dclaryjr

The only real Doners you find in Berlin, Germany. The Doner capital of the world.

YES!!!! I lived there for six years and nothing quite like stumbling to an imbiss for a doner after some serious beer consumption!!!

Update on 6th September:

Total weight loss over 2 months = 5.5 kg

Congrats, Simon--that's great! Keep it up!

In addition, modify your diet by cutting out fatty junk foods. Eating fatty foods once in a while isn't going to make a big difference. The biggest problem is when a person's diet consists of lots of fatty foods on a regular basis and in larger quantities.

I'd change that to "cutting out sugary junk foods." You can eat fatty foods everyday and still lose weight (and be very healthy). You do, however, have to watch portion size if you're trying to lose weight.

I am concerned about the talk of jogging in this thread.

I think most here are no longer spring chickens and taking up jogging in later years presents a high risk of damaging your knees.

Yep, no need for it. Brisk walking will work just fine.

I've paid for three rather elaborate funerals in my wife's village--once for her father, once for her mother, and once for her mother and father (moved the ashes to a new location). You can bet there's gonna be a heII of a party when I go including the all night stage play! They're gonna remember this farang!

I tried it but I had something strange happen. There is a satellite TV discussion forum I frequent and they have some heading like the one here on TV (My Controls, View New Posts, etc). I always click on one that says 'Quick Links'. It's there if I open it in Firefox, but not in Chrome. I also wouldn't want to go without my Scrapbook extension. But it's an early beta--could turn out great!

4 - Xenical (Orlistat) works by decreasing the absorption of fat from the intestine. Since its action is b asically local rather than systemic it's safety margin is good; under another name has been approved for over the counter sale in the US.

That would be Alli, winner of the Bitter Pill award. Here's my favorite part of the write up:

Side Effects: Alli has a number of unpleasant and disgusting side effects associated with it, including diarrhea, oily spotting, oily stools, flatulence with discharge, and fecal urgency. The marketing book tie-in, Are you Losing It? “advises alli users to wear dark clothing and keep a change of clothes handy until they know how the drug will affect them.”

You can read the whole article here

Hey Guys,

Thanx a lot fot the info....

Still cannot decide.....

As i have only weekends for exercise, but i can diet the whole week.

Then that works out well because weight loss probably 80% diet!!

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I made the mistake once (only once) while in a drunken state at a bar full of Euros that soccer would only be interesting if they got rid of the goalies. Seriously, I nearly got a beating from the group, I raised quite the roucus.

You don't have to get that drastic--just get rid of the offsides rule!

I watched "Starman" today--one of my favorites. Jeff Bridges is great in it!

I took my grandson to see Hancock--enjoyed it!

I was watching a promo on the Travel Channel last night where Samantha Brown kept saying she was going to "shag" that evening. That one might play a little different on the other side of the pond!

One other thing that's not a "saying" but a difference I notice between U.S. and U.K. versions of (supposedly) the same language and it's the notion of a "collective" noun taking a singular verb. I would say "the Motorola team is riding hard" but Phil Ligget says "are riding hard."

I thought one of the main purposes of stretching BEFORE exercise was to "warm" up your body, and help prevent strain injuries during more intensive exercise routines. I suppose stretching before AND after would be ideal?

A lot of "experts" now recommend doing "dynamic" stretching before, and "static" stretching afterwards. You can find a good program of dynamic stretches at ronjones.org.

We aren't monkeys and we're not all female. Are there no studies around that use a decent cross section of HUMANS -- varying ages, lifestyles, etc.? I'm a bit confused as to why you would offer this as evidence (with no humans involved) when according to you "There are lots of sources [/size]out there that put this in the urban legend category". Why choose one that uses monkeys instead of people?

The largest meal in the morning with smaller meals to follow thoughout the day works for me and makes sense. But I'm quite open alternative views -- just give me some studies to consider that involve HUMANS.

It was one of the first that popped up in a Google search. Go here and follow the several links and you'll find more based on human studies. You will also find some backing for the notion that eating breakfast is a good idea. I'm fine with that--my earlier reaction was more against the choice of words indicating it was "essential." Regardless of WHEN you eat, you must exercise some discipline and eat the right things.

I've been researching the topic of nutrition rather extensively over the last year. One thing that stands out is that once something reaches the point of becoming "conventional wisdom", it's hard for a lot of people to even admit to the possibility it's wrong, or at least that there is a feasible alternative.

BTW, the bulk of my intake does come before 2pm--I don't typically eat a very large evening meal. Works for me. But I know of at least a couple people that condense all their eating in a six-eight hour window and do well.

We're each an experiment of one!

I've always heard the following expression in regard to proper eating habits:

"Breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince, and dinner like a pauper."

Of course it means that your biggest meal of the day should be breakfast, lunch the second largest, and dinner the smallest.

This makes perfect sense as eating our largest meal of the day in the morning gives us the rest of the day to work it off. Unfortunately, many of us do it opposite to this and consume our largest meal in the evening when we are least active -- sitting around watching TV or something equally non-active.

Lots of sources out there that put this in the urban legend category. Here's one:

Study

The notion that you can "work off" your food intake is greatly exaggerated.

I'm a dedicated "dew sweeper"--I was part of a foursome that had the first tee-time every Sunday morning for about four years. Two of them have moved and one died, but I still get up and tee-off a day break. I might play a twilight round once in while with my son or grandson, but I prefer getting out early.

