Fat Haggis

the reason they can't meet their demands is that the gateway is already in place

Any evidence of that, or is it just your usual nonsense presented as fact again ?. Did you just decide it yourself because your internet is slow and your posting rate has suffered ?.

If it is just a blatant lie, I would say those kind of comments are exactly what Thailand does not need. There are plenty of people here spitting froth over their keyboards in rage because they believe anything they are told if it suits them.

Nope it came from a leaked memo from the PM instructing the gateway to be in place by 30 September 2015 way back in July.

If you took your head out of other people's sphincters the information about this is out there. Do your own research !!

As for people spitting rage have you actually read posters here have noticed a significant change in their internet speeds in the past couple of weeks, are you calling them liars then?

Have you bothered reading other forums with regards to the same issues people are starting to notice?

And lastly I'm over seas so it's not my connection that sucks, but before I had no issues connecting with home via Skype or cover, now my wife keeps having connection issues via tru-move. So once again you post complete and utter drivel.

Let's face it guys. It's already in, he will argue that it's still in the planning stage whilst continuing topulling the wool over everyone's eyes, you were all warned where things were heading, and didn't believe it.

Has anyone personally noticed a drastic change in their internet connection in recent weeks? frequent drop outs, slower than normal/usual?

A mate of mine who is a business man in Bangkok seems to think his connections have been degraded significantly much slower than normal, and has only happened in the last two to three weeks.

all he's doing is paving the way to give amnesties to all the PDRC protester leadership who broke various laws during their campaign.

He does however seem to agree that for reconciliation to be seen as an olive branch, unfortunately such amnesties may well be the only way to mover the country forwards and close the huge gap that still exists politically, and socially.

Should Thaksin ever be given one? not a chance, it would simply be back to square one, but some people need to be prepared for such a possibility, as the change that will come when the inevitable happens, may see to this.

Anyway, that's for the Thais to decide, their rules, their laws, their flaws and their mistakes.

Though I was reading a historical novel then. Finally the nation gets to its point at the end. So another theory from the nation?

It was an excellent article. You should have seen where this article was going from its outset. Drawing parallels between the past and present can be a very effective means of raising awareness.

so that's why there's been 19 coups then since 1932?

isn't he forgetting that she's still to be been found guilty, well technically that's true via the courts, but it's as obvious to anyone that she'd already been deemed guilty by the Junta, impartial trials ? hardly.

The abuse of power is strong in this one!

the reason they can't meet their demands is that the gateway is already in place

just a simple question to the sycophants, why was Martial Law not rescinded in the North East , instead replaced by an even tougher article 44, if everything was rosy in the country?

Why does article 44 still exist, if not to curb dissent among st the population ?

FH is attacking the poster because he can't attack the issue successfully and he's dreaming that his pet hate of the current government is in fact supported by large numbers of Thai's everywhere - heads up, there's large numbers of farang expats that have lived here for many years, have large extended Thai families, have many Thai friends and are at least on talking terms with those people to understand the direction of the barometer. If I were you I'd check and see what's really in that "cocoa" of yours!

The issue is that the Junta have claimed on more than one occasion there's restlessness coming from red shirt areas is it not?

So let me understand that gingjag see's and hears nothing could be further from the truth and that's believable because he "smothers" UD, and sgtsabai, and a couple of others hear a different slant, but that's not believable?

You keep on about me attacking the poster, well I've also repeatedly stated that it's ALSO the JUNTA who seem to be seeing a similar issue of discontent within the North East, but you conveniently ignore this too.

no agenda there then is there?

I also don't believe that people including farangs have a desire to see a return to violence, which has already been pointed out, and I simply do not believe that ANY farang will draw people towards him willing to start discussing their personal problems, never mind politics with complete strangers.

When poor people are pushed to the brink of economic hardship with no end in sight and seeing their votes violated by yet another coup and their elected members of the government unfairly muzzled and charged, anger is only natural. Now it seem that the educated middle class are beginning to be angry too with the state of the economy, suppression and more attempts to control their freedom of expression. Will this rising anger erupt into political violence? No, I doubt it. Thais know that the military is ruthless and will never back off. History tells it all.

Most likely they will wait and see this through and manifest their anger at the next election. History will repeat with another resounding beating of the rightist parties like the Dem Party.

But I do see some cracks in the military government and time will tell if there will be a change of PM. There always discontent in the military regarding promotions and factions. The performance of PM may also be a cause of change as he losing support from the people who back him to stage the coup.

