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There is no collective wisdom on ThaiVisa.
Despite all the evidence to the contrary you choose to believe that Suthep didn't utter the words we all know he did because it doesn't fit in with your prejudiced views.
Things are looking quite dire for the leader of the Thai Taliban when even the Nation has removed the blindfold and prints the truth.
For the wilfully ignorant followers of Suthep in this forum - the future looks bleak.
Welcome to ThaiVisa. It's always good to see new (paid) red shirt lackeys posting the latest state propaganda viewpoint.
Suthep never said it.
Only the Red-press said that Suthep said it.
Multiple sources have reported on Sutheps slip of the tongue.
Only wilful ignorance can allow anyone to believe he "never said it"
The leader of the Thai Taliban has revealed his true intentions and it will be his final undoing.
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I'm certainly against the Shin conspiracy, and if the PDRC can chuck them out, then good. But if (big IF) Suthep really said those things, in the context that has been reported, then he is a megalomaniac that should not be allowed to continue.
I suspect that AV knows this, and is biding his time. I suspect AV is watching and learning, and hopefully will reform the entire system and stamp out corruption.
AV wears a skirt and does what he's told.
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Suthep have millions of supporters who want him to be PM. Isn't that mandate enough to rule the country? Many people will come out to donate and protect him if Yingluck try to arrest him. Also, Thai court have no right what so ever to summon him at all, because he protest peacefully and without weapon.
If he has millions of supporters then surely he can win an election, no?
Well they got 11.5 votes while they were at their weakest in 2011 during an election where they were not allowed to campaign for 80% of the votes due to campaign intimidation from the red shirts hired by Thaksin. Also the vast amount of voters intimidated by red thugs and village chiefs forcing them to vote PTP against threat of violence and harm...
In the past 3 years, they would have picked up even more due to the ineptitude of the PTP government and the shambles they have made of ALL their populist policies.
So yes..... The Dems can get many votes.
In fact, in a FREE and FAIR election, they would almost certainly take PTP to the cleaners.
But getting FREE and FAIR elections is impossible while Thaksin wields influence in Thailand and holds the north in his tyrannical grip through fear.
Have the UN come in as observers , ensure that no intimidation from villages heads, red shirts etc , just one whisper of intimidation and the UN tells the world about Thailand and its freely fought elections ,you make some very valid points, good to see.
Democrats would never agree to UN observers because they know the UN will see that the elections are free and fair and that the Democrats have been lying about the extent of vote buying and intimidation by Thaksin - and they would tell the world exactly that.
The last thing the Democrats want is irrefutable proof that they are in fact nothing more than sore losers.
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Suthep have millions of supporters who want him to be PM. Isn't that mandate enough to rule the country? Many people will come out to donate and protect him if Yingluck try to arrest him. Also, Thai court have no right what so ever to summon him at all, because he protest peacefully and without weapon.
If he has millions of supporters then surely he can win an election, no?
Well they got 11.5 votes while they were at their weakest in 2011 during an election where they were not allowed to campaign for 80% of the votes due to campaign intimidation from the red shirts hired by Thaksin. Also the vast amount of voters intimidated by red thugs and village chiefs forcing them to vote PTP against threat of violence and harm...
In the past 3 years, they would have picked up even more due to the ineptitude of the PTP government and the shambles they have made of ALL their populist policies.
So yes..... The Dems can get many votes.
In fact, in a FREE and FAIR election, they would almost certainly take PTP to the cleaners.
But getting FREE and FAIR elections is impossible while Thaksin wields influence in Thailand and holds the north in his tyrannical grip through fear.
The Democrats were at their weakest when Thaksin was at his strongest - the 2005 election
Thaksin got 14,077,711 votes or 56.4%
Democrats got 4,018,286 or 16.1%
It was this astounding differential that caused the beginning of all the coup nonsense, the establishment realised that they would never win an election against the extremely popular Thaksin Shinawatra and so opted to step away from democracy.
Thaksins vote in 2011 was over 1,500,000 higher than 2005 so it could be argued that the coup that bought Abhisit to power actually increased Thaksins popularity.
