appreciation would give you decent idea of the firers position.

Alm they are saying as well is that it was a "high velocity" that doesn't really help as it could be any calibre between .22 and 7.62 and even larger up to .50 inch. I'm pretty sure an autopsy is quite thorough enough to be able to determine the calibre these days too.

Should it have revealed that the cause of death was a .308/.338 that kind of narrows the weapons down.....considerably and really only points to one source.

The sad part here is the family are still none the closer to finding out the truth in his death and the finger pointing will continue, even more so here!!

Aren't you overlooking the fact of the televised display of the captured military weapons on the Red stage after the Kok Wua debacle? Have you not seen the youtube vidios of Men in Black carrying military weapons?

The caliber of the bullet means nothing as there is proof that both sides had access to all calibers. When a person is struck by a large caliber bullet, off-center, it tend to cause their body to spin, more or less, and making the direction of the source nearly impossible to prove.

Face it. There simply wasn't enough conclusive evidence to prove who shot the journalist but, as a matter of world publicity, it would benefit the Red Shirts immensely if the world thought the Thai army killed him and the government stood to gain absolutely nothing from the death of any journalist. In any case, the truth in Thailand is what you want it to be and even the real truth will not bring back the life of that brave journalist.

I haven't seen any red shirts carrying .308/.338 sniper rifles and there was no reports of the army having any taken from them, I see(n) plenty of M16's ,tavors and AK47 the first two being 5.56mm and the AK is 7.62 short.

where on earth did you get the large calibre bullet causes a person to spin when hit? That's Holywood bullshit, seriously you believe it can't determine a direction of where the round came from? How many firefights have you been in to state this is what happens, it's not the calibre that Knocks people down, it's the range and the kinetic energy of the round fired which can vary depending on the manufacturer and the charge inside, some 5.56mm ammo has a bigger punch than others, same with AK ammo.

You do realise that rounds once they hit flesh and bone fragment inside the cavities they cause, and quite often these fragments can determine the calibre of the rounds used?

The article I linked on a red shirt who was shot in the head the fragments came from a calibre of sniper rifle only the army has?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/7729061/Home-made-rockets-vs-army-snipers-on-the-frontline-of-the-Thai-protests.html

You are right that the evidence was inconclusive on the reporter, who benefits more from this result? As I also said, green or red, doesn't matter the family will never know the truth.

Congratulations, a serious subject and not one poster has said " Boy, she's really HOT"

Things must be getting better on TVF.

I'd hit it

They have hire all the slaves from the over 30M ones?

I have yet to see any pictures of redshirts armed with Sniper rifles, an M16 with a scope on it isn't classed as one, and that would only be 5.56mm anyway.

But you're correct, evidence is what's needed to support that claim.

Interesting claims made here ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/7729061/Home-made-rockets-vs-army-snipers-on-the-frontline-of-the-Thai-protests.html

You are making it sound like a conspiracy theory mate, i prefer to keep options open.

you're correct about AP rounds, but they were not issued so it's a moot point, and IF they were issued to deal with crowd control that opens up a whole new can of worms indeed.

Please reply me

Nobody apart from moderators can start new topics in the news section ?

What proof is being presented that it was only red shirts who got huge payouts?

For sure if this is the case then it needs to be addressed however if non Reds received compensation it's a pretty weak case. And just another one aimed at clearing the playing fields ?

Fox Mulder and Dana Scully would have solved this in a minute, and the coolest Ginger on the planet Horatio Cain would have been all over this like a tramp on chips!!

I would have thought that to establish the direction from where the bullets were fired from is a fairly basic exercise in forensics today>??

Did they not recover the bullets? If so then this was a very high velocity bullet, possibly a solid nose, and usually the type fired by the army.

Despite witnesses hearing the direction of the firing and the very unlikely scenario of the protesters murdering their own.....this whole thing stinks.

Are we at all surprised?? Did anyone seriously beleive that a Thai court with Thai "Judges" would want to get to the truth and point the finger at the army??

Not entirely true, using sounds to gauge where the fatal shit came from, but witness statements of where he was standing and the direction he was facing and then doing basic line of sight appreciation would give you decent idea of the firers position.

Alm they are saying as well is that it was a "high velocity" that doesn't really help as it could be any calibre between .22 and 7.62 and even larger up to .50 inch. I'm pretty sure an autopsy is quite thorough enough to be able to determine the calibre these days too.

Should it have revealed that the cause of death was a .308/.338 that kind of narrows the weapons down.....considerably and really only points to one source.

The sad part here is the family are still none the closer to finding out the truth in his death and the finger pointing will continue, even more so here!!

The one source being the Army? That conveniently over looks the reality that Thai Army weapons and munitions regularly go missing even from supposed secure Army sites. And also that Thaksins chief in arms of his treason attacks on Bangkok (Sah Dueang) was also high ranking renegade Army and would have been probably able to secure the same munitions. It also conveniently overlooks that Thaksins Men in Black were also armed with heavy modern weaponry.

Remarkably some in this thread have already concluded it is the Army without the knowledge of even knowing what the calibres were or considering all the options. But then that is common for a lot on this site.

Remarkably some in this thread have already concluded it was the red shirts without the knowledge of even knowing what the calibre a were or considering all the options, But then again the is common for a lot on this site.

Are you familiar with what weapons use .308/.338 rounds?

I am and I can assure you if the redshirts had these weapons especially the with claims of the MIB, as a highly trained "military" type of unit there would have been a lot more Army fatalities, which thankfully there wasn't.