Reality here in Thailand------People have always been on the brink of hardship.

Especially when the farmers did not get paid BEFORE the problems started---FACT.

Yingluck and here PTP party --quote "unfairly muzzled and charged-----UNFAIRLY after all they did illegally. ???

The middle class are not happy because the economy is a world wide problem---didn't you know, not just a Thai problem. OMG

Freedom of expression OMG, more freedom than when Thaksin controlled the media---Comparison.

And you people have this audacity to say I have an agenda-----there is only about 10 of you on TVF that repeatedly put this view YOU have just posted---

Suppose the vast majority of old regular posters must be wrong. If I was in a minority without too much to shout about --I would be shy.

Exaggerate much? Don't bother answering, there's a lot more than 10 people who comment about restrictions on media, have you bothered looking at the threads about the single gateway? A damn sight more than 10 posters commenting on that about liberties too.

You're a funny guy......not.

Hey---do not twist my words----I mentioned 10 persons that overall relentlessly slag off the PM. you have singled out i topic media restrictions.

An outstanding observation --you being a non lover of the Shins but am i right have you ever stated that the government are right to prosecute Yingluck and cabinet among others---have you applauded this----I think not---so much for your hatred of Thaksin and crimes.

search harder!! I do believe I've stated that she should be held accountable, and is guilty of negligence for failing to do her job in the rice scam.

The Government are pushing through cases against Yingluck faster than other outstanding cases, and with much more vigour too, if I didn't believe it was because they had an agenda, I'd applaud them.

oh dear , you really are a very sad and bitter and twisted old man, to have that much hate inside of you, you really should seek some therapy.

For starters having a hate and a dislike for someone in an internet forum, in a country where it makes not a blind bit of difference about that hate, is pointless. I can't stand the man, I can't stand Suthep, I can't stand the PM, not that I'm able to do anything with my dislike for them, like you, I'm a nobody and a nothing here, what's the actual point in having so much hate?

I used to think you had merit in some of your posts early on, but now you're constantly ranting and raving, even your style of writing has changed, your punctuation has changed, it's almost like it's two different people but with similar agendas, you don't even have a vote to make a change here, but you are behaving like you do.

My opinions mean nothing here, just like your observations because you're "smothering" Udon Thani, what kind of word is that to describe what you do? What was wrong with saying " I travel extensively around Udon Thani" ? but you use I "smother" have you any idea that smothering something has a negative connotation?

strangers stop you in the streets, and talk politics to you then do they? Yeah right sure they do, and Halle Berry makes my bed for me, and brings me cocoa and marshmallows too.

I do believe that there are two people using your account, the old ginjag had much better grammar and punctuation, and was less hostile and reasonably tolerant too.

just an outstanding observation

And yet there's posters here who state that no liberties have been encroached or abused.

You can be former members of the PDRC hold press conferences where there's more than 5 of you, and walk to embassies with a group of more than 5 with a political message, whilst wearing saffron robes, and it's kool for Katz ?

Yes, it's all about the reconciliation process that's yet to be started in earnest !!

Even the blind can see what's happening in this country, just many seem to choose to ignore it

Who said that no liberties have been encroached or abused ? I thought it was pretty obvious that was the case.

Of course former members of the PDRC are treated differently to those protesting about the Junta, that is just plain common sense. I seem to remember the redshirts being treated differently to the anti-government protesters when the Shins were in power. That is how it works in Thailand. I am surprised you guys still bring it up.

Reconciliation to some means the Shins and their military wing being forgiven for past sins. It may well never happen.

And I don't think there are too many who don't see what is going on in Thailand, but many have been here long enough to know that it is just part of a cycle, and soon enough the shoe will be on the other foot.

As you have said on many occasions, no matter what us farangs say here on the forum it will have no affect on what happens in the long run.

I won't name names, but trust me, they are around.

Reconciliation to me isn't about forgiveness for past transgressions it's about bringing the country together with one common goal, there's more chance of being able to sew a button on a fart than having a United Thailand;)

However if the powers that be see amnesties as being needed then that's just going to have to happen. The junta have themselves one for the past coup and future coups. That's wrong, very wrong, what kind of signal does that send out to the rest of the country?

You know as well as I do, as long as Thaksin and Suthep are both breathing, Thaksin will never be able to return as any sort of leader, it's like giving an arsonist a box of matches and a can of gas!!

These two are part of the problem, if both just fecked off, the Thais might actually have a chance of progress and reconcile, the problem is one is allegedly back by the masses and the other is backed by the ruling elite.