I think the U.S. has shown some signs of true "team play" which is something that has been absent in their international play. But in the game they just played against Australia, they didn't show that. What they did show is that they can play defense when they turn it up. The bottom line--I think they're going to do it this time--but I still ain't betting the house on it!

I took a language aptitude test when I joined the military and scored near the bottom. I spent six years in Berlin and the best I could do was order beer (up to 100) and ask where the toilet was. I got the Rosetta Stone Thai software and got through the first lesson fairly well but it was hopeless after that. Rude? I don't think so. On the other hand, I think I've done a great job of teaching my wife English!

Ah well, I will cotinue to eat my breakfast

Me too. Enjoy!

Nice avatar

If you're talking about mine--I only wish my swing looked that smooth.

If not, nevermind!

I'm sorry but nothing you posted supports saying breakfast is "essential" for losing weight. All those studies did was show that in their control groups, the people who didn't eat breakfast made some bad choices. That's not the same thing. I can show you studies of people who consolidated all their eating into 6-8 hours windows, and lost weight while improving blood chemistry. You really should google "intermittent fasting" and read up on it.

Oh, and the body burns glycogen before it turns to fat.

No kidding. The body goes through that rather quickly and we're discussing people who haven't eaten. You can only store so much before insulin kicks in and stores excess carbs in fat cells. But when you fast, especially if you combine that with low-carb eating, then you burn fat for fuel. Mark Sisson (MDA) sums it nicely:

"If you’ve forgotten everything you ever learned in biology, just remember this and “own” it: Carbohydrate drives insulin drives fat (Cahill 1965, and Taubes 2007). The idea in the PB is to limit your carbs to only those you need to provide glucose for the brain and for some reasonable amount (certainly less than an hour) of occasional anaerobic exercise. And the truth is, you don’t even need glucose to fuel the brain. Ketones from a very-low carb diet work extremely efficiently at that task. Either way, ideally, we would like most of our daily energy to come from dietary or stored fats. Typically, (if you are at an ideal body composition now) I use a rule of thumb that 100-150 grams of carbohydrate per day is plenty to keep you out of ketosis (and ketosis is NOT a bad thing) but away from storing the excess as fat if you are the least bit active. Don’t forget that your body can make up to 200 grams of glycogen from fats and protein every day, too. On the other hand, if you are looking to lose body fat, keeping carbs to under 80 grams per day will help immensely in lowering insulin and taking fat out of storage. On the other other hand, if you are insistent on training hard for long periods of time, you would add more carbs (say, 100 per day extra for every extra hour you train hard). It becomes a matter of doing the math and experimenting with the results."

Nothing new there, and it makes sense: after not having eaten for 8-10 hours, your body runs on empty and desperately needs food.

Not true...the body can run on stored body fat for some time. I am nowhere near "desperate" after fasting for 10 hours. I routinely go at least 12-14 hours between my last evening meal and breakfast.

You could probably go without food for 3 weeks, but that was not my point. For weight-loss reasons, a good breakfast is essential, there are a number of studies that have confirmed that. Among other things, regular meals avoid the craving for (unhealthy) snacks and way-too-large meals in one sitting. I also like to compare the body to a car: sure you can drive until the tank is empty, but is it good for the car???

Finally, I have to disappoint you: fat is the last thing the body attacks when out of food, it will go for easier-to-mobilize energy first.

First, I was just contesting your phrasing of "desparately needing food" after 8-10 hours. That's just not true.

Also, please point me to any study that confirmes that breakfast is "essential" for weight loss. I think you'll have a very hard time doing that. You might find some that find correlation between people who ate a good breakfast and lost weight, but that won't show that breakfast is essential.

And what "easier-to-mobilize" energy are you referring to?

I'm back! I entered your breakfast into the software I use. I had to make some assumptions about the size of the portions but it should be pretty close. Here's your breakdown:

Total Calories: 1060

Grams Calories Percent

Fat: 22 197 19%

Sat: 6 54 5%

Poly: 4 38 4%

Mono: 8 76 7%

Carbs: 183 682 65%

Protein: 44 176 17%

Alcohol: 0 0 0%

That's a whopping figure for carbs for breakfast and, imho, that will make it harder for you to burn fat. I eat a total of 60-80 carbs a DAY, and you have 183 for one meal! Try cutting back on the carbs and see if that doesn't make a difference.

ok - I just got back from a 40km bike ride, including some long (and painful) hills! But I feel ok after doing this.

Simon

What I found worked much better for me was to do a couple sessions a week of short duration, high intensity work (intervals on a bike or rower), and lots of low intensity work (walking, EASY riding). If you do a lot of long, hard work (like cycling 40km with hills), it will tend to stimulate a craving for carbs to resupply the muscle glycogen you burn up in that type of exercise. Doing a lot of easier exercise tends to be more fat-fueled.

I would echo Hanno's advice to chart what you are eating to get a true picture of what your intake is. Snacking on nuts is a healthy option but they are calorie dense and it's easy to over do it if you're not careful.

I written some instructions to notify a couple of forums of my demise...they sit in a firebox with the insurance policies.

My kids were 8 and 6 when I brought them to the U.S. and I really regret that we didn't work on their Thai as youngsters. The older boy (now 41) can understand quite a bit, especially after going back for a visit to the village and being immersed in the language for a few weeks.