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1 hour ago, MaiDong said:

 

Is this a mew requirement? I obtained my last Multiple Entry Non Imm O Visa at the Thai Consulate in Savannahket last July, it wasn't required then.

Yes, plenty of topics covered the change.

Only the single entry Non Imm O available now without proof of funds.

41 minutes ago, MaiDong said:

 

Sorry, my mistake, I meant a Multiple Entry Non Imm O Visa, not a METV.

If you mean from the Thai Consulate in Savannahket, then yes, 400K required in a Thai bank account.

It's not clear from your post whether your husband is still gainfully employed, or he ceased his employment.

I also suspect his Non B visa is no longer valid, and he has been extending his stay annually at an Immigration office based on employment.

If you have an extension of your permission to stay, based on working, that was issued at an immigration office inside Thailand, then the extension ceases to be valid the same day your employment ends. If you are still employed, but the work permit was erroneously not renewed on time, then this needs to be rectified as soon as possible. You should discuss this immediately with your employer. If your employment has ceased, the technically correct action is to take a letter from your employer stating your last date of employment to immigration, who will cancel your extension effective from that date. 

9 hours ago, MeePeeMai said:

 

My point was that if you rent a house or apt. from a Thai person (not your wife / not a usufruct / not your house or your wife's house etc.), pay the deposit / sign the lease / pay the 1st months rent and go to Immigration to do your address change notification, they will ask you for a TM30.

 

As a "tenant" in a rental (house/apt not belonging to you, your wife or your family member, not a usufruct etc.), one cannot get the TM30 done if the landlord does not comply and give you a signed copy of his/her Thai ID card, signed copy of his/her Tabian Ban, and sign the TM30 form (or do it online).

 

YES,  you can walk into your Immigration Office and hand carry the signed lease agreement, signed TM30 form, signed copy of your landlords ID card and signed copy of your landlord's Tabian Ban (with his/her phone number on it somewhere) but I don't call this doing the TM30 yourself.  I call this just delivering the paperwork from your landlord to your local IO.  

 

If your new landlord refuses to give you a signed copy of his/her ID card and/or a signed copy of his/her Tabian Ban and or refuses to sign the form or do the TM30 online then you cannot accomplish the TM30 without the items mentioned above.  You can go to immigration and cry and complain that your landlord won't do it but they will have no sympathy and will not look the other way and just plug one in for you in the system (nor will they accept a donation to help see it through).

 

This has been my experience in the last 7 years at 2 different Immigration office in two separate cities on numerous occasions and dealing with numerous different Immigration Officers in those offices.

Immigration are giving you BS.

As confirmed by others, you can complete the TM30 online or by hand, sign it, your name, as the tenant.
I've done this 3 times, once in person, twice online, no mention of the landlord/owner's name for the two online TM30's.

This is the email I received last time I registered to file a TM30.

How many Thais do you know called 'Alan'.

If the landlord won't comply by providing copies of his TB and ID card, then move house.
Inform Immigration, if they state it's a Thais responsibility, then they can't fine you.
The one time I've known a landlord reluctant to comply, when advised, Immigration phoned the landlord, and he soon complied.

1 hour ago, MeePeeMai said:

simply does not translate into "the rules have officially changed and are now being enforced as such at all Immigration offices".

What rule changes?

The new TM30 regs only changed 'when' a TM30 should be filed, not by whom!

First registered and filed 11 years ago as the tenant/possessor.

1 hour ago, MeePeeMai said:

As a renter or tenant of a house, apt or hotel, (one which YOU or your wife do not own), one CANNOT do his own TM30.  Impossible to accomplish.  Signed copy of Tabian Ban and signed copy of ID card (of Tabian Ban / house or apt owner) must be submitted along with a signed (by same person) TM30 form.  This is common knowledge/rule among all Immigration offices.

 

If you are the owner of your own house or condo then yes of course, you can do your own TM30 because you are the owner and you have the Tabian Ban or yellow book or whatever.  If you are the owner then yes, it is your responsibility to complete a TM30 for foreign guests staying at your house/condo.

 

If you did your own TM30 as a House Master or Possessor or TENANT (of a RENTAL you stayed in) then please enlighten me on just how you accomplished this feat.

 

And just how would one do his own TM30 if staying at a hotel in which he is the occupier or possessor or TENANT of?  Impossible.

 

Thanks in advance for the info.

Firstly, in case of a guest house or hotel, it clearly is the responsibility of the 'manager' to file the TM30.

In a hotel, you're a guest, not a tenant, only renting a room, rather than the whole residence.

For a private residential address, it can be the owner, landlord, or the tenant as the possessor of the residence.

If the foreigner cannot register and submit the TM30;
1. Then why does the TM30 registration form have the option to register as the 'foreigner' or a 'Thai'?

2. Then why does the drop-down box have the option of registering as the tenant/possessor?

I've dealt with two different Immigration offices and had 3 different residences, always registering and filing as the foreigner.