Yes Thaksin was part of the very same elite till he upset the apple cart and started making changes that the Jockeys didn't like.

Once that pair stop breathing and the dinosaurs along with them, then Thailand can move forwards. Probably to be replaced by younger versions, but that's for the Thais to sort out

Yep almost as bad as taking someone who's on the run to court, knowing full well they'll never appear

So where is the official Thai picture of them shaking hands, you know, the one that most PR teams would have, to capture such an occasion?

Or isn't there one, pretty much like the RTPs claim of having DNA and semen samples from the two accused in the Koh Tao murder case and that its more than likely neither really exist?

Today my village neighbour was clearly experiencing even more rising anger.

Asked about the coming troubles, he warned: "Those who question are enemies; Those who oppose will be corpses".

I didn't know to lived next door to General Udomjet, what's he like to go out on the piss with? I'm betting he's alright till he mixes his drinks , and then starts talking shit, and getting all confrontational

Today my village neighbour was clearly experiencing even more rising anger.

Asked about the coming troubles, he warned: "Those who question are enemies; Those who oppose will be corpses".

You live next to RTA barracks then?

Does he mean the long standing problem of the rich and powerful of all walks of life a abusing the law?

And yet there's posters here who state that no liberties have been encroached or abused.

You can be former members of the PDRC hold press conferences where there's more than 5 of you, and walk to embassies with a group of more than 5 with a political message, whilst wearing saffron robes, and it's kool for Katz ?

Yes, it's all about the reconciliation process that's yet to be started in earnest !!

Even the blind can see what's happening in this country, just many seem to choose to ignore it

Hmmmm and yet when Thaksin made a comment and personal opinion about a certain member of the privy council it was different?

At least it's now been laid to rest and that Thaksin doesn't want to be President as the courts have agreed otherwise

These defamation laws and the entire judicial system seem to be missing in terms of reforms, heaven forbid the ability to take action to knobble your political opponents !!

Serious reforms are needed to stop the rich and powerful from being above the law.

When poor people are pushed to the brink of economic hardship with no end in sight and seeing their votes violated by yet another coup and their elected members of the government unfairly muzzled and charged, anger is only natural. Now it seem that the educated middle class are beginning to be angry too with the state of the economy, suppression and more attempts to control their freedom of expression. Will this rising anger erupt into political violence? No, I doubt it. Thais know that the military is ruthless and will never back off. History tells it all.

Most likely they will wait and see this through and manifest their anger at the next election. History will repeat with another resounding beating of the rightist parties like the Dem Party.

But I do see some cracks in the military government and time will tell if there will be a change of PM. There always discontent in the military regarding promotions and factions. The performance of PM may also be a cause of change as he losing support from the people who back him to stage the coup.

Reality here in Thailand------People have always been on the brink of hardship.

Especially when the farmers did not get paid BEFORE the problems started---FACT.

Yingluck and here PTP party --quote "unfairly muzzled and charged-----UNFAIRLY after all they did illegally. ???

The middle class are not happy because the economy is a world wide problem---didn't you know, not just a Thai problem. OMG

Freedom of expression OMG, more freedom than when Thaksin controlled the media---Comparison.

And you people have this audacity to say I have an agenda-----there is only about 10 of you on TVF that repeatedly put this view YOU have just posted---

Suppose the vast majority of old regular posters must be wrong. If I was in a minority without too much to shout about --I would be shy.

Exaggerate much? Don't bother answering, there's a lot more than 10 people who comment about restrictions on media, have you bothered looking at the threads about the single gateway? A damn sight more than 10 posters commenting on that about liberties too.

You're a funny guy......not.

But both ex squaddies who can smell bullshit from miles off!!

Once again you're wrong, not once have I stated that the PTP should have stayed in power, all along I supported the only way they should have been removed was via elections, you amongst many other here kept making claims that the PTP were done, but the people were refused the chance to prove this beyond all doubt.

It's simple hearsay that the PTP were done, it's also simple hearsay to say they're not, the proof would have been to allow the people to prove this, but your army who colluded and conspired with Suthep since 2011 stopped this from happening.

Or have you forgotten that Suthep started that he and Prayuth had nee planning to overthrow the Shins?

And once again you're dismissing posters like Sgtsabai who has a very different experience than you do, if everything is so rosy up in the red headlands why is there a need for article 44, which was brought in to replace martial law?

