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6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes exactly those trucks were there trying to cover up the shafts to reinforce them

I had wondered what the white stuff in the trucks was. Concrete for the shaft caps!.

44 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I found this extremely interesting, 15 years in the planning with many actual simulations with mock ups of Fordor and a refinement right at the very end to allow for a new concrete capping that Iran had placed. Everything went according to plan and the pilots reported seeing flashes so bright they lit up the sky.

 

Pentagon Reveals Bunker-Busting Bomb Used on Iran's Nuclear Facility

 

Amazing! So the trucks were bringing in hard concrete to cover the shafts.

Here is the full MOP presentation staring at 6.00m with more project background. In the design stage it employed so many PhDs that the MOP project was the largest consumer of super computing resources in the US.  

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

You probably right about Alpha particles because they are relatively large and charged, causing them to interact strongly with matter and lose energy fast. Gamma radiation penetrates rock far better than alpha. Beta is between alpha and gamma in terms of rock penetration. 

You again ignore how much. Would 400kg of 60% U235 under 80+ meters of limestone be detectable outside, notwithstanding it's not a health hazard inside. My 30 meters or less than half way was based on calculation.  

But moving on, I would love to understand your concern about the well being of Iran's bomb plans.  Is it that you would like to see the worst ever sponsor of state terrorism get one soon? Or the opposite, you are concerned that they do and hope  they are stopped?. An interesting question for a poll. 

15 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

These are 60% enriched uranium which can emit alpha, beta and gamma radiation. Natural uranium are radioactive and require careful handling. Even buried under ground, it can still emit radiation. 

How much, the forgotten question.  Most of the radiation is alpha particles that barely penetrate anything.  So how much gamma ray radiation reaches the surface through 80 meters of limestone? Even ignoring shielding already used in the facility so that people work in safely. I wait your calculations. My guess is nothing detectable beyond 30m.

8 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

There were no reports indicating signs of off-site radiation or contamination in the wake of US bombings on the 3 nuclear sites. Does indicate that there were no uranium there. As for the destroyed centrifuges, Iran has demonstrated that they can build new sites with centrifuges within few months though more complex facilities might take longer. Iran has to be internationally monitored. The JCPOA between Iran and other world powers has to be brought back to prevent Iran development of nuclear weapons. It was a mistake that TRump withdraw from this agreement. 

Doesn't indicate much. Uranium is not very radioactive, otherwise it would not survive billions of years since it was created in some far away neutron star collision. I used to have a quarter pound on my desk for years. Bury some uranium under a mountain and see what you get.

Significant uranium contamination above ground would only confirm total obliteration.

"... severe, wide-ranging, and deep damage, setting it back by years."

 rough translation, you would probably need to scrape the former centrifuges off the walls.

33 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

With references to a damage assessment.

Here's an assessment. Not a news story about a leak about a classified assessment that no one has seen because it is still classified. Also see www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-858987

16 minutes ago, DezLez said:

Of course they will say that so they don't get bombed again any time soon!!

If they said "you missed all is well" they would be bombed to oblivion!

I've worked with Iranians for many years at fairly high levels. Their lies will never be so simple. They are masters at the art.

Here is more on the Foreign minister's comments. Long, click to read in full. 

3 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

 (As posted above) A senior Iranian source told Reuters on Sunday most of the near weapons-grade 60% highly enriched uranium had been moved to an undisclosed location before the U.S. attack.

 

I don't know. Ask him.

Without enrichment facilities, 60% Uranium is useless. You can't make it explode and it has absolutely no peaceful applications. Not even a paperweight, it's lighter than natural Uranium.

51 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

They show up in clear daylight ! You really think these guy's never heard of satellites? 

It's easier to track them at night. Military satellites can detect truck heat signatures even the heat from your tires.  Satellite radar is very good for moving objects. Did the driver turn off his radio and hand phone? That to. Did he call anyone for instructions?  I would assume they know where the enriched uranium is. Not to mention the Mossad driver.

10 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

I haven't read all 14 pages, but did the Pentagon ever release the flight details, like which countries the B2s flew over? Or did it take 36 hours because they didn't overfly any other countries before attacking?