The claims they were highly trained where made by the UDD leaders and then the denying they said it commenced after they found it did not suit their agendaSigh...

Love the logic though. Because the MIB did not kill many soldiers they did not exist or were common untrained street thugs or were unarmed. The lack of fatalities on the soldiers side shows the military were correct in coming in and shutting down the terrorists when they did and Suthep and Ahbisit are to be commended for potentially saving a lot of innocent soldiers lives.

It is a sad ending to the court case though with the only light at the end of the tunnel being Tida as a representative of the 7%'ers actually respecting a court verdict instead of allowing her supporters to burn effigies of the judges or throw sh*t at the court houses. That fact alone justifies article 44.

But then, will see the court house bombed in the coming weeks.

The claims also came from forum members too Jamie, I have always maintained that these clowns from the UDD are about as inept as they come, and that completing a level on call of duty would be too hard for them never mind starting a civil war!! Not to mention keeping one going beyond 11 am in the morning !! ?

People died, both sides were using high velocity weapons, the truth will never be know who was responsible for the killing of the cameraman, his family will never know the truth whether it was red or green behind his death.

Why do you love 7% so much? Is there really 5 million UDD supporters out there ?

The Japanese seem to disagree according to the BP ?

BANGKOK: -- Among the Army's weapons confiscated by red-shirt protesters in April 2010, only one M-16 rifle has been returned to the military, the rest are still missing, Army spokesman Sansern Kaewkam-nerd said in testimony yesterday.

The missing weapons included 25 Tavor rifles, four M-16 rifles and 39 shotguns, he said in testimony before the House of Representative's sub-committee on political development and mass communication.

The weapons belonging to the Army were confiscated by red protesters during the bloody protest in April 2010. They were displayed on the red-shirts' stage at Rajdamnern Avenue on the day, he said.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/589905-military-arms-seized-by-red-shirt-protesters-missing/

None of these fire .308/.338 rounds ?

The Criminal Court Thursday announced the result of inquest into the killing of Reuters cameraman Hiro Muramoto, saying he was killed by a high-velocity bullet with unknown type and size.

Where did they say it was that type of round?

It doesn't ? that's what I'm getting at as mentioned in my prior posts high velocity doesn't tell what weapon it came from, it leaves it very open to interpretation as both sides had and used high velocity weapons.

The autopsy should have been able to gauge the calibre of the round, depending on the entry wound sized, and the various parts left behind as the round hit bone and tissue on the way through.

If they had pinpointed a calibre such as .308/.338 then only one side used these, so there wouldn't have been any doubt as to who fired the fatal rounds, but leaving it at "high velocity" neither implicates either side. ?

Why do I keep bringing up the .308/.338 issue you might add, well there are reports/claims of protestors having Been shot in the head by army marksmen/snipers and they use .308/.338 chambered weapons. As well as 5.56mm ?

BANGKOK: -- Among the Army's weapons confiscated by red-shirt protesters in April 2010, only one M-16 rifle has been returned to the military, the rest are still missing, Army spokesman Sansern Kaewkam-nerd said in testimony yesterday.

The missing weapons included 25 Tavor rifles, four M-16 rifles and 39 shotguns, he said in testimony before the House of Representative's sub-committee on political development and mass communication.

The weapons belonging to the Army were confiscated by red protesters during the bloody protest in April 2010. They were displayed on the red-shirts' stage at Rajdamnern Avenue on the day, he said.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/589905-military-arms-seized-by-red-shirt-protesters-missing/

None of these fire .308/.338 rounds ?

The source below details the amount per type of damage. There is no average 1 million compensation/head, it depends of the type of damage. Due to the high number of deads, it probably represents most of the expenses.

http://www.nationmul...s-30182791.html

Types of compensation

Killed at the scene: Bt7.75 million

Succumbed to injuries: Bt7.95 million

Disabled: Bt7.9 million

Loss of important organ: Bt4 million

Loss of unimportant organ: Bt1.95 million

Serious injury: Bt1.175 million

Not serious injury: Bt695,000

Slight injury: Bt235,000

After converting these numbers into whatever currency, I would say most of these would be similar to claims made in other countries

The numbers are extremely dissimilar to any other similar victims in this country, eg. previous protests, thousands of dead in the South, etc.

It was unprecedented at the time and has not been repeated since Yingluck and the red shirt MP's instituted these huge amounts, with nearly all claimants being red shirts.

How many yellow shirts do you know participated in the 2010 riots?

Why is it a big surprise that it was redshirts here?

I hope that those injured in the protests last year are treated similarly as in compensation wise.

If they receive e similar figures, what would be the issue?

Redshirts throw grenades. Maybe army soldiers shoot back. Journalist is next to red shirts. Journalist hit by bullets and killed. Is this murder? I don't think so, unless it can be proven he was shot by the redshirts.

Have you ever thrown a hand grenade? Unless you have an arm like Popeyes you will be lucky to throw it 50M, that means you have to get pretty close to your target.

Do you think that the army let the protestors get that close?

Rules of Engagment are what needs to be discussed here too.

Fire only aimed shots

Positively identify your target

If this camera man had a video camera up in his shoulder then from a distance it could easily look like a shoulder launched weapon, and he was shot by the army, not their fault and not his either as he wouldn't have been situationally aware of what his stance and poise looked like.

Is it murder? No not in my view either, it's only murder if the firer IF he was RTA deliberately knew he, the reporter was unarmed and posed no threat.