Why are the junta themselves constantly stating that there's concerns about national security emanating from red shirt areas? And this was one of the reasons a promised election in 2016 was pushed back.

So either you're correct, and the junta are making this shit up for obvious reasons or... Well I guess you can figure that out for yourself.

The junta are contradicting your personal views, however they seem to be more in line with Sgtsabai's, and a couple of other posters.

Yes, I'm no lover of a military rule, and I don't believe Prayuth or much that comes from his mouth either, you keep making references to things being better, outside of Bangkok things were no different people got on with their lives, oblivious to what was going on in the capital city.

You keep dodging the question I have posed to all you sycophants, in that what was so horrendous about your daily personal life under the Shins, and all you said was they stole, what? They came into your home and stole your belongings? They stole your food and clothes, your family members?

Stealing from the nation had no impact on you whatsoever as you, it didn't leave you destitute and out of pocket, it didn't leave you homeless, you don't like the Shins, we get it, neither do most of the anti junta posters, but the likes of you keep making assumptions that anti junta= red shirt lover, and that's why you're derided as sycophants.

Thres very few anti junta members who would rather see a PTP government back in control, but what they don't want is a junta that lies daily and restricts the rights of THAI citizens whilst claiming they're aiming for democracy.

What most anti junta members want is for the army to stop interfering and for once let any form of democracy take its course and let the people decide the outcomes, you know, the same thing that happens pretty much across the globe, where there are NO DICTATORSHIPS.

I'm willing to bet that when you lived in the UK you were one who believed in casting a vote to remove the opposition, if they sucked, and yet here you decry this,and favour military rule. I'm also willing to bet you hated dictatorships like China, North Korea, most of the Middle East, and denounced them to your friends and colleagues criticising them and calling them disgusting and breaches of rights and blah blah blah, and yet here you are supporting one?? That is what truly amazes me.

You see, unlike you, I don't care who the Thais chose to be their PM, that's their choice to make, we farangs with whatever status just have to accept their choices, and get on with our lives. If they chose Prayuth, then fine, their choice, if they chose a Thakisn proxy fine, their choice.

Let's deal with the brainwashing, hmmm I think you on many occasions have used that term to describe anti junta posters, who most can see through their bullshit, and who most know exactly why they simply have to be in control of the country, a fact you never ever seem to acknowledge, probably out of fear.. Brainwashed ?

To be brainwashed you have to be subjected to something that alters your way of thinking, I don't watch political programs, I don't read political news papers, as right now, the flow of information is coming from one direction and source only. I get a lot of my information from chatting to various posters via other means. I read the banned stuff when outside of the country,

I don't care for the red shirts not their philosophy and how they ran the country. But my life was no different the Under the Shins, than it is now, well apart from the fact I have to register my phone and I will have all my personal emails filtered and read by the junta, and have restricted access to domains.

You seem to dismiss these attitude adjustment camps as something that is normal, no they're not. They're part of the problem, what was it you said about brainwashing again?

These camps/sessions are nothing more than tools to curb political opinions.

You crack on with your views and opinions,you're entitled to them, just like I am entitled to mine, as that's all mine are, opinions from a nobody living in a country that appears to be going nowhere and the control imposed over its people getting tighter.

I don't agree with any political faction in this country, and I don't agree with how the junta are tightening their grip on the people they claim to have their beats interests in.

As for the PM, he's a jackass, lacks people skills, lacks humility, lacks all of the things a great leader does, and if you've really been following my posts which is a bit spooky, then you will also know exactly why I don't regards Prayuth as a man of the people.

I believed in the beginning he spoke from the heart, and seemed to have a plan, now he's lost his way, he's going around like a power hungry punch drunk maniac.

I've yet to see anyone that was anti junta now do a 180, and be fully supportive of them, but I've seen plenty of TVF Pro Junta now begin to change their views about the junta, and especially Prayuth.

I admire your tenacity and unwavering views of Prayuth, I, along with many others just don't share them.

I would love nothing more than for you to be 100% correct about there being no problems at all in the North East, and that the people there accepted the junta and cast off the PTP shadow, but I think deep down you know that's just apathy and going with the flow right now.

So bottom line, either you're spot on, and the junta are lying, or you're wrong, and the junta and other posters here are correct. Only time will tell

Ginjag, you have the biggest fattest agenda of anyone who posts on this forum!

You -Fat haggis - are telling me This

I cover all subjects on TVF unlike some of you who select posters and oppose their view--and select government near only subjects,and slag the PM off.