Maybe in the next election, given the near universal hatred of Suthep, Thaksin may actually break 20,000,000 votes and the Democrats may plunge well below their previous nadir of barely 4,000,000.
No wonder the Democrats boycott elections a lot
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Suthep have millions of supporters who want him to be PM. Isn't that mandate enough to rule the country? Many people will come out to donate and protect him if Yingluck try to arrest him. Also, Thai court have no right what so ever to summon him at all, because he protest peacefully and without weapon.
It would be mandate enough if his millions of supporters exceeded the multi millions of supporters Thaksin has.
As it is they don't - so no mandate for the turkey.
The multi-millions claims by Thaksin are BOUGHT vote.
If the election is free and fair, Suthep will win hands down.
Lets get real,
If enough votes to alter an election could be bought, the Singha family and the CP family would have handed over the cash to Abhisit and not bothered with funding Suthep.
Thai elections are free and fair and the Thai people repeatedly elect the government of their choosing uncoerced.
There is no cheating or conspiracies, the Democrats are just unpopular.
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Nobody can say, like Suthep did last Saturday, that "I have the sovereign power now, so I can install anybody to be the prime minister."I'm a firm believer in the collective wisdom of Thaivisa, so despite having read otherwise in Khao Sod, the BKK Post and according to translations given by the Nation staff on Twitter, I still believe that Suthep didn't claim anything like sovereign power for himself or the PDRC. Sadly, I can only presume that this writer is just yet another credulous victim of the red propaganda served up by the above publications.
In fact I was so disappointed after having read this - thinking of all the lies out there and how people believe them - I had to go over to the website goodreads.com and look for inspiring quotes about truth to make myself feel better about the world. Here's one by someone called Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj who I confess I'd never heard of before about five minutes ago. This quote is quite correctly tagged with the words "inspirational" and "spiritual" and those two adjectives certainly describe something of the feeling that one has after reading the quote and trying to absorb such a profound and hopeful message all in one go.
“It is always the false that makes you suffer, the false desires and fears, the false values and ideas, the false relationships between people. Abandon the false and you are free of pain; truth makes happy, truth liberates.”
There you have it. So in light of that, I believe those of us who stand for happiness and liberation must act to rectify this travesty of an article. I think we should send a group letter to The Nation, letting them know they've been lied to and that Suthep in fact said nothing of the sort about assuming sovereignty and using that same sovereignty to legitimize the unilateral selection of a ''neutral PM'' and a ''People's Council''. All complete claptrap and hokum. Nothing, in fact, could be further from Suthep's mind. I actually feel sorry for those taken in by Khao Sod. But also better about myself for having reiterated the truth here.
Anyway, if anyone does write such a letter, feel free to put my name "Emptyset" as one of the signatorys to it. In the meantime, I shall be bathing in the wisdom of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj.
There is no collective wisdom on ThaiVisa.
Despite all the evidence to the contrary you choose to believe that Suthep didn't utter the words we all know he did because it doesn't fit in with your prejudiced views.
Things are looking quite dire for the leader of the Thai Taliban when even the Nation has removed the blindfold and prints the truth.
For the wilfully ignorant followers of Suthep in this forum - the future looks bleak.
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Suthep have millions of supporters who want him to be PM. Isn't that mandate enough to rule the country? Many people will come out to donate and protect him if Yingluck try to arrest him. Also, Thai court have no right what so ever to summon him at all, because he protest peacefully and without weapon.
It would be mandate enough if his millions of supporters exceeded the multi millions of supporters Thaksin has.
As it is they don't - so no mandate for the turkey.
Suthep displays ideas of supreme sovereignty
in Thailand News
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The red shirts demands were for immediate elections - not a coup!
Abhisit came to power on the back of unjust judicial verdicts that resulted in PPP being disbanded and it's MP's barred.
The proper thing for Abhisits government to do in such a situation is to dissolve parliament and call elections returning power back to the people to decide who shall lead them.
A perfect example of the right way to lead a nation is to look at Yinglucks response to the street protests against the amnesty bill.
She immediately dissolved parliament so that the peoples voice could be heard in a general election.
Only one side in this fracas truly respects the citizens who are the ultimate owners of this nation and it aint the Democrats.