1st residence, a rental - uploaded copy of passport data page, owners Tabien Baan and ID card.

2nd residence, a rental - uploaded copy of passport, copy of yellow house book and pink Thai ID card.

3rd residence, married wife's home - uploaded copy of passport, copy of yellow house book and pink Thai ID card.

1 minute ago, rwill said:

Otherwise you might be looking at leaving Thailand reentering visa exempt and then appling for a new non-O.  

 

If you are on overstay already that could complicate things depending on how long it has been.

Overstay since 27th May.

Depends on Immigration, after paying an overstay fine, will allow him to apply for a new 1-year extension, or insist he obtain a new Non O.
He'll have to exit and obtain that from a Thai Embassy/Consulate.
 

1 hour ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Your application for "STAYING LONGER THAN 90 DAYS" has been rejected.

 

Others (Please specify)Contact immigration to update the (TM30) accommodation notification to the current place. The last register of accommodation was at Bangkok Hospital Chiang Mai 88/8-9 Moo 6, Nong Pa Khrang Subdistrict Mueang Chiang Mai District, Chiang Mai Province.

 

Sort of silly that they would be required to file a TM30 for the hospital... downright silly that I have to refile a TM30 to return home from the hospital.

Sounds as though the hospital didn't advise of the expiry date of your stay, hence Immigration are confused.

According to the TM30 regulations.
2.2 After a householder, owner or possessor of dwelling place or hotel manager already made a notification according to 2.1, then the alien goes to occasionally stay somewhere else and return to stay at the original place within the notified period of stay that has not yet ended, such householder, owner or possessor of dwelling place or hotel manager is not required to make a notification again.

2 minutes ago, Presnock said:

Contact the embassy immediately so they have some time to work out to get you a new p/p b4 20 July.

Regardless of Immigration incorrectly date stamping his extension of stay beyond the expiry date of his passport, it's your responsibility to check the date stamps.

He's been on overstay since 27th May.

17 minutes ago, decline said:

Thanks very much, I have 400k in a bank so will do that

15 minutes ago, decline said:

Does this mean I never even had to leave the country? 

You could have applied for the Non O based on Thai spouse at Immigration, with proof for 400K THB in a Thai bank account in your sole name.

Procedure here:  VE-TV to Non O Spouse.pdf 

The 400K is only required to be in the bank on the date of submission.

You will be granted a stay of a further 90 days.

The 400K THB needs to be seasoned in the bank for 2 months for the 1-year extension of stay.

On 6/17/2024 at 3:14 PM, Tod Daniels said:

In theory you're supposed to file a TM30 (notification of foreigner in residence) form or online within 24 hours (actually I think the rule is 3 days though) but as long as you do it the first week you're back most offices won't fine you for not doing it on time. Keep in mind the max fine for late TM30 filing is 1600baht but most offices only charge people 800 (half the fine) if you file late
 

Not according to the new TM30 regulations.

TM30 Reporting Regulation.pdf 

3 hours ago, Maestro said:

 

Please see Section 84 of the Immigration Act.

 

 

It is the Settlement Committee, of which "the Commander of the Immigration
Division or representative" is a member, that has the power "to authorize the inquiry official or the competent official to carry out settlement on its behalf", ie issue a fine, in accordance with the "criteria for settlement or any conditions as deemed fit" prescribed by the Settlement Committee.

 

The English translation of Section 84 is a bit convoluted and you may want to take the Thai original of the Immigration Act and have a lawyer explain it to you.

It's the Immigration desk official classed as competent that issues and collects the fines, in essence.

They are also authorised to give receipts.

25 minutes ago, Upnotover said:

A lot of effort has gone into that, precisly for what purpose hard to imagine, why can't people just wait in case there ever is an real visa on offer.  I suppose there must be some money in all this nonsense, none of it will come from my pocket.

Nor mine!

For 9,500 baht over 5 years, I'm guaranteed to be able to stay for 365 days each and every one of those 5 years.

24 minutes ago, Maestro said:

 

You have quoted Section 76 of the Immigration Act correctly, but immigration officials are not authorised to issue penalties for contraventions of Section 37 under this section, only under Section 84.

I think you'll find all Immigration officials are authorised as 'representatives' of the Immigrations Divisional Commander to issue penalties.

4 hours ago, Maestro said:

The minimum fee for the failure to notify immigration of staying in Thailand longer than 90 days as required by Section 37(5) of the Immigration Act is not 2,000 Baht. This amount seems to be the fixed amount, not the minimum amount, an immigration official is allowed to fine under Section 84 of the Immigration Act. I say "seems to be" because I have been unable to find the document listing the "criteria for settlement or any conditions as deemed fit" mentioned in Section 84 or a link to it.

According to the Immigration Act, the penalty for non-compliance with section 37(5) is listed in section 76.

Section 76 : Any alien, alien, who fails to comply with the provisions of Section 37(2),(3),(4)or(5) shall be
punished with a fine not exceeding 5,000 Baht and with and additional fine not exceeding 200 Baht for
each day which passes until the law is complied with.