I have just slagged off the PM if this Submarine purchase goes ahead, and other government decisions. ALL these are overlooked, because it is not in your interest.

I do notice MOST of your posts are answering posters with nasty comments about their view PLUS any government matters that can be twisted.

Rarely do you post on subjects offering normal comments, seemingly only the ones like this topic. a topic given for you people to get your teeth into.

I gave a pretty normal view of the everyday lives and attitude of N/E people---no anger shown with most persons-----ywho you posters here are wishing for problems to back up your rants.

in other words you're a stalker? I've told you what my beef is, the junta, it's well known.

I post in many many other topics too, I'm quite prominent in the Koh Tao threads.

You people? aye, you old aged Nakhon nowhere sycophants do fit into the "you people" very well.

You're not short of a few nasty comments yourself, must be from all the bitter lemons you eat in the mornings instead of a good Colombian coffee

No you didn't give a pretty normal view, you gave YOUR view, and other posters such as SgtSabai offered a very different view, and you basically called him and other liars who haven't seen what you have seen/heard..

if the cap fits

simple question, where is the official Thai photograph that most PR people take on such occasions?

I guess I can't help myself, so I must reply to Fat H. I agree with many of your posts and I assure you I am not bitter nor do I sit around drinking all day. I am older and I guess a Senior citizen who has lived in Thailand a long time and been though a variety of coups and promises by both elected and non elected governments, always to be let down. Your are right, as a foreigner, my life has not changed considerably no matter who is in power be it a Shin, a General, or an academic.

I do not criticize the younger generation . I was once one of them and wish I still was. I admire their tenacity, their desire for change and also their ability to argue a point. They are the ones who will be a change agent if there ever is one. What I never appreciate is when someone challenges my opinion and uses personal attacks to do so. While there are too many older people dismissing one's opinion because they are younger the reverse is also true.I am not referring to the poster but making a general statement.

My frustration on this subject comes with having lived through the various coups and seeing no positive change for the people. It always seems to end the same. I am trying to maintain some hope that this time is different- that the General really wants to make this place work and really can make it happen. Some people don't want to give him more time, which I understand. Of course, he could always say like one poster said- I quit- have the election and may the best person win. The problem is that the person who wins is normally those that have the deepest pockets. If he really is one who wants to see a real change- his duty is to follow through to the end. Time will tell.

It's not a case of can't help yourself it's a case of something you believe in, nothing wrong with that. I don't beleieve that many TVF members are the bar stool types, me, I don't really drink at all, I'm away overseas for 8 weeks at a time dry, so when I come home, 2-3 beers in 4 weeks is my limit now.

I too thought that Prayuth intentions were good, but over time it's been fiasco over fiasco over fiasco, his comments and criticism of the press have got worse, he has lacked a good PR team since day one.

Remember the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I personally said after he took over, that he should be granted a full 4 year term to implement reforms and that's pretty much what will happen, but 18 months have gone already and not one major reform, has taken place. Tick tock tick tock... Time is no longer on his side.

This is why Suthep and the mental monk are now getting more vocal they want reforms before elections, they too know time is of the essence, we farangs all know that everything right now is about timing, but not for reforms. But what the future holds. And it's the holders of the keys to the big chair that can and will determine the future.

Do you keep giving a used care salesman time to sell a car, or do to bring in someone else who has the gift of the gab, is energetic and dynamic and could sell you the moon, not merely promise it?

To be quite honest I give up - Too much bitterness and negativity for me. Good day and Good luck.

That's a shame as you have posted some good views, I just don't agree with your anology about being "invited to dinner and complaining about the food"

As for negativity, I've not seen one anti junta poster here state that they've had enough and are leaving their lives here.

I've also yet to hear any pro junta people state how their own personal lives was so horrendous under the Shins that they upped and left.

As far as I'm aware not one single anti junta poster has stated that their lives under the junta have been made any more horrific than it was under the shins, or the democrats/junta either.

I'm also starting to understand that the majority of pro junta posters are probably senior citizens ( over 60) with 15-30 years experience of living here. and that the anti junta posters are probably under the age of 60, and who have not spent any more than 10 years here. A lot of this pro junta kool aid drinking comes from apathy.

The pro junta group always seem to be critical of the younger generations, the students of today forgetting that one day, one of thee students will be running this country.

They've had their day, it's all about the next generation. And what's more important it's all about the next generation of Thais, not the bitter and twisted farangs who have gone with the flow through countless coups, making claims "but this one is different" no it isn't it's not, it's all bout control.