I haven't seen a 14 page report. The eastward attack force flight path is shown on the poster in the link. The diversionary flight over the pacific would take ~36 hours because they circumvented the globe. There not many countries to fly over in the pacific.

Not in the Pentagon brief.  The whole world including OSINT, watched six B-2 bombers take off from Missouri and lumber across the Pacific, past Hawaii, past Guam towards a rumored attack on Iran. Bombs so heavy they had to refuel right after takeoff. All fake.

11 hours ago, jts-khorat said:

This is, if more than one bomb can be put exactly in the hole the first bomb opened.

 

More critical: the bomb needs to actually work as advertised. It would not be the first time, that an aggressive regime like the US believed in their own propaganda a bit too much.

Yes, they can put more than one bomb in one hole. It's an old trick, they do it with smaller weapons to penetrate steel reinforced concrete aircraft shelters.

As for working, swarms of US fighters are violating all of Iran's airspace night and day, even though Iran has been designing missiles for decades and have top Russian anti aircraft technology. That should tell you how well US designed technology works.  Not to mention that Russia has lost much of its weapons export market after their poor performance in the Ukraine war.

But there is an easier option to bunker busters, change the regime. That's what the majority of Iranian's want.

Massive flotilla of 21 in air refueling tankers leaving the US heading over the Atlantic.  Another US aircraft carrier is now rounding Singapore on its way to CENTCOM aka Middle East.  Looks like regime change may be on the menu.  That could end Russia's 50 year strategic ME presence. More news, reports suggest Tehran's Chief of Police Ahmadreza Radan has been assassinated. He is responsible for crushing Iranian uprisings and carrying out massacres. [REF]

Why N war talk is just more Putin propaganda.

Israel waltzes into downtown Tehran in central Iran right past Russian enhanced air defenses, in broad daylight, six times. How? With 100s of Western high tech aircraft  and systems.

But the disparity between Russian and Western high tech strategic arms systems could well be more. Russia has always lacked the West's high tech prowess and more so, the super tech required to ensure aging nukes work correctly.  Radiation rapidly ages materials.

Putin's bluster and weapons claims are more superficial deterrence. Putin knows where he stands, unless the generals are lying to him again.  Either way, Putin won't start an N war. Even if he tried his generals wouldn't go along and may even revolt. The military is not happy about losing 30 years of equipment, a million soldiers, face, and looking foolish.  No N war.

2 hours ago, impulse said:

To the folks celebrating the attack on the Russkie bombers, it's not going so well for the people of Kiev last night,..

 

Depending one whose (very early) reports you read, it's either a major or a minor attack.

 

 

Personally, I think it's tragic and wrong.  But very predictable.  That's what happens when you poke the bear.

 

Russia launches missile, drone attack on Kyiv days after Ukraine’s audacious strike on bomber fleet | CNN

 

It's long past time to concede the facts and out an end to it.  The only way Russia loses this is NATO boots in Ukraine and the risk of WW3 and nuclear annihilation.  Anyone postulating dreaming otherwise is fooling themselves.

 

Twisted  logic. 

In truth, this is the massive attack (probably against civilians) that Russia planned and had already loaded its long range bombers for, which Ukraine legally and humanely stopped. Kremlin propaganda that it's Ukraine's fault we continue bombing and killing Ukraine civilians is tiring. 

NATO is a defense organization, principally established to stop Russian aggression. The only threat NATO poses to Russia is to stop it to from attacking its neighbors, which it has been doing forever. 

Speaking of classic Russian disinformation. 

Russia tried to claim Ukraine's attack on their friendly nuclear long range bombers was terrorism because they were just sitting around being nice. In truth, many large bombers were blown to smithereens by tiny drones because they were fueled with heavy weapons ready to unleash an unprecedented attack on Ukraine prior to the Turkey negotiations. Quintessential Russian multilayered lie. 

Triple icing on the cake, Russia then blamed Ukraine for timing the attack to influence the Turkey negotiations.

A tiny drone could not do this without help.

Zelenskyy, commenting on Russia's Turkey delegation's attitude, said a couple more events may nice them up.  A couple? What's next?