1 hour ago, Mike Teavee said:

As an aside, except for TE Visa Holders, I've never read of anybody extending a permission to stay on a Multi Re-entry visa while the Visa is still valid

Multi entry Non Imm O visa, grants a stay of 90 days on entry.
The permission of stay can be extended by 60 days to visit Thai spouse/family.

Border hop after 150 days for a new 90-day entry.

25 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

It is especially hard on the many migrant workers in the province  many of whom live on daily wages. They lose a days pay plus the 100 baht, every 90 days. 

They can get away with it as long as good folk do nothing about it.

Anti-corrupt commission, 1205.
Immigration advice line 1178.

24 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

You're right actually. His first entry was by air, 2nd one by land. Would he be likely to be allowed in again on a visa free 30 days land or air crossing?? That would be three (2 with 90 day extensions) back to back without any period of time in between

By the letter of law, he's entitled to one more VE entry by land, and unlimited entries by air.

3 hours ago, Tod Daniels said:

Well he can only get TWO free visa exempt entries by land in a calendar year (Jan 1 - Dec 31) So once he burns those he's gonna hafta fly in AND run the risk of them thinking he's living here milking free stamps and possibly get denied entry and shipped back out on his dime.

There is his problem. An Immigration official can deny entry if he feels you're spending too long in Thailand without the correct visa type.

4 hours ago, Tod Daniels said:

He needs to go talk to the immigration office where he lives AND he needs to have enough time left on his current stamp to apply for the visa for 2000baht, wait the review period (usually 2 weeks) then go back to get the 90 day Non-O visa inked in. Then he'd wait 2 months and apply for the year extension for 1900baht

That is the best advice.

On 6/11/2024 at 8:14 AM, paddlinsteve said:

I went to my local IO to get a certificate of residence. However, this was refused as, the agent explained, my visa allowed me to stay only 90 days at a time in Thailand.

Confused, did you attend in person or was it an agent.

Once you file a TM30 registering your residential address, there shouldn't be a problem requesting a certificate of residence as proof of your address.

I entered on a single entry Non O, filed a TM30 the following morning, then when they issued the receipt, I requested 3 certificates of residence, one to purchase a motorcycle, one to obtain a Thai driving licence and the third to open a bank account.

Your Non Imm O ME may only permit stays of 90 days (same as a Non Imm O SE) but it's valid for 1 year. 
You have Non Immigrant status and not a Tourist.

I'd be taking the issue up with the senior IO at Nonthaburi.

4 hours ago, Kenny202 said:

He must have come in on visa exempt and extended an extra 60 days? (total 90 days). He's done that twice back to back. How many time would he be allowed to do that? He reckons immigration told him he can do that 3 times before they will pull him up. I found that a bit hard to believe

Assuming he arrived by air for his first entry, and he's already done a border run for a second entry + 60 day extensions.

He's allowed to do one more land border crossing this year as @Tod Daniels stated + 60 day extension.

He can apply for the Non O at Immigration.
400K in a Thai bank account.

At least 15 days permission of stay remaining (dependent on Immigration office).

Procedure here: https://bangkok.immigration.go.th/wp-content/uploads/2022C1_07.pdf 

A visa exempt entry grants a stay of 30 days.

A Tourist visa obtained from a Thai Embassy/Consulate grants a stay of 60 days.

In either case, your Immigration status is Tourist.
You cannot extend a visa, you can extend your period of stay for 30 days as a Tourist.

To obtain a 1-year extension based on Thai child, you must have Non Immigrant status, so he needs to obtain a Non Imm O visa.

Where/who have the children been staying with when he wasn't in Thailand?
Was he married to the Mother of the children when they were born?
Where is the Mother now?

Are the children living with him now?

12 hours ago, expatsoon said:

Just to be clear, if I apply for the Non Imm O e-visa in Canada, they Thai Embassy in Canada will accept it because they can authenticate it, but how would it work once I try a one year extension when in Thailand when that is due, would Thai Immigration accept it since the Thai Embassy in Canada authenticated our marriage or would be still need to do what you said before and get it registered in Thailand?

For foreign documents to be accepted as 'genuine' in a foreign Country then they have to be authenticated, certified, translated and the translation authenticated and certified.
The process is known as 'legalising' a foreign document for use in another Country.

If you married in Canada, your wife's documents would have undergone a similar process in order to be accepted in Canada.

Guessing an affidavit, certification, translation etc, to present to the registry office in Canada.

Your Canadian marriage certificate is in English and will be accepted by the Thai Embassy in Canada.
At Thai Immigration many do not read and poorly speak English, they require a document in Thai from a local Amphoe as evidence you're legally married.
You cannot obtain that document from the Amphoe unless your foreign marriage is registered in Thailand.

To register your Canadian marriage, you have to go through the steps of 'legalising' your Canadian marriage certificate for it to be accepted as genuine, certified and translated to